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The Worst Fox News-Google Debate Moment: Audience Boos a Gay Soldier
The Atlantic ^ | September 23, 2011 | Garance Franke-Ruta

Posted on 09/23/2011 12:19:04 AM PDT by lbryce

The last three GOP presidential primary debates have been nearly as notable for the actions of audience-members as for the candidates who appeared before them.

In California at the MSNBC-Politico debate at the Reagan library, the audience applauded mention of the high number of executions in Texas and Rick Perry's defense of the death penalty. "If you come into our state and you kill one of our children, you kill a police officer, you're involved with another crime and you kill one of our citizens, you will face the ultimate justice in the state of Texas, and that is that you will be executed," the Texas governor said to hoots, whistles, and applause.

In Tampa, Fla., at the CNN-Tea Party Express debate, the audience cheered the idea of letting an uninsured 30-year-old man die (video) without care, greeting the idea with applause and shouts of "Yeah!"

And last night, at the Fox News-Google debate in Orlando, Fla., some audience-members booed a recently-out gay soldier stationed in Iraq who submitted a question through Google's YouTube video-sharing site. His offense? Asking the candidates if they would circumvent the progress made for gays and lesbians in the military.

Watch the interaction with Stephen Hill:

"Any type of sexual activity has no place in the military," former senator Rick Santorum told Hill, saying that the repeal of "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" ban on out service constituted "special privileges" and "social experimentation."

The audience response led former White House spokesman Ari Fleischer to tweet, "Booing a soldier serving our nation is uncalled for. If I were on stage, I would make that point."

But he wasn't on the stage, and none standing there spoke up on Hill's behalf.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: dadt; debates; doaskdotell; gay; gop; homonaziagenda; homonazisoldier; homopsychoagenda; homopsychosoldier; homosexualagenda; homosexualism; homotyranny; homotyrantsoldier; narcissism; republicanvalues; ricksantorum; santorum
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To: Darkwolf377

” What the heck is going on here? “

The people booing recognized the attack on our military and American Culture that the gay soldier represents and voiced their disgust.


101 posted on 09/23/2011 5:09:15 AM PDT by TalBlack ( Evil doesn't have a day job.)
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To: dagogo redux
The unbridled narcissism of gays is the reason people dislike them. It’s ALWAYS about them and their precious sexuality - world wide, 24/7/365.

This is exactly correct. I can't even talk about my faith in the public square but these people can wave their private parts in my face and I'm supposed to sit there and smile. Sorry.

102 posted on 09/23/2011 5:09:23 AM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (Barack suffers from ADD -- "Additional Deficit Disorder".)
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To: lbryce
"Any type of sexual activity has no place in the military," former senator Rick Santorum told Hill

Thousands of hookers and bargirls just had heart attacks.

103 posted on 09/23/2011 5:13:17 AM PDT by SoJoCo
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To: lbryce

He was booed for promoting the homosexual agenda. He should be thrown out of the army for homosexuality or at least tested for steroids. People are sick and tired of tolerance politics.

Santorum hit a home run on that question.

Pray for America


104 posted on 09/23/2011 5:14:44 AM PDT by bray (Palin is hated by the establishment of both Parties. Winner!)
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To: Darkwolf377

I have no respect for any sexual perverts, whether they are soldiers or congressmen or teachers or preachers. I refuse to apologize for rejecting the homosexual agenda - anywhere and everywhere.


105 posted on 09/23/2011 5:18:32 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: lbryce
In Tampa, Fla., at the CNN-Tea Party Express debate, the audience cheered the idea of letting an uninsured 30-year-old man die (video) without care, greeting the idea with applause and shouts of "Yeah!"

More accurately, they cheered Paul's answer, which by the way, was one of the more lucid things he has ever said.

106 posted on 09/23/2011 5:20:01 AM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Darkwolf377

Incorrect on many levels.

One they booing his homosexuality. Two they booed is defiant public defense of immorality. Three they booed his questionable commitment to duty, for by his appearance and question he brought shame upon all.

Despite the sick fads of current society much of morality is still an absolute. Homosexuality is wrong.

The audience would have likewise booed a UN Soldier defending sex with children that was done so that those children could get food.


107 posted on 09/23/2011 5:21:01 AM PDT by bvw
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To: Darkwolf377

The Atlantic article is pecifically about the effect a few boos out of an audience of hundreds, and the effect these few boos might have on the elections, and how bad the few boos make the republicans appear.

But careful examination of the questions reveal each and every one of the questions to be loaded, cleverly-framed gotcha questions that really had no place in the dabate. And it just seemed to me that the boo-bids (probably younger, activist types) were reacting to the inappropriate trap-nature of the questions themselves rather than reacting badly to a 30-year old guy needing health care, the death penalty, and gay people.


108 posted on 09/23/2011 5:21:01 AM PDT by ngat
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To: Darkwolf377
Man, we can't even show simple respect to our soldiers anymore unless they're "our" kind of soldiers?

If you can't tell the difference between a respectable soldier and an embarrassment to the uniform, you are a moral castrato and your opinion is worthless.

Honor apart from morality does not exist.

109 posted on 09/23/2011 5:22:46 AM PDT by papertyger (Founding member of the "Never Make It To Akbar" Club.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
I have to agree with you. He was wonderful last night and in comparison to the rest, seemed to me to be the most natural. Perry looked like he had a stick up his butt and Mittens was oozing political slime. Bachman said some right things but it seemed as though they were practiced more than from the heart. IMO, Santorum and Johnson seemed the most natural and answered the questions from the heart.
110 posted on 09/23/2011 5:23:55 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: Ann Archy

Yes, we are asked to honor the man because he is homosexual? NO! Never.

For that he deserves rebuke for the dishonor of his behavior. It was GREAT and WONDERFUL that we still boo the dishonorable.

I am seek of “being in the service” having become a free ride to perks and excuses. A man or woman of integrity would never ask for or accept such.

Bring back Moral Turpitude.


111 posted on 09/23/2011 5:25:15 AM PDT by bvw
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To: papertyger

Honor apart from morality does not exist.
************
Did you make that up? That is good and I will forever remember it.


112 posted on 09/23/2011 5:26:45 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: central_va

Gay definitely. Thankfully those “queer soldiers” DO “give a crap”.


113 posted on 09/23/2011 5:43:09 AM PDT by tal hajus ("Thank you sir. May I have another?" GOP)
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To: Darkwolf377
I respectfully disagree. I think that it's important that the rest of the country knows that, perhaps, they aren't alone, and that other people share what they are thinking. When people cheer certain answers, many may say, "Whoa! Maybe I need to speak up more."

In this case, it would be like a cop standing up and defending unions. I'd boo him---not because he's a cop but because he's supporting union thugs, whatever his other good qualities.

114 posted on 09/23/2011 5:48:56 AM PDT by LS ("Castles made of sand, fall in the sea . . . eventually." (Hendrix))
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To: Irenic

True homos don’t ask, they tell up front...


115 posted on 09/23/2011 5:56:27 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: lbryce

When I served in the military, ( ‘58- ‘62 ) it was, by law, forbidden for military members to engage in a media public debate on politics.

My question is, was that law stricken from the the books and, if not, was this ‘proud’ homosexual soldier in violation of military Code?


116 posted on 09/23/2011 5:58:09 AM PDT by RetSignman (It's Fall...the "Goebbles Warmers" are packing their bags , migrating for their winter caves.)
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To: Irenic; papertyger

Honor apart from morality does not exist.


I see a tight parallel to those who claim to be “ethical” and atheist.


117 posted on 09/23/2011 5:59:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: USAF80
True homos don’t ask, they tell up front...

"up front"?

118 posted on 09/23/2011 5:59:39 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: SoJoCo

Anyone remember a few years back when some politician went to a BX/PX/NX and saw the porn magazines on sale?

He got legislation passed to ban all the magazines except for a few T & A ones. His reason was the American public should not support that type of activity. This was completely bogus because AAFES makes their own money from sales not from taxpayers pockets.

Outserve or Outcast will be bringing their version of homo porn to a local BX/PX/NX near you.


119 posted on 09/23/2011 6:01:58 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: tal hajus
Gay definitely.

Take your queer politics somewhere else.

120 posted on 09/23/2011 6:04:26 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: lbryce

How do we know that these jerks aren’t Demoncratic plants???


121 posted on 09/23/2011 6:11:05 AM PDT by MadelineZapeezda (Just one of 'those sons of bitches')
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To: Darkwolf377

You are a total liar. You most certainly did make the case that homosexual behavior should be given special allowances over other perversions as it was in your opinion between ‘two consenting adults’ and that for you that makes the difference.

Now you are also using the typical left-wing smear of implying that I am ‘afraid’ of homosexuals. Thus you are using the bogus homophobe tactic of the left.

You also continually try to insist that homosexuality is alright as long as it is kept private. So in other words you have no problem with it. Homosexuality is a corruption regarldless if it is kept secret or not, though left-wing morally corrupt types like you continually fail to awaken to that fact.


122 posted on 09/23/2011 6:13:16 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: USAF80

>>We can’t say homosexual anymore. That would land you in the EO office. The correct term is gay.<<

Correction, the PC term is gay. There is nothing gay about homosexuality. And whatever the EO office is, but I don’t care. I will do, think and say anything I want - so long as I am being factual.

Any LIB that doesn’t like it can KMA.


123 posted on 09/23/2011 7:12:53 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Darkwolf377
Plenty of jerks in the military, and, now, plenty of homos.

I respect people for the entire content of their character, not merely their choice of job.

What if it were a Muslim soldier saying the US military is killing innocent Muslims all over the world?

Am I allowed to boo him?

124 posted on 09/23/2011 7:32:33 AM PDT by Trailerpark Badass
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To: Darkwolf377

“As a soldier, he deserves the respect of those whose lives he is defending with his own. “

Nope. No defending fudge-packers. He wasn’t booed for military service. THAT would be a Democrat debate!

He was booed for wanting fudge-packers to be allowed to openly parade their perversion in the military. He was booed for believing a guy stuffing his cock into another guy’s butt is the same as marriage. He was booed for violating natural law, for it doesn’t take much sense to realize that a man’s penis wasn’t meant for another man’s anus.

If the soldier had asked for approval of screwing little boys, or dogs, or having 4 wives, would you say we still need to applaud him?


125 posted on 09/23/2011 7:37:31 AM PDT by Mr Rogers ("they found themselves made strangers in their own country")
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To: PalmettoMason
. . . they are identified by their rank, even after their ETS.
This stood out to me.

I noticed that too and wondered why his rank was not given.

126 posted on 09/23/2011 7:44:14 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: TheGunny
I am living this hell. I have been in service with the Marines for 24 years and am demoralized by the actions of this administration.

First, thanks for your service. I've been in the TX Army NG for 35 + years, and am getting ready to retire at the end of the year. This repeal of DADT was the final nail for me. For the gays - who are less than 5% of the population - to force this issue is not good for moral.

127 posted on 09/23/2011 8:11:53 AM PDT by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: lbryce

They were clearly booing the DADT repeal. That was what was being flaunted by the homosexual soldier, and THAT is what was being booed.

Idiots.


128 posted on 09/23/2011 8:15:43 AM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

The DADT repeal message states that “sexual orientation will continue to be a personal and private matter” so jackwagon just went against that.


129 posted on 09/23/2011 8:35:16 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Ask any long time pollster how I know. Or anyone who studies demographics, human nature and history.


130 posted on 09/23/2011 8:40:34 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: central_va

Are these people who booed trying to throw the election “shoeless joe jackson” style ?


131 posted on 09/23/2011 8:43:28 AM PDT by se_ohio_young_conservative
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To: Darkwolf377

It Is pretty ironic that in this post you accuse me of being afraid to defend my position but it is you who has now decided to leave being you are afraid to defend your position.

I notice on your personal page – “I really liked coming here since 9/11/01. Sorry to leave, but this place isn’t for me anymore.”

So you are going to leave FR because others here do not want to give respect to a soldier who openly flaunts his homosexual perversion?


132 posted on 09/23/2011 8:53:56 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: NTHockey
I agree with you about calling them homosexuals but what is the difference between a Mohammedean and a Muslim? Wouldn't both recognize Mohammed as a prophet? I apologize if this is something that's been covered extensively elsewhere.
133 posted on 09/23/2011 9:23:27 AM PDT by texanred
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To: NTHockey

EO=Equal Opportunity

The word is that complaints will not be handled by the EO office but I’m sure that will change. They keep mentioning that orientation is private and personal but no guidance on what that means.

Can Pvt Joe and Jim swap spit at the enlisted club? According to the letter homo marriage is legal now.


134 posted on 09/23/2011 9:51:45 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: VietVet

first thing the next President should do is overturn this don’t ask policy by zero.

All he or she has to do is to say on the advice of the Generals I have spoken too and the soldiers, marines etc I have spoken to and having seen the many lawsuits and back pay they want then this social experiment has not worked.

In survival training in the Arctic we had to share sleeping bags and now some homo officer is to tell me to share a sleeping bag with a homo or I have to go point because the homo officer fancies the new young recruit.
Well he can piss off

far too much PC today and PC doe snot belong in the military

Anyone thinks that homosexuality is normal and has a place in the military is as nuts as those cross dressing freaks and homosexuals IMHO


135 posted on 09/23/2011 10:36:34 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: EverOnward

correct the homosexual who gave many secrets away to wikileaks proves homosexuals do not belong and only care about their sexual sickness.

remember a time when they said it was their private life, my how times have changed and so have I .

I never had a problem 15 years ago but now I will fight tooth and nail to stop openly serving homosexual, cross dressers etc be allowed in the military.

What some on here forget and the pro cross dressing pro homo media forget is that the majority do not look at the homo agenda as right and everytime we get to vote we vote against their agenda.
Saying what Rick did will get much more votes than lose votes.
This issue should be raised and I guarantee more of the average voters will come out and vote against their agenda.


136 posted on 09/23/2011 10:41:43 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: manc

I saw something today that the fight is not over. They want transgendered in now.


137 posted on 09/23/2011 10:44:48 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: TheBigIf

No I follow the Bible.
John 15:13
Greater love has no one than this, that he lay down his life for his friends.

I won’t even bother with the jingoistic pedophile crack.If your really interested in the makeup of pedophiles see this:
http://www.mayoclinicproceedings.com/content/82/4/457.full

Pedophiles would not find targets in the Military.


138 posted on 09/23/2011 10:53:58 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: USAF80

cross dressers next, then reduce sex age law then have more than one wife , then it goes to animals.

Now some will say don’t be stupid with animals but people have had sex with animals and some have got tried to them in other countries.


139 posted on 09/23/2011 10:55:53 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: Marty62

These debates are stupid. Debates should be reserved for the general election.

When you pretty much have a bunch of people in a room who basically agree on everything, all they have is personal attacks.


140 posted on 09/23/2011 10:57:45 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: dfwgator

Thank You. I don’t know why these Candidates are agreeing to these Circus shows arranged by Fox.


141 posted on 09/23/2011 11:02:06 AM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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To: Marty62

You are forgetting base housing is full of kids.


142 posted on 09/23/2011 11:14:35 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: liberalh8ter; fightinJAG

That is why I am still one of the 2 Santorum guys on FR. He is like one of us. He doesn’t need to think about questions because he has a Conservative core to work from. The right answers are at his fingertips because he really believes it. He lives the life. I like having a person running who is honest with who they are. Johnson, Cain and even Paul never miss a beat and tell it like they believe it is. That is why Perry, Mittens and Bachmann turn me off. They give these wooden answers that you can see were focus grouped.

As an aside. If anyone wants to read a heartbreaking story about Santorum that he rarely talks about is his daughter, Isabella. I herd him discuss it a few months back on Glenn Becks radio show. I didn’t even know about it.

http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com/2011/03/28/very-ill-child-keeps-santorum-off-the-campaign-trail/

Much like Palin, his adherence to principles has kept her alive when other would have walked away.


143 posted on 09/23/2011 11:15:34 AM PDT by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: lbryce

think many of us are missing the point here.

WHEN THE HELL DID HOMOSEXUALITY BECOME JUST NORMAL ?
That is what we should be asking not whether some booed a homosexuals or booed the question.

It’s down right not normal and if anyone thinks it is then why are they on here anyway plus I suggest they think about what these deviants do to each other and how they act.

Got a pal and he had no problem either with them but one day the guy at his work asked for a life home as his car was broken down.
He then dropped him off and then saw him to go another guy at the house and on the way home my pal thought to himself what they were doing to each other right there and then and since that he has been disgusted by them.

IT IS NOT NORMAL and they should not be in the military and do need to be told they need help.
As for those who say they have because they have a friend who is a queer then think about what they are dong and then would that person not have a problem because their friend has sex with their pet dog, young girl,daughter etc?


144 posted on 09/23/2011 11:17:13 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: Marty62

agree the debates are stupid run by our pro queer, pro cross dressing and probably soon to be pro more than one wife , pro incest and pro little kids sex media.

All FOX wants is for the people to attack to get ratings and the GOP should tell them to piss off.


145 posted on 09/23/2011 11:19:05 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: Lazlo in PA

make it 3 of us.

I like Rick it is refreshing to have someone speak what the majority want and think.
He’s not backing down and nor should he.

Homosexuality , cross dressing, incest etc is not frigging normal in the first place let alone be in the military.

The only reason why his numbers are not higher is because the pro queer, cross dressing media does nto like his stance and therefore give him no time compared to the other idiots who are always being told they are the front runners

Look at Newt, he would wipe the floor with zero in a debate, he knows more than all up there especially history , constitution and founding fathers.

MB is prone to slip ups sadly

the pro loving queer cross dressing media has selected our candidates and most on the right have fell for it again just like in 2008

On my local news I saw they were saying Palin is getting a divorce, again they are now looking for another attack angle
Lat time it was her kid, she is dumb, she spends money on clothes but ignores how she gave it to charity

We need men or women with a backbone and Perry , Romney etc do not have it IMHO


146 posted on 09/23/2011 11:24:22 AM PDT by manc (Hannity admitted he's socially liberal on his show, another phony cashing in,marriage =1man +1 woman)
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To: Marty62

Why don’t you explain to me how the Bible verse you quote is meant to mean that homosexuality should be respected if a person has served in the military.

And why don’t you also explain to us what perversions you don’t want to hate and which it is that you do. If someone is openly a pedophile and has served then are you for booing the person or not? If they engage in bestiality and have served then are you for booing or not?

I am simply trying to find out if it is only homosexual perversion that you feel it is hateful to boo against or if it is all perversions you want to protect.


147 posted on 09/23/2011 11:25:44 AM PDT by TheBigIf
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To: Lazlo in PA

Did you hear his interview with Rush? Good stuff. It definitely put me in his corner.


148 posted on 09/23/2011 11:25:55 AM PDT by liberalh8ter
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To: manc

One of my reservist had a job at the post office. His dad got him the job. Anyway there was a homo working there that kept hitting on him but out of respect for his dad he refrained from beating his ass.

One day the homo asked him if he wanted lunch and my troop said yes. My troop said as he was eating his sandwich the pervert kept looking at him and smiling. He asked what was up and the perv said he had put something “special” in his sandwich. I can’t remember the rest but I think he quit or ended up beating his ass anyway and got fired.


149 posted on 09/23/2011 11:38:48 AM PDT by USAF80
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To: TheBigIf

I FIND IT INTERESTING THAT THE SAME HYSTERIA WAS USED AGAINST THE JEWS IN NATIONAL SOCIALIST GERMANY.

Amazing Christians are attacked daily in the msm and even in our local towns and cities. Do you really think such hatred is a Christian Characteristic.

When our children are being subjected to all forms of perversion in Schools and daily on the TV (if you allow them to watch)
Spewing hatred at someone serving this Country is less than admirable.

Before you TRY to claim I support PERVS forget it.
Many decades ago, my FORMER Mother-in-Law had a beach house in Mx. She asked if my daughter could go with her and her friend whose little boy was going.
I agreed since she assured me there would not be any drinking around her.
My Father-in- Law brought her home. I got a call at work from my Mother who was hysterical. She got a CALL fom my MF’ing MIL. She told her that she thought something might have happened to my Daughter.
I was shaking so hard I could barely drive home. I found my Mother in tears. I put my Daughter down for a nap. When she was asleep I called the BITCH and asked her what the hell was going on. She informed me that her friends BOYFRIEND had gone with them.

I was calling the Emergency room, (I worked at a hospital)
they told me how to handle it.
My Husband showed up. (his mfing Muther called him) As calmly as I could I told my Daughter that we need to go see the Doctor. At the hospital I relayed the story and that I had NOT questioned my Daughter.
Calmly she went into the exam room with the Doctors and nurses.
The Doctor came out and said yes she had been molested. The rage I felt was palpable. But attempting to remain calm for my Daughter was extremely difficult.
When we got home I told my Mother and I watched as her heart broke. She took my Daughter to bed and slept with her.
I got my keys to go to my f-ing MIL. My Husband said he would take me. When we got there I demanded to know how this happened. turned out her and her buddy went to a local bar and left the kids with this perv. I got his name and turns out he was in the NAVY. He had 3 girls but was divorced. The police said they couldn’t do anything about it because it happened in MX.
In between the death threats I yelled at everyone involved, I made it clear the U.S Navy was going to get the Doctors report.

SO SAVE YOUR BS ATTEMPTS TO CLAIM I LOVE PERVS I DON’T.
But I have learned in my life that hatred is a disease that can eat your soul. I choose not to associate with people I find objectionable pesonally. That includes Dumocrats.


150 posted on 09/23/2011 12:49:55 PM PDT by Marty62 (Marty60)
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