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WI Judge to Zinniker, FTCLDF: No "Fundamental Right" to Own a Cow, or Consume Its Milk
The Complete Patient ^ | Thursday, September 15, 2011 | Staff

Posted on 09/24/2011 1:03:30 PM PDT by bkopto

In response to a request from the Farm-to-Consumer Legal Defense Fund, the judge issued a clarification of his decision last week regarding his assessment of the constitutionality of food rights.

SNIP

As if to show how pissed he was at being questioned, he said his decision translates further that "no, Plaintiffs to not have a fundamental right to own and use a dairy cow or a dairy herd;

"no, Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to consume the milk from their own cow;"

And in a kind of exclamation point, he added this to his list of no-nos: "no, Plaintiffs do not have a fundamental right to produce and consume the foods of their choice..."

You have to wonder if maybe even the regulators are getting a tad uncomfortable with the rulings coming from the nation's judiciary on food rights. Many of these individuals, biased as they are against raw milk, dabble in farming to some extent, or grew up on farms. This judge has gone way beyond what many of them have come to assume--that everyone has the right to own a cow and consume its milk Even in places that ban raw milk sales, there's nearly always a provision in state law that anyone who owns a cow has the right to consume its milk.

It seems Judge Fiedler is saying it's not a "fundamental right," but rather a right granted us by the state.

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Full Title: WI Judge to Zinniker, FTCLDF: No "Fundamental Right" to Own a Cow, or Consume Its Milk...Am I Making Myself Clear?
1 posted on 09/24/2011 1:03:35 PM PDT by bkopto
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To: bkopto; Hunton Peck; TaMoDee; P from Sheb; Shady; DonkeyBonker; Wisconsinlady; JPG; bushwon; ...
Wisconsin Politics Ping List Ping!
2 posted on 09/24/2011 1:05:57 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: bkopto

That’s right...you have no fundemental right to even water or food of any kind....the shiavo judge nailed that one...

The state can lawfully starve you to death....

The law is an ass...


3 posted on 09/24/2011 1:07:39 PM PDT by Crim (Palin / West '12)
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To: bkopto

wow


4 posted on 09/24/2011 1:07:39 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: Red_Devil 232

Garden/Food Ping-Worthy?


5 posted on 09/24/2011 1:08:03 PM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin (I don't have 'Hobbies.' I'm developing a robust Post-Apocalyptic skill set...)
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To: Crim

Shouldn’t this be covered by property rights?


6 posted on 09/24/2011 1:08:33 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: bkopto
Controlling the People through the food supply. An old trick, but effective.


7 posted on 09/24/2011 1:08:48 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (The USSR spent itself into bankruptcy and collapsed -- and aren't we on the same path now?)
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To: Crim

But there is a fundamental right to the tree of liberty.


8 posted on 09/24/2011 1:10:29 PM PDT by omega4179 (Banish your inner slave.)
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To: bkopto

I shouldn’t think this would go over very big in Wisconsin. He’s offending the sustainable food people of the left as well as the Constitutional rights people on the right.

The factory farmers would like it, and the politicians with whom they make their arrangements. But who else?


9 posted on 09/24/2011 1:12:43 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: bkopto
This is Originalist/Strict Constructionism...commie style.

Their contention is that if the Constitution does not specifically enumerate a right (forget that they are total hypocrites on this matter) then said right does not exist and/or is not relevant to the dealings between man and government.

However, they just can't seem to understand what the 9th Amendment says:

"The enumeration in the Constitution of certain rights shall not be construed to deny or disparage others retained by the people".

This jedge is either a dunce or a commie statist. Doesn't matter either way...except for when he goes to trial. Commie statists to be hung, stupid enablers to go to prison for re-education.

10 posted on 09/24/2011 1:17:30 PM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: bkopto

Sometimes I think we’re headed back into feudalism. :(


11 posted on 09/24/2011 1:21:50 PM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: bkopto

Just freaking wow...


12 posted on 09/24/2011 1:22:03 PM PDT by SoDak
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To: bkopto

The judge needs to be removed, and fast.


13 posted on 09/24/2011 1:22:52 PM PDT by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: bkopto

Call it ‘surrogate breast feeding’ (wet nurse is too passe).

If men can be sperm donors to thousands of anonymous egg donors and hundreds of rental wombs - please tell me why one cow cannot be a surrogate breast feeder to its one owner!


14 posted on 09/24/2011 1:27:51 PM PDT by sodpoodle
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To: bkopto

He made his ruling. Now, let him enforce it.


15 posted on 09/24/2011 1:28:10 PM PDT by AlmaKing
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To: Mariner
What ever happen to good old fashioned Tar and Feathering ?????
16 posted on 09/24/2011 1:30:32 PM PDT by Robe (Rome did not create a great empire by talking, they did it by killing all those who opposed them)
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To: AlmaKing

” He made his ruling. Now, let him enforce it. “

I share, and agree with, the sentiment — however, our society these days is infested with a particularly nasty species of Do-Gooder-Busybody, many of them having infested Government at all levels...

And the non-Gummint sub-species - found in every neighborhood - is just aching to denounce their neighbors to their authoritarian compatriots....


17 posted on 09/24/2011 1:32:59 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: bkopto
"This judge has gone way beyond what many of them have come to assume--that everyone has the right to own a cow and consume its milk Even in places that ban raw milk sales, there's nearly always a provision in state law that anyone who owns a cow has the right to consume its milk."

I hate to burst the righteous bubble, but this is nothing new, at least in terms of statute. Many localities forbid the possession of farm animals within their boundaries. Maybe this new ruling is not relevant to my point, but it is my point and I'm sticking to it.

18 posted on 09/24/2011 1:33:11 PM PDT by Batrachian (Not every human problem deserves a law.)
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To: bkopto
making yourself clear that you clearly just made it up...
19 posted on 09/24/2011 1:48:15 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Robe
"What ever happen to good old fashioned Tar and Feathering ?????"

If someone wants to split and transport 'em, my patch of the Texas Piney Woods can supply lots of sharp-cornered, splintery "riding rails"...

20 posted on 09/24/2011 1:55:15 PM PDT by TXnMA ("Allah": Satan's current alias...)
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To: bkopto

sounds like we have only the right to pay taxes and keep quiet


21 posted on 09/24/2011 2:05:47 PM PDT by Oratam
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To: TXnMA

Mark Twain told of a rascal who was tarred, feathered and ridden out of town on a rail.

Rascal commented, “If it weren’t for the honor of the thing, I’d just as soon walk.”


22 posted on 09/24/2011 2:12:27 PM PDT by Ole Okie (!!!?)
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I believe the correct URL to this thread article is at The Complete Patient.
I am somewhat surprised the Judge would rule that someone who can afford it, can not own livestock.

23 posted on 09/24/2011 2:13:13 PM PDT by pyx (Rule#1.The LEFT lies.Rule#2.See Rule#1. IF THE LEFT CONTROLS THE LANGUAGE, IT CONTROLS THE ARGUMENT.)
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To: bkopto

I bet this judge believes that women have a “right” to kill their babies.


24 posted on 09/24/2011 2:14:18 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: bkopto

The judge doesn’t have a fundemental right not to be tarred and feathered...at least according to the “logic” of his ruling.


25 posted on 09/24/2011 2:14:32 PM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: bkopto

Impeach the arrogant judge to teach him the meaning of “We the People...”


26 posted on 09/24/2011 2:25:54 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: bkopto

Looks like the link got truncated as well as the title, as it doesn’t work. Here’s a working link:

http://www.thecompletepatient.com/journal/2011/9/15/wi-judge-to-zinniker-ftcldf-no-fundamental-right-to-own-a-co.html


27 posted on 09/24/2011 2:29:23 PM PDT by Hunton Peck (See my FR homepage for a list of businesses that support WI Gov. Scott Walker)
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To: GeronL
Shouldn’t this be covered by property rights?

You mean back when there were property rights?

28 posted on 09/24/2011 2:50:43 PM PDT by BfloGuy (Even the opponents of Socialism are dominated by socialist ideas.)
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To: bkopto

I can foresee the time when judges make law useless.


29 posted on 09/24/2011 3:11:09 PM PDT by pallis
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To: pallis

I can foresee the time when judges make law useless.


My 82 year old father was telling me the other day that he could see the day and it wasn’t to far off he said: “Politicians and Judges are going to end up against the wall.” And let me tell you, when you lose my Law and order Father’s respect you’re toast.


30 posted on 09/24/2011 3:19:22 PM PDT by The Working Man (The mantra for BO's reign...."No Child Left a Dime")
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To: The Working Man

I once heard someone say, just take all of congress and shoot only 1/2 of them and send the rest back to clean up the mess they have made...


31 posted on 09/24/2011 3:37:26 PM PDT by goat granny
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To: Mariner
For some time I thought I was the only Freeper who gave a rip about the Ninth. Well, it is good to know there are at least two us.

Here is some light reading on the Ninth Amendment by Randy Barnett.

Warning: Read and weep.

32 posted on 09/24/2011 3:41:19 PM PDT by Jacquerie
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Clear as milk.


33 posted on 09/24/2011 3:44:48 PM PDT by Gene Eric (Your Hope has been Redistributed. Here's your damn Change!)
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To: bkopto

This is complete BS. These judges are making decisions way above their authority. I say this as a person who wouldn’t drink raw milk if you held a gun to my head


34 posted on 09/24/2011 3:55:21 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: Uncle Ike

“Do-Gooder-Busybody”

Bingo. Nothing worse than a damn know-it-all do gooder. Always there with unsolicited advice


35 posted on 09/24/2011 4:00:55 PM PDT by Figment ("A communist is someone who reads Marx.An anti-communist is someone who understands Marx" R Reagan)
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To: GeronL
Shouldn’t this be covered by property rights?

Yes, it should... it's a bad ruling. Needs to be appealed. And that judge needs to seek employment elsewhere.

36 posted on 09/24/2011 4:08:50 PM PDT by SCalGal (Friends don't let friends donate to H$U$ or PETA.)
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To: Crim

...well, the judge is an ass....


37 posted on 09/24/2011 4:40:08 PM PDT by pointsal
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To: Crim

“... hence it is that he who attempts to get another man into his absolute power does thereby put himself into a state of war with him; it being to be understood as a declaration of a design upon his life. For I have reason to conclude that he who would get me into his power without my consent would use me as he pleased when he had got me there, and destroy me too when he had a fancy to it; for nobody can desire to have me in his absolute power unless it be to compel me by force to that which is against the right of my freedom- i.e. make me a slave. To be free from such force is the only security of my preservation, and reason bids me look on him as an enemy to my preservation who would take away that freedom which is the fence to it; so that he who makes an attempt to enslave me thereby puts himself into a state of war with me.”

From John Locke’s 2nd essay on government.


38 posted on 09/24/2011 5:03:44 PM PDT by fella ("As it was before Noah, so shall it be again.")
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To: Diana in Wisconsin

With all due respect, anyone that actually obeys this Obamahole is an idiot.

This judge should be afraid to ride in anything other than an armored car.


39 posted on 09/24/2011 5:06:15 PM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: bkopto

Let’s see. If the SHTF and said judge shows up at a location, which is lousy with cows, pigs, and all kinds of home grown tasty stuff, I guess I would have to say that he can’t have any, it’s not government approved, therefore no one has a right to eat it. The only right he has is to die of starvation.


40 posted on 09/24/2011 5:42:03 PM PDT by kt56 (Molon Labe)
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To: Da Coyote

“This judge should be afraid to ride in anything other than an armored car.

That’s what AP is for. :)


41 posted on 09/24/2011 5:45:52 PM PDT by kt56 (Molon Labe)
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To: ClearCase_guy
I don't speak, read or write Russian, but I believe the poster accompanying your reply is an attack on the "rich". A kulak was a farmer characterized by the communists as too wealthy. I believe the "villain" in the propaganda poster was a kulak.......

The communists killed or enslaved the kulaks and put the peasants in charge of the farms. The peasants lacked the know-how of making the soil and animals productive...........translation: mass famine..........

The peasants thought that the commies were doing them a favor.........they were just being used and controlled........like you said......

8:}

P.S. I went to your FReeper About Page........darn righteous........

42 posted on 09/24/2011 7:49:15 PM PDT by AwesomePossum (I have never looked this forward to a November II........)
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To: omega4179
But there is a fundamental right to the tree of liberty.

Nice place to find a hanging judge.

43 posted on 09/25/2011 12:32:56 AM PDT by LoneRangerMassachusetts (The meek shall not inherit the Earth)
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To: omega4179

44 posted on 09/25/2011 1:40:25 AM PDT by Halfmanhalfamazing ( Media doesn't report, It advertises. So that last advertisement you just read, what was it worth?)
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To: bkopto

This is insane.


45 posted on 09/25/2011 1:53:38 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: Batrachian

You are referring to zoning laws. These do not limit your right to own a cow, merely where you can possess it. There are no zoning laws that limit your right to own.


46 posted on 09/25/2011 1:53:44 AM PDT by CharacterCounts (November 4, 2008 - the day America drank the Kool-Aid)
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