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Illegal Immigration Collapse
Wall Street Journal ^ | 9/24/11 | editors

Posted on 09/25/2011 10:11:11 AM PDT by Eva

To listen to the recent Republican Presidential debates, you'd think illegal immigration was the biggest threat to the U.S. economy—not to mention to the rule of law, our social fabric and national security. We hate to spoil the political reverie, but the real immigration story these days is how many fewer illegal migrants are trying to get into the land of the free.

That's the news from the Department of Homeland Security, which reports that border apprehensions have dropped to their lowest level in nearly 40 years. For fiscal 2010, arrests were 463,000, down from 724,000 in 2008—a one-third decline in two years.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: aliens; gopdebate; illegalimmigration; immigration; palin; perry; wsj
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To: federal__reserve

In-State tuition for illegals is called, making the best of a bad situation. A governor has no power to deport.

Maybe states need to do away with out of state tuition.


61 posted on 09/25/2011 11:03:48 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Then why does he allow about a dozen or was it 13 sanctury cities in TX? He can’t do anything about them? Or instate tuition for illegals?


62 posted on 09/25/2011 11:04:28 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Clairity

If I don’t pay my taxes I can also be subjected to interest, fines and possible jail time. So what if employers are also subjected to being fined or jailed for violating immigration laws?? Go cry me a river!

Forbes mag is just another apologist for the business community just like the Chamber of Commerce when it comes to illegal aliens.


63 posted on 09/25/2011 11:04:40 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: Eva

Maybe so but conservatives heard his line about having a heart as W Bush’s “compassionate conservative” which meant that he would sell out the USA to the Mexicans.


64 posted on 09/25/2011 11:05:21 AM PDT by ckilmer (Phi)
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To: tallyhoe

The point is that a governor has no power to deport. The issue is a red herring in this case.


65 posted on 09/25/2011 11:05:21 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Comparative Advantage

Perry supports strong border security, but then you know that.


66 posted on 09/25/2011 11:06:54 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Comparative Advantage

How about securing the border. Don’t you believe in that?


67 posted on 09/25/2011 11:06:54 AM PDT by Clairity ("The United States needs to be not so much loved as it needs to be respected." -- VP Dick Cheney)
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To: Eva
What trash. Take a look at California, it is falling under Mexican domination. Already they control Los Angeles,one of the largest cities in the U.S.; they are systematically plundering the San Joaquin Valley-see the various articles by VDH. They have ruined our education system, hospitals. They and the blacks are the crime problem. Then these Wall Street Journal types tell us all is wonderful.

Those who were once Americans-now a mere demographic-wander around mouthing PC egalitarianisms and are totally unable to excrete those that harm them. Americans cannot even defend themselves!

68 posted on 09/25/2011 11:07:13 AM PDT by AEMILIUS PAULUS (It is a shame that when these people give a riot)
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To: Eva

Put a big neon sign on the border saying “in state tuition for all your kids” and the flow will change. It’s tough state laws and a crap economy that’s slowed the flow, the fed could easily open the flood gates.


69 posted on 09/25/2011 11:10:58 AM PDT by discostu (yeah that's it)
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To: Eva
Americans Who Compete with Illegals. Because most Americans are more educated and do not work in these occupations, most do not compete with illegal immigrants for jobs. However, the millions of Americans who do compete for jobs with illegal immigrants tend to be the poorest and least educated.

There are currently 15.2 million U.S.-born adults of working age (18 to 65) who have not completed high school. There are also 49.1 million U.S.-born working-age adults who have only a high school degree and no additional schooling. Of these two populations, henceforth referred to as the less-educated, 26.8 million were not working in the second quarter of 2011. The number and share not working represent historic highs.

Even before the current economic downturn, less-educated Americans had generally not done well in the U.S. labor market in recent decades. Their wages, benefits, and labor force participation have all been on the decline for some time. For example, hourly wages for men who had not completed high school declined 22 percent in real (inflation adjusted) terms between 1979 and 2007. Hourly wages for men with only a high school education declined 10 percent between 1979 and 2007 in real terms. Between 2000 and 2007 the share of adult natives (18 to 65) without a high school degree holding a job fell from 54 percent to 48 percent. For those with only a high school education, the share employed fell from 73 percent to 70 percent.

In the Seattle area, stores cannot hire clerks for less $13/hr. People would rather collect unemployment or welfare. Target was hiring people from another county and paying someone to drive them an hour away and paying the employees for their travel time because no one near Seattle wanted the job.

Anecdotal stories/assertions like these just don't ring true with 25 million Americans looking for fulltime employment. Remember the droves of people who showed up when MCDonald's said it was hiring 50,000 around the country? If labor is that scarce, the salary levels should be increasing, not declining.

70 posted on 09/25/2011 11:11:36 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Clairity
What businesses are going to choose to push work off the books? If they choose to break the law, that is between them and their insurance companies along with state & federal tax authorities. If this means that some landscapers, roofers and fast food places close up then so be it.

I'm not going to impose the kind of third world cesspools that I've seen springing up in Georgia, North Carolina and Arizona on our citizens because Taco Bell needs the labor. I assure you that once the IRS and state revenue departments make it fiscally unwise to employ illegals and impose some jail time in addition to stiff fines, this problem will solve itself.

Nobody is claiming by the way that this will be a magic answer any more than there are people suggesting we can quickly deport them all. Those are red herrings designed to cloud the debate. What you need is a combination of building triple fencing where it makes sense to do that, imposing E-Verify along with rigorous tax enforcement, streamline deportation procedures and encourage/support local enforcement options, for instance like those in Arizona.

71 posted on 09/25/2011 11:12:09 AM PDT by MSF BU (YR'S Please Support our troops: JOIN THEM!)
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To: meyer

You don’t even know what you are talking about or are purposely mis-interpreting the situation.

Oh, by the way, did Perry steal tax dollars from you? Would Texas be better off with a whole lot of uneducated illegals, or more educated illegals? The concept of educating those that the feds won’t deport seems to me to be making the best of a bad situation.

Perry wasn’t pandering back in 2000.


72 posted on 09/25/2011 11:12:13 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Clairity

I believe in more than jusgt border security, we alsdo need to eliminate the magnet.

Clearly, you do not.


73 posted on 09/25/2011 11:13:14 AM PDT by Comparative Advantage
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To: Eva

I’m not one of their subscribers so I can only read your excerpt. They seem to be saying illegal immigration is less of a problem now because fewer arrests are being made.
Fewer arrests doesn’t mean fewer people are invading.


74 posted on 09/25/2011 11:13:29 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Eva

Ah, what would we do without the Chamber of Commerce/Wall St. Journal open-borders axis?


75 posted on 09/25/2011 11:15:36 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn
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To: meyer

Oh, you think that’s funny???

I’ve read that Jews were once turned away from our borders, also. Do you think they should have had a bounty put on them?


76 posted on 09/25/2011 11:19:14 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva
Why doesn't Texas have mandatory E-Verify like AZ? Why doesn't TX have a law prohibiting in-state tuition for illegals like AZ does?

Why is Perry in favor or rewarding illegal behavior? It is pure political pandering in the hope that you can get a significant portion of the Hispanic vote. According to the Pew Hispanic Center for 2010, there are 9.5 million Hispanics in Texas, second largest in the nation after CA. It amounts to 37.6% of the total population second only to NM with 46.3%. In 2000, the numbers for Texas were 6.7 million and 32%.

The Hispanic population in Texas for children under 18 is 2.4 million or 48.3% of the child population under 18 up from the 41% in 2000.

According to Pew, there are 1.5 million to 1.9 million illegal aliens in Texas (2010). There are an estimated 1.1 million illegal aliens in the Texas workforce or 9% of the total workforce. By comaparison, the estimated number of illegal aliens in Texas in 1990 was 450,000 and in 2000, 1.1 million. Do you think that Perry's welcoming policy for illegals is contributing to these numbers?

In the decade from 2000 to 2010, the Mexican-American population grew by 7.2 million as a result of births and 4.2 million as a result of new immigrant arrivals. At 31.8 million in 2010, Mexican-Americans comprise 63% of the U.S. Hispanic population and 10% of the total U.S. population (Ennis, Ríos-Vargas and Albert, 2011).

According to Pew Hispanic Center tabulations from the March 2010 U.S. Current Population Survey, 39% of Mexican-Americans—or 12.4 million—are immigrants. With the exception of Russia, no other country in the world has as many immigrants from all countries as the U.S. has from Mexico alone. Nor does any country in the world have as many citizens living abroad as does Mexico. According to the World Bank (2011), more than 10% of Mexico’s native-born population lives elsewhere, with the vast majority (97%) of these expatriates living in the United States.

77 posted on 09/25/2011 11:20:00 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Moonman62

The point is that the illegal immigration problem is the least of our problems right now. It is nothing but a red herring, being used to divide conservatives and enable the left to pick our candidate for us.


78 posted on 09/25/2011 11:21:54 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Clairity

“Not to mention that 2/3 of American voters have jobs and the economy as their top issue.”

Letting in masses of immigrants when Americans are out of jobs is part of that whole “jobs and the economy” thing 2/3rds of Americans are concerned about.


79 posted on 09/25/2011 11:22:58 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn
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To: Clairity

1) What was the effect of all that money spent?

2) He’ll do that, but building a physical barrier to aid in deterrence is impossible?

3) Why won’t he stop ringing the dinner bell for more illegals to come to TX?


80 posted on 09/25/2011 11:23:39 AM PDT by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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