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POLL DISASTER FOR OBAMA (Underwater in must win states of Ohio and Pennsylvania)
Business Insider ^ | 09/28/2011 | Zeke Miller

Posted on 09/28/2011 7:22:28 AM PDT by SeekAndFind

President Barack Obama is in deep trouble in the key swing states of Ohio and Pennsylvania, which combined with Florida will determine the outcome of the 2012 election.

A pair of polls released by Quinnipiac University Wednesday show Obama in a statistical tie with Texas Gov. Rick Perry and former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney in Ohio, with Obama holding a slight lead over Perry in Pennsylvania.

Most strikingly, a majority of voters in both states do not believe Obama deserves another term — with majorities also disapproving of the president's job performance.

In the race for the Republican nomination, Romney leads in both key states — but Perry's entrance into the race has sapped his support.

(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: Ohio; US: Pennsylvania
KEYWORDS: 2012election; obama; obama2012; obamaoneterm; ohio2012; pennsylvania2012; polls

1 posted on 09/28/2011 7:22:34 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Karl Rove outlined Obama’s challenge. Pa I am not sold will flip but Ohio and at least another rust belt state like Wisconsin could flip. Florida is gone for Oblameo as are Va, NC and Indiana. With a solid conservitive like Cain or Palin it could be a rout. A RINO like Willard or Perry could be stealing defeat freom the jaws of victory.


2 posted on 09/28/2011 7:29:29 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: pburgh01
Cool website by the way to take hypothetical scenarios out

270toWin.com

3 posted on 09/28/2011 7:31:17 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: SeekAndFind
President Barack Obama is in deep trouble in the key swing states of Ohio and Pennsylvania,

Expect the dead vote to be huge. If the dems can't win, they cheat.

4 posted on 09/28/2011 7:31:26 AM PDT by dragonblustar
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To: SeekAndFind

I’ll make my first Fearless Prediction of Election 2012: Obama will not carry Ohio.


5 posted on 09/28/2011 7:31:59 AM PDT by TonyInOhio
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To: TonyInOhio

Cain/Rubio 2012!


6 posted on 09/28/2011 7:33:05 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: TonyInOhio

“Obama will not carry Ohio.”

Here in the blue part of the state of Ohio, most moderates and Democrats view voting for Obama the way I saw voting for McCain... Not desirable, but better than any alternative.

I wouldn’t put any money on that prediction, not just yet.


7 posted on 09/28/2011 7:36:59 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: pburgh01
My predicted map if we get a Conservative in.

My map

8 posted on 09/28/2011 7:37:14 AM PDT by pburgh01
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To: SeekAndFind

Wall all those people are just RACIST.

Maxine told me so.


9 posted on 09/28/2011 7:37:51 AM PDT by I still care (I miss my friends, bagels, and the NYC skyline - but not the taxes. I love the South.)
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To: pburgh01

A pretty good map.

By your map, the GOP doesn’t even need Ohio and Pennsylvania, but I think they both lean GOP, especially if someone like Cain gets the nod.

I’d say that Minnesota, Michigan, Colorado and Wisconsin are very purple, but I think you’ve captured how they lean pretty well.


10 posted on 09/28/2011 7:51:24 AM PDT by kidd (Perry is a "conserbatib" - voting "conservative" while holding your nose)
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To: SeekAndFind

Obama needs to be burried with the EPA in the coal, natural gas, and oil he’s fighting despertely to keep in the ground. Free the economies in these states and allow the private sector to create jobs.


11 posted on 09/28/2011 7:51:50 AM PDT by OrioleFan
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To: dragonblustar

Or as Gov. Bev Perdue suggested, just suspend elections.


12 posted on 09/28/2011 7:52:30 AM PDT by ilovesarah2012
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To: SeekAndFind

I think you can spell that T-O-A-S-T

The man is not popular virtually anywhere here in PA aside from some inner-city neighborhoods in Pittsburgh and Philly.

And in Ohio, the sort of voters who are inclined to vote Democrat will never forgive him for that brazen lie about repealing NAFTA. Nobody likes to be made a fool of.


13 posted on 09/28/2011 7:53:56 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: OrioleFan

RE: Obama needs to be burried with the EPA in the coal, natural gas, and oil he’s fighting despertely to keep in the ground

______________________________________________________________________________________

Obama KNOWS that he has to do all these to jumpstart the economy. But look at what Congressman Allen West has to say about Obama in relation to this :

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2784902/posts


14 posted on 09/28/2011 7:54:31 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

Ohio should sweep out both Obama and Sherrod Brown.


15 posted on 09/28/2011 7:55:26 AM PDT by OrioleFan
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To: pburgh01

I use that website all the time and it tells me Obama is done he has no chance.


16 posted on 09/28/2011 7:56:44 AM PDT by vicar7 ("Polls are for strippers and cross-country skiers" Sarah Palin)
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To: TonyInOhio

Well, if he does carry Ohio, he’ll be re-elected. I very much doubt he’ll take Ohio. The race will probably come down to Nevada, Colorado, Iowa, and Wisconsin.

According to my predictions at 270towin.com, the GOP has 266 electoral votes in the bag. Obama states from 2008, where GOP should win easily in 2012: Indiana, Virginia, North Carolina, Florida, Ohio. The GOP candidate will need 4 electoral votes from these toss-up states: Nevada, Colorado, New Mexico, Iowa, Wisconsin, New Hampshire.

If the GOP candidate takes states like Pennsylvania or Michigan, it will be a rout.


17 posted on 09/28/2011 8:01:22 AM PDT by Big E
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To: fabian
Please, as much as that appeals to me, lets be consistant.

If obama is ineligable so is Rubio.

18 posted on 09/28/2011 8:03:05 AM PDT by guardian_of_liberty (We must bind the Government with the Chains of the Constitution...)
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To: dragonblustar

email concerning the Obama defeat:

Here is why you are wrong ( I wish it were not so):

One Word: Demographics.

The USA is approx 70% White
Approx 30% Minorities and illegals (yes illegals vote)

In 2008, the 30%(minorities and Illegals) voted greater then 90% plus for Obama. Obama got the most votes in history and more than 53% of the total vote.

If this constituency comes out again in numbers to vote for Obama at 90% plus again then it is a completely lost cause for us. Simple math dooms us.

The Whites would have to break greater then 67% against Obama. That means Obama will need only 1 in 3 White persons vote to be re-elected.

(.30*.90)+(.7*.33)= 50.1 % And an Obama victory.

Now it should be relatively easy for Obama to get 1/3 of the White vote, especially when you consider the Democrats traditional constituencies among whites: Students, teachers(brainwashers), Elderly, Welafare bums, Union Thugs, Gays, enviromental wackos and general bleeding heart types (aka most women).

So you can see, Obama will have no trouble scoring 1/3 of the white group.

Now maybe, people will understand why the Democrats are not serious about illegal immigration. In fact, Obama just passed an executive order stopping deportation of illegals(unless convicted of violent crimes). That and Democrats across the country are stopping and opposing any Voter ID laws. This is of course aimed at protecting their illegal voters.

Maybe people will understand the illegal immigration problem now and why one party sees it as a path to power.


19 posted on 09/28/2011 8:14:35 AM PDT by griswold3 (Character is Destiny)
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To: kidd
Minnesota is very purple?

Since 1931, MN has not voted for a GOP Pres except for 1952 Dwight D. Eisenhower and Richard Nixon, and the 1972 Richard Nixon and Spiro Agnew race, - THAT'S IT.

MN Electoral College Votes
20 posted on 09/28/2011 8:23:04 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: griswold3

RE: One Word: Demographics

That would be a major factor today if this were a pure popular voting system.

I would surmise that most illegals who vote are concentrated on states that WILL GO Obama ANYWAY ( California, Illionois, NY ) and won’t make much of a dent in Florida or Texas.

That is why we have the Electoral College System and thank the Framers for that.


21 posted on 09/28/2011 8:30:07 AM PDT by SeekAndFind (u)
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To: SeekAndFind

The article says “.....states of Ohio and Pennsylvania, which combined with Florida will determine the outcome of the 2012 election.”

So, elections should only be held in these three states.


22 posted on 09/28/2011 8:35:13 AM PDT by Terry Mross (I'll only vote for a SECOND party.)
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To: kidd

Colorado and Wisconsin are pink, Minnesota and Michigan are turning cyan very quickly.


23 posted on 09/28/2011 8:44:37 AM PDT by NorthStarStateConservative (Springtime in America will arrive on January 21, 2013.)
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To: SeekAndFind
That is why we have the Electoral College System and thank the Framers for that.

For now, but it is under attack by DEMS......MAKING VOTES COUNT; Abolish the Electoral College , NYSlimes

Excerpt - "The main problem with the Electoral College is that it builds into every election the possibility, which has been a reality three times since the Civil War, that the president will be a candidate who lost the popular vote. "

The RATS MUST BE STOPPED IF AMERICA IS TO CONTINUE.

24 posted on 09/28/2011 8:52:29 AM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: brownsfan
Here in the blue part of the state of Ohio, most moderates and Democrats view voting for Obama the way I saw voting for McCain... Not desirable, but better than any alternative.

I think your point shows how bad Obama's situation is. Yeah, most of those people will vote for Obama, but the enthusiasm gap next year will be huge. Your reluctance for McCain in 2008 led to a loss. This time, it is the other side's reluctance that will likely lead to defeat.

I do not assume Ohio yet, as I do FL, VA, and IN, but if I had to place a bet today, Ohio will be Republican red in November 2012. I believe, once again, however, that Ohio will be the deciding factor in this one.

25 posted on 09/28/2011 9:02:04 AM PDT by ilgipper (Everything you get from the government was taken from someone else)
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To: dragonblustar

Here in Ohio the DNC are fighting to get signatures to challenge the change to the early voting rules that were in place in 2008.Kasich is shortening the time and making them present the same ID requirements that same day voting has to show.In 2008 busloads were brought in for early voting from PA by ACORN.Without those 200,000 illegal votes Obama would to have won Ohio.He will not carry Ohio this time


26 posted on 09/28/2011 9:25:08 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Cheerio
"a reality three times since the Civil War, that the president will be a candidate who lost the popular vote."

What do they mean by this? Benjamin Harrison won in 1888 with a smaller popular vote, as did George W. Bush in 2000. What is the third example? (John Quincy Adams beat Andrew Jackson, but that was before the Civil War and was decided in the House of Representatives.)

Maybe they are finally admitting that Kennedy had fewer popular votes than Nixon? Quite apart from the allegations of voter fraud in Illinois and Texas that year, the usual figure for Kennedy's popular vote counts all the Democratic votes in Alabama as Kennedy votes, but the electors split their vote between Kennedy and Harry F. Byrd, and who is to say what the Democratic voters in the state were thinking when they cast their ballots? I wonder if anyone has researched the local newspapers or interviewed people who were of voting age in Alabama in 1960 to shed light on that. Without the Alabama popular vote, Nixon had a plurality.

27 posted on 09/28/2011 9:31:52 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Verginius Rufus

The third example is 1876, Hayes versus Tilden.


28 posted on 09/28/2011 9:33:10 AM PDT by Publius
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To: dragonblustar

It would be an illuminating exercise to have one election without voter ID followed in a week with one that requires photo ID. My guess is that the results would be a lot different.


29 posted on 09/28/2011 9:38:49 AM PDT by vette6387 (Enough Already!)
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To: vette6387

I doubt Obama will win Ohio, but I think he will probably won Pennsylvania.

If it’s clear that he lost PA, forget about it. Election day will be an early night. :-)


30 posted on 09/28/2011 9:46:36 AM PDT by Ted Grant
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To: SeekAndFind

It will take a MASSIVE landslide to overcome the vote fraud that will be in action in every state. If the GOP candidate gets a 20% majority it will still be a photo finish when the vote count is announced. Expect fraud on an unprecedented scale.


31 posted on 09/28/2011 9:55:53 AM PDT by Wordkraft
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To: Cheerio

The Minnesota state congress (both houses) is controlled by the GOP. Half of the federal House members from MN are GOP. In the 2008 election, the popular vote was 45-54-1 GOP-Dem-other.

As far as history goes, Reagan only lost Minnesota by 3000 votes...with Minnesota’s own Mondale as the Dem candidate.

Minnesota leans slightly dem, but I maintain that it is in play in 2012.

Purple.


32 posted on 09/28/2011 10:12:55 AM PDT by kidd (Perry is a "conserbatib" - voting "conservative" while holding your nose)
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To: Publius

Thanks—I had forgotten about that one. Of course with the voter fraud that was rampant (”Vote early and vote often!”), who knows who really had the most popular votes in some of those elections. Some were very close.


33 posted on 09/28/2011 11:50:46 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: SeekAndFind
Related thread:

Pennsylvania, Ohio voters unhappy with Obama, Quinnipiac polls say

34 posted on 09/28/2011 12:25:54 PM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: kidd
We shall see. Mpls/St Paul hard BLUE.
35 posted on 09/28/2011 12:30:01 PM PDT by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: griswold3

True . . . but Hispanics never went 90% for Obama, you factored them in and the EC is still in play - the minorities are all concentrated in the large cities.


36 posted on 09/28/2011 12:36:15 PM PDT by Baladas ((ABBHO))
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To: SeekAndFind
The various Philly "flash mob" attacks, plus the latest incident where a black mob attacked a white guy in his house is not likely to do Obama much good in PA.
37 posted on 09/28/2011 12:48:53 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: guardian_of_liberty

?? THe constitution says that the person has to be born in the U.S....not his parents...does not say that anywhere.


38 posted on 09/28/2011 6:48:47 PM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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