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Homeowners say WI Law Favors Big Farms, Leaves them Powerless Against Smells, Pollution
Washtington ComPost ^ | September 28, 2011 | AP

Posted on 09/28/2011 11:14:23 AM PDT by Diana in Wisconsin

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To: Diana in Wisconsin

Which came first — the cattle or the complaining homeowner? Unless this is a really dirty farm, I can’t believe that these folks can smell the cattle from 2 miles.

My back property line adjoins a horse farm/riding stable, and I never smell anything.


101 posted on 09/28/2011 4:42:20 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: afraidfortherepublic

You can find the farm very easily on Google Earth by searching on “Larson Acres, Wisconsin”. The property appears as neat as a pin. This isn’t about any legitimate concern with modern farming; this is about control. Who will decide how Americans farm: the farmers who invest their capital, and lives, in their business or government “experts” who couldn’t guess the number of teats on a cow if their lives depended on it?


102 posted on 09/28/2011 4:48:27 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: Mr. Lucky

Well, I hate to say it, but in Wisconsin the DNR tells the farmer how to farm. The state requires manure pits that limit run-off, etc. There are lots of requirements and restrictions. The government does pay for some of it. I know somone who operates the largest feed lot in WI and the state is always out there designing and redesigning his manure pit and feeding stations.


103 posted on 09/28/2011 4:52:30 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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At least the jurisdiction of the DNR is uniform throughout the state and their regulations are transparent and subject to challenge. In this case, the Town arrogated to itself the authority to tell the Larson what crops they had to plant, where they could plant, when they could plant, when they could fertilize, ad nauseaum, to the finest points of crop management. If the municipal commissars are so expert in agriculture, they should risk their own capital and spend three generations building up a family business just as the Larsons have done.


104 posted on 09/28/2011 5:59:59 PM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: muawiyah

Still, no point of source was established nor stated, only inferred by the city. The State apparently is not conducting testing or has tested and found nothing, otherwise they would have joined the city. In a case of this magnatude, I doubt the State EPA is not 100% aware of exactly what is going on.

If the farmer is not being responsible he will get caught. It is not too difficult to adequately treat 4000 cow manure runnoff in an onsite aeriated lagoon, just like human poop. Which would just be another cost of the business. Odor does not mean pollution.


105 posted on 09/28/2011 6:04:10 PM PDT by dusttoyou (paulnutz/bachnutz/palinwishers are wee-weeing all over themselves, Foc nobama)
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To: Mr. Lucky
We are talking about the soil and rocks, not the watershed. You can drain east or west or whatever you want but when the great ice returns it will crush and grind the land there just the same as it does the exact same rock formations under Lake Michigan.

Regarding the watershed itself, the surface aquifer region covers 4 states. In some places it flows to the Mississippi, and in other places it flows towards Michigan, in other places it would have gone toward Lake Michigan but somebody flipped the direction of the Chicago river.

To a degree being in a watershed has some meaning ~ yet to folks in that watershed that which happens downstream may be particularly meaningless. Where they pump their well water from is of far greater importance.

Regarding corn yield in Wisconsin, I'd like to say "ha ha ha ha ha ha" but I won't. They have areas where you can grow corn. They have other areas where you can't.

For recent projections take a look at: http://www.agricommodityprices.com/futures_prices.php?id=270

106 posted on 09/28/2011 6:06:59 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mr. Lucky
We are down to 3 generations?

I know these guys are newcomers (at only 5 generations), but did we just lose two of them?

Heaven forfend!

107 posted on 09/28/2011 6:09:24 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: dusttoyou

Doc Michaels said you have to place an impermeable clay barrier UNDER IT.


108 posted on 09/28/2011 6:13:56 PM PDT by muawiyah
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To: Mr. Lucky

Not so uniform. I have seen first hand the DNR prevent a homeowner from draining standing water off of their land and then turn a blind eye to a developer who wants to do the same.

It depends on who you are and whose palm is outstretched waiting for you to cross it with silver.


109 posted on 09/28/2011 6:28:42 PM PDT by afraidfortherepublic
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To: Diana in Wisconsin
City slicker a-holes. They don't call Wisconsin "The Dairy State" for nothing.

I grew up in farm country. I love those smells. They smell like money.

110 posted on 09/28/2011 9:42:48 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard
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To: muawiyah

Well, cows range widely...


111 posted on 09/28/2011 11:17:30 PM PDT by JDW11235
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To: dusttoyou
Two incredible odors ~ (1) After a tornado has hit several settlement basins (whether industrial, municipal or agricultural) ~ and (2) Driving through Eastern Kentucky on the day somebody burned down an outhouse that'd been in service several generations too long.

Those are the only two that actually beat out "down wind of a pulp mill" or "Eli Lilly on Sunday afternoon".

112 posted on 09/29/2011 1:52:27 AM PDT by muawiyah
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