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Is Operation Twist already working?
Marketwatch ^ | 9.29.11 | Staff

Posted on 09/29/2011 9:35:55 AM PDT by Free Vulcan

Less than 10 days after the Federal Reserve announced a reprise of the “Operation Twist“ strategy it first used half a century ago, mortgage rates are at all-time lows.

Operation Twist is the Fed’s plan to squeeze the long end of the yield curve by buying long-term Treasurys instead of short-term ones — in other words, increasing demand and lowering the rates for long-term borrowing.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: default; economy; inflation; interest; mortgage; rates; trap; twist
More papering over the problem.
1 posted on 09/29/2011 9:36:01 AM PDT by Free Vulcan
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To: Free Vulcan
Is Operation Twist already working?

Yeah. It's so unfreakingbelievably incredible, that it affect cap goods orders placed a month before it was announced.

This is all you need to know about "twist," imho:

This is a European bailout, plain and simple.

2 posted on 09/29/2011 9:48:19 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: Free Vulcan

The Fed has exchanged short-term debt for long-term debt.

Once US creditors have been locked into long-term treasuries, they will be wiped out by inflation.

US treasury issuance has turned into a Venus fly-trap.


3 posted on 09/29/2011 9:57:53 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: agere_contra
Once US creditors have been locked into long-term treasuries, they will be wiped out by inflation.

Except that there's a market and they will sell into it. That will raise interest rates astronomically. The only answer will be digging the easement and twisting hole deeper or speeding up the inflation to make it impossible to avoid (e.g. overnight devaluation).

4 posted on 09/29/2011 10:00:37 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: Free Vulcan

It’s working for us. We’re refinancing for the second time in a year. Our 15 year will be under 3.25. Unbelievable.


5 posted on 09/29/2011 10:05:24 AM PDT by p. henry
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To: the invisib1e hand
Twist isn't a European bailout.

The European bailout is the Feds promise and actions to provide the ECB with unlimited dollars in exchange for euro-denominated Sovereign debt that could end up being worthless.

6 posted on 09/29/2011 10:21:17 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: palmer
Well said: Operation Twist is not a long term solution. It's a way of herding Federal debt into a box-canyon where it can be treated with one policy.

I believe that the intent is (once inflation becomes obvious) for the Fed to buy these LT treasuries back: probably by declaring that they will 'preserve the long-term interest rate'.

By setting a target rate which they protect, rather than an amount they will buy, they can effectively use one policy to implement QE for ever: and the whole process is just complex enough a) not to be obvious money printing and b) allow kickbacks to selected partners of the FED.

7 posted on 09/29/2011 10:23:54 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: green iguana
Twist isn't a European bailout. The European bailout is the Feds promise and actions to provide the ECB with unlimited dollars in exchange for euro-denominated Sovereign debt that could end up being worthless.

Oh, I see. So how will the dollars get there, and the euro-denominated sovereign debt get to the Fed, by magic?

8 posted on 09/29/2011 10:26:28 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Well, if you call electronic banking magic, then yes.


9 posted on 09/29/2011 10:30:40 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: agere_contra

Only diamonds are forever and QE ain’t no diamond.


11 posted on 09/29/2011 10:38:32 AM PDT by palmer (Before reading this post, please send me $2.50)
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To: the invisib1e hand
IIRC Obama arranged it so that the US runs a line-of-credit to the IMF: not a lump sum. If I'm right, that's the way in which you will get to keep Greek pensioners and Transnational bankers in the luxury to which they have become accustomed.

But I admit I may be misremembering. My head's spinning just trying to keep track of who's paying what to whom with whose money. Who would have thought stealing money from the tax-payers would be so complex?

12 posted on 09/29/2011 10:40:52 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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To: green iguana

the Fed moves money by buying and selling securities.


13 posted on 09/29/2011 10:44:11 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand (...then they came for the guitars, and we kicked their sorry faggot asses into the dust)
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To: the invisib1e hand

I didn’t expect you to be satisfied with my pithy response - sarcasm begets that from me.

Are you familiar with finance? Do you understand what a swap is, or an LTRO?


14 posted on 09/29/2011 10:46:41 AM PDT by green iguana
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To: Free Vulcan

So now you can get a historically cheap mortgage that you have almost zero chance of qualifying for. Thanks a bunch!


15 posted on 09/29/2011 10:46:41 AM PDT by Buckeye McFrog
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To: palmer

Naturally not.

A QE process couched as protecting an interest rate has far more political longevity than the previous lump-sum arrangement: but in the end people are going to run, not walk, from the devaluing dollar and it all becomes moot.

The Fed can protect either the dollar or the interest rate. And we know which they will choose.


16 posted on 09/29/2011 10:48:31 AM PDT by agere_contra ("Debt is the foundation of destruction" : Sarah Palin.)
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