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Herman Cain in May: Don't Kill Anwar al-Awlaki (Get out the Popcorn)
The Atlantic ^ | October 3, 2011 | Chris Good

Posted on 10/03/2011 10:32:55 AM PDT by Captain Kirk

The killing on Friday of Anwar al-Awlaki, a U.S. citizen described as a powerful al-Qaeda terrorist, has stirred considerable debate about whether it's appropriate for a president to order an American assassinated.

Evidently, Republican presidential candidate Herman Cain shares those concerns.

The above video was recorded just after the first nationally televised GOP presidential debate of the 2012 campaign cycle, held in Greenville South Carolina on May 5 of this year, according to its YouTube page.

"He should be charged. And since he's an American citizen, he should be tried in our courts," Cain said of al-Awlaki. When asked if he considered it legal for President Obama to order al-Awlaki killed, Cain said, "In his case, no, because he's an American citizen."

It has been known since early 2010 that the CIA and the U.S. military's special-operations division maintain kill lists with three to four Americans on them. Al-Awlaki, a U.S.-born cleric, was on the list. He was reportedly killed in Yemen on Friday in a U.S. drone and jet strike. A classified Department of Justice memo authorized the killing, The Washington Post reported.

(Excerpt) Read more at theatlantic.com ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs
KEYWORDS: alawlaki; assassination; cain; paul
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To: Captain Kirk

Should he have been killed, yes, was it lawful under the constitution, no, but then giving him citizenship because of accident of birth was wrong as well. By blacks law he was a citizen of his fathers country.


141 posted on 10/03/2011 12:04:26 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: jgge
Are we seriously going to consider voting for someone to be President, the most powerful job in the world, when he has never ran for an elected office before?

To the point of your question, YES! Thats who we need. No more political/Washington insiders.

To the accuracy of your question, Herman Cain ran for the US Senate in Georgia back in 2004.

142 posted on 10/03/2011 12:05:59 PM PDT by Tatze (I reject your reality and substitute my own!)
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To: sklar

Ahh, yes another one comes out of the woodwork.

I guess you think the founding fathers wanted career politicians in all branches of government.

The President is an executive position. He should have such experience. No where does it say he is required to be a life long politician.

Career politicians tend to have ties to groups/corporations that don’t have our best interest in mind.


143 posted on 10/03/2011 12:07:35 PM PDT by CSI007
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To: eak3
This whole things shows you how badly the citizenship by location of birth sucks., but you are correct, you either believe in the Constitution are you do not.
144 posted on 10/03/2011 12:07:58 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: MNJohnnie

So, basically are you saying that the president should never be able to sanction the non-judicial killing of someone like Awlaki or any other U.S. citizen who takes up arms against his own country no matter the circumstances?


145 posted on 10/03/2011 12:08:38 PM PDT by driftless2
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To: jgge

Gingrich? You have a very short memory. I suggest that you do a little research on Mr. Gingrich.


146 posted on 10/03/2011 12:13:34 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: justsaynomore
I agree with Cain. If we go down this slippery slope of saying government can assasinate any citizen, without due process, what’s to stop a nefarious government from targeting tea partiers?

The trouble is that there are two versions of Cain you could agree with. The older version took this position. The more recent version said he agreed with Obama. I prefer a candidate (Paul or Johnson) who is consistent on this issue.

147 posted on 10/03/2011 12:16:16 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Captain Kirk
If Anwar al-Awlaki were captured, he should have been brought back to the US and tried for treason.

Out in the battlefield, with the other side, he's another target.

148 posted on 10/03/2011 12:19:19 PM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: driftless2

That doesn’t wash. All these folks had been charged (and at least in the case of Dillinger) convicted of crimes. BTW, Dillinger was given a chance to surrender before he was gunned down. Regardless, it was a very different case.


149 posted on 10/03/2011 12:19:33 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: org.whodat; MNJohnnie
From what I've seen, Al-Awlaki advised or helped train several 9/11 hijackers and various other terrorists who have killed or tried to kill Americans. Is it your position that the US government cannot kill an American citizen who has actively taken up arms abroad in a foreign country, even if Congress specifically authorized the use of force against anyone who "planned, authorized, committed or aided" the 9/11 attacks? If you don't like that, was the US government violating the Constitution by killing American citizens who fought for Germany or Japan in WWII, even though Congress had declared war?

And I still don't think anyone's answered this -- what was the US supposed to do? Should we have tried sending in US soldiers into an unfriendly country to arrest someone we could easily take out by drone? How many US soldiers' lives should we have sacrificed trying to capture this guy? And if we couldn't capture him, should we have allowed him to continue training terrorists and planning attacks, all because we couldn't arrest him?
150 posted on 10/03/2011 12:21:28 PM PDT by DTxAg
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To: parisa

Unfortunately, Cain, who most recently praised Obama’s action, doesn’t “thoroughly” agree with the most recent version of Cain on this issue.


151 posted on 10/03/2011 12:21:34 PM PDT by Captain Kirk
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To: Scotsman will be Free
This is very, very treacherous ground we are treading on here.

The guy publicly renounced his citizenship and was plotting attacks against the US. He was a spiritual leader for an enemy that declared war against America and killed 3000 of our people on 9-11. I don't see a slippery slope here. Better we kill al-Awalaki via drone than be forced to risk American lives trying to arrest and mirandize him in the middle of the mountains in Yemen. It's not like our law enforcement agencies have any reach there, so it's take him out from the air or let him continue engineering attacks against us.

By the way, were you a chopper pilot?

Nope, not me.

152 posted on 10/03/2011 12:22:20 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Labyrinthos

Spilled Milk.

If we had captured him he would not have given us diddly.

You don’t really believe he hasn’t listened in to Obama’s no pain, no waterboarding BS do you?

He would have gotten an American trial since he is American , A smart lawyer and he would have been back in Muslim country doing the same thing he was doing when he got nailed.

No: I believe he is right where he belongs right now.


153 posted on 10/03/2011 12:22:30 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: jessduntno

How do you expect we would have dug anythiong out of him? Waterboarding is out of the question under our Muslim President. Do you think he would have sat in a nice air conditioned cell in Gitmo and volunteered to tell us?

Sure it would have been nice to know, and I would have put him on a rack upside down and poured water into his nose until he sang like a bird, but we don’t do things like that any more , Bamaboy doesn’t like his friends questioned with methods that get answers.


155 posted on 10/03/2011 12:25:32 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: eak3

I agree with you. I am OK with killing him, but only if the Executive Branch gets oversight.

Anwar al-Awlaki did not just surface today firing a gun at troops. He is a known enemy. Therefore, there was plenty of time to go to something like a three-judge panel with the evidence to declare him an enemy combatant.

Then, if he pops up, you can take him out.

If the President can arbitrarily decide which US Citizens are enemy combatants, just think of that power in Obama & Holder’s hands right after an Oklahoma City Bombing scenario.


156 posted on 10/03/2011 12:26:30 PM PDT by Erik Latranyi (FReepers assemble into a circular firing squad while Romney gets coronated.)
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To: jessduntno

We should also keep in mind who is the person ordering the military strikes. What is best for the U.S. isn’t always on the mind of the CinC that is currently occupying the WH.


157 posted on 10/03/2011 12:31:26 PM PDT by SoldierDad (Proud dad of an Army Soldier currently deployed in the Valley of Death, Afghanistan)
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To: DTxAg
We should have gone to court and removed his citizenship. This was not done because it might have brought a court ruling the government did not like. But that would have been the first step.
158 posted on 10/03/2011 12:33:42 PM PDT by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by Perry and his fellow democrats.)
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To: sanjuanbob
Cain is right on this. Yes, "American safety first" but we've now lost the chance for intensive interrogation to possibly gain information that would save many American lives.

Does no one remember John Walker Lindh aka Johnny Jihad? We didn't execute him 10 years ago, although many wanted it done. That, of course, was during W's administration. As an American citizen, he was entitled to and got his day in court. He was tried, sentenced and could get out as early as 2019. We may not be happy with that, but this is still America.

159 posted on 10/03/2011 12:35:22 PM PDT by bgill (There, happy now?)
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To: Captain Kirk

Whatever you say, Awlaki did nothing violent against America but conspire. He should have at least had a perfunctory trial in absentia where they condemned him to the death penalty.


160 posted on 10/03/2011 12:40:42 PM PDT by struggle
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