Betting on Rick Perry - a winner in a GOP year, with no need in the world to win liberal approval

The American Spectator | October 2011 | John H. Fund

[magritte]

Actually, Romney can get 1200 delegates without any southern votes. He has plenty of money to get through non-consequential states like IA, NH, and SC and can reach the delegate rich states of NY, CA, the Northeast and Southwest.

[shield]

Well...I just go vote where I live we go to the same place and vote either in the dem area or the repulican area for primaries...in the general we all vote together.

[af_vet_rr]

Actually, Romney can get 1200 delegates without any southern votes. He has plenty of money to get through non-consequential states like IA, NH, and SC and can reach the delegate rich states of NY, CA, the Northeast and Southwest.

Jim Robinson had it right few days ago: "If Romney is the GOP candidate, I’m no longer a Republican." That's exactly how I see it.

But Romney would have to get awful lucky. He's had the media pimping him and Perry as the only GOP candidates, but it's not quite working the way they intended and things are starting to fall apart. By all rights, Romney and Perry should have pulled far ahead of the field, and instead, they aren't, not even close. They should have especially pulled far away from Cain - he has a fraction of the name recognition they do and the media has been downplaying his accomplishments. But they haven't pulled away. Which is why I think the Perry camp is so nervous and trying to make this out to be that if you don't support Perry, you support Romney.

[shield]

The meeting took place and Perry X’ed the TTC. Doesn't matter who the guy was or who he took money from. The fact is the meeting took place is credible and verifiable. I understand you have something else you'd like to hang on and believe...that is not my problem but yours. But these are facts and the truth.

[JoenTX]

A Mormon can easily win the GOP primary.

A Jewish person, a Catholic, a Muslim, or an Agnostic could just as easily win it if they have the ideals and panache to do it. Two of the biggest GOP rising stars right now are Jindal and Haley.......both Indian. No regard to their religion is or should be played. What’s in their head and comes out of their mouths matters.

Malkin is Phillipino (I assume Catholic, no?) and I’d vote for her in a heartbeat.

Religion does not similarly equate to stance on positions and actions in office. JFK was a Catholic and just as “conservative” as many in the GOP race today. Hell, I could vote for him today without pause.

Romney can win the GOP primary. So could a few other people. But I am not, and will not, invest personally in any of them and neither should anyone else lest they become beholden and deeply disappointed. That is all.

[CynicalBear]

>> I don't know about your numbers but I do know:<<

David Stein is naïve at best. He tries to establish that the sect of Islam that Aga Kahn leads is a moderate sect. That may be well and true but they are still Muslim, Islam is their religion, the Quran is their holy book and Sharia is their law. Those who are supporters of Perry will try to tell us that the sect Aga Kahn leads are not a threat to this country. Don’t fall for it. ALL Muslims must follow the Quran unless they are lying to deceive you (which is sanctioned in the Quran and I’ll show that here) until they gain large enough numbers and influence.

Now let’s look at some of their holy book. I’ll shock you in a little bit with the Sharia law aspect in Texas.

The "Religion of Truth" (Islam) must prevail, by force if necessary, over all other religions. 9:33

If you refuse to fight for Allah, he will punish you with a painful doom. 48:16

Sura (8:12) - "I will cast terror into the hearts of those who disbelieve. Therefore strike off their heads and strike off every fingertip of them"

Sura (9:123) - "O you who believe! fight those of the unbelievers who are near to you and let them find in you hardness."

Sura (8:39) - "And fight with them until there is no more persecution and religion should be only for Allah"

This is bottom line for ALL Muslims. There may be those who will try to fool you into believing they are “moderate” but theirs is the task of infiltration into societies until they are a large enough society to take over.

Let’s look at the aspect of lying to further the cause of Islam.

Qur’an (16:106) - Establishes that there are circumstances that can “compel” a Muslim to tell a lie.

Qur’an (3:28) - This verse tells Muslims not to take those outside the faith as friends, unless it is to “guard themselves.”

Qur’an (2:225) - “Allah will not call you to account for thoughtlessness in your oaths, but for the intention in your hearts”

Qur’an (66:2) - “Allah has already ordained for you, (O men), the dissolution of your oaths”

Now let’s look at how far Perry has allowed Shria law to infiltrate the legal system in Texas. The following case (website included) should scare the crap out of you if you are an American Patriot and especially anyone who is truly a conservative.

It’s a divorce case but I’ll include a line that should get your attention.

Here’s the line from the case document found at the site.

On September 25, 2002, all five parties signed an "Arbitration Agreement." This document recites, in full, that the parties:

after consultation with their respective attorneys, agree to submit all claims and disputes among them to arbitration by the TEXAS ISLAMIC COURT, 888 s. Greenville Ave., suite 188, Richardson, Texas, as follows:

I’ll bet you didn’t know there was already a “TEXAS ISLAMIC COURT” did you.

http://www.2ndcoa.courts.state.tx.us/opinions/htmlopinion.asp?OpinionId=14601

Don’t let people tell you that a “little bit of Islam” ok or that “they are moderate Muslims”. Muslims and Islam are NOT compatible with a Free Republic or our Constitution.

[magritte]

Unfortunately, Cain/Bachmann/Santorum can’t compete in CA, NY, etc during the Primary. Not enough cash, too conservative. Romney is taking the McCain path and it’s wide open for him.

Seriously, who can get in his way?

[Dagnabitt]

He’s got to figure out stringing nouns and verbs together to form coherent thoughts verbally first.

Just because he hasn't managed to do so in his first 61 years is no reason for concern. The convention is months away. Now check out his steely gaze!

[af_vet_rr]

The meeting took place and Perry X’ed the TTC. Doesn't matter who the guy was or who he took money from. The fact is the meeting took place is credible and verifiable. I understand you have something else you'd like to hang on and believe...that is not my problem but yours. But these are facts and the truth.

It does matter who the guy took money from. And it does matter that Perry tried to push the TTC in the first place. If Obama tried to push the TTC, people would be in the streets. Perry does it, but we rebuffed him, so it's no harm, no foul. Guess what? I don't want a Republican that we have to constantly force to be a Conservative, and a true Conservative would never have tried to force the TTC on us in the first place. A true Conservative would definitely have not tried to use a foreign company as the primary contractor as well. That was just spitting in our faces.

Why can't we have a Conservative that we can trust not to try and do things like the TTC, the Gardisil crap, supporting La Raza, etc., etc., etc.?

Are Conservatives in such short supply that we can accept Republicans who think it's okay to take half a million acres from Texans and have some foreign company come in and build a huge corridor from Mexico to Oklahoma? Don't forget that within a year of the TTC being killed off, Perry was out there preaching the gospel of property rights. That's the kind of hypocrisy that actually kind of fascinates me about Perry. People make him out to be stupid, but not many politicians could go for a half a million acre land grab and then be talking about respecting private property rights a year later.

[af_vet_rr]

I don't know where race came into this - race has nothing to do with it, and as far as dragging Jindal or Haley into this, well Jindal is Catholic and Haley is Methodist or Baptist. If they were Hindu, atheist, Muslim, Mormon, or Scientologist, I'm pretty sure they wouldn't have the support they do.

But there is a lot of us that would not support Romney based on religion, because religion does have an impact on your decisions. And for that matter, I wouldn't vote for an atheist, scientologists, or muslim either. Maybe I'm some prejudiced old coot, but I'm just not going to do it. I thought I could and in the past said I could vote for Romney if he somehow won the nomination, but after several recent conversations and some thinking on the matter, I don't think I can. While I believe in the separation of church and state, especially after having been stationed in Saudi Arabia and elsewhere, I can't support somebody whose belief system is radically different than mine.

Some may think me a bad person for having such religious views, but that's okay, they are the not the ones who will be judging me when all is said and done.

[JoenTX]

Magritte, here’s the deal.

Of the serious contenders....Romney, Perry, Cain, even Newt.......Romney has said the least to insult my intelligence and done the least for me to question his candidacy.

I’ve declared for no one and have invested myself in no personalities. Romney is a soft Eastern Republican with giant shades of 1960s GOP.......but he hasn’t completely insulted or peaved me off. I have some respect for that, in the least.

Palin is a tease running a financial campaign. Perry is my governor who I have real reservations about. Cain is nice......but no real money or organization. Santorum is awesome, but, he just never catches fire.

That’s what it comes down to for me.

[af_vet_rr]

He may be an average-decent speaker from prepared copy, et al, but he’s (clearly) not one to speak spontaneously in any clear or convincing manner. He stumbles, mumbles, and rambles too much. Sounds kinda like an idiot.

I don't think he's an idiot in general, but I don't think he is ready for what's after the primaries. He needs a Karl Rove to get him through this and he doesn't have one. He needs to stick to whatever script they come up with, because when he goes off the script, he gets in trouble.

I'm reminded of when he spoke in front of a Tea Party gathering and made a comment about some folks supporting secession. If you look at what he actually said, he was never in favor of supporting secession. The people claiming he supported secession were lying, but the media ran with it though, and Perry freaked out and issued a very strong press release from the Governor's office saying that he would never support secession. Look at his performances during his 2010 election, not very articulate when speaking off-the-cuff or giving interviews, having to explain himself later on or just dodging the issue. His stumbling through that question about abstinence last year during the Texas Tribune was just painful, but we've seen the same thing before. Jump ahead to the debate last month and the heartless comment he made. Media goes crazy, Perry's response was to stumble into a non-apology that pissed off some people even more.

You can't do that kind of stuff in a general election, you just can't. The media and your opponent will tear you to shreds.

[JoenTX]

I don’t stick myself upon religion.

I am a “white boy” in Texas who grew up ranching with guns and with a dad who told organized religion to take a hike because of the BS.

I don’t give a damn about Protestant or Catholic or Hindu or Buddhist. Makes not a shard to me. What does make a Damn to me is the basics of the Ten Commandments and the Golden Rule. The Commandments are simplifications of Hammurabi’s Code and the Golden Rule is just the simple rule of life, irregardless of crede.

[af_vet_rr]

You’re a better man than I am.

[shield]

More bias bs...let's get the facts straight.

Perry did not conceive of this thing, congress did. They passed in pieces beginning in, I believe, 1991. Bush signed it in 2002. This was the I69 portion and federally mandated. Perry’s part in this was bringing in “arms” of this I69 corridor, both the legislature and voters approved. The thing didn’t become a disaster until TXdot staked it out and farmers realized eminent domain was going to walk all over them. This was not Perry’s fault. I posted a link of the truth which you will not accept.

But then since you continue to hold on to untruths...what's the point of this discussion...you've made of your mind and so far facts are not important to you. So I end this discussion.

[wiley]

That’s exactly why the US military should go in.

[af_vet_rr]

Perry’s part in this was bringing in “arms” of this I69 corridor, both the legislature and voters approved.

Are you saying that Rick Perry did not write to Transportation Commission Chairman John Johnson on January 30, 2002 with Perry's vision for the Trans-Texas Corridor, and that Rick Perry did not ask the Commission to work with the "top talent" of TxDOT to come up with a plan in 90 days for working on the TTC?

[stephenjohnbanker]

” You’re a spinner Liz, I’ll give you that.

Perry will seal the border and grow a conservative ascendancy as he has here in Texas.

Your lies have been discounted over and over”

1) Liz doesn’t lie.

2) YOU spin, Liz posts FACTS, along with her trademark wit.

3) Liz has been here since 1997.

4) Trashing doctrinaire conservatives to boost your RINO probably isn’t a good idea.