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'Furious' mess has Justice in full panic
New York Post ^ | October 6, 2011 | Michael A. Walsh

Posted on 10/06/2011 9:44:10 AM PDT by opentalk

So now the Fast and Furious affair has reached Stage 2 of the classic Washington scandal: House Republicans have called for a special counsel to investigate Attorney General Eric Holder himself for possible perjury.

Justice Department documents indicate that Holder knew of the operation way back in July 2010 --far earlier than the “in the last few weeks” that he told congressional investigators under oath last May.

Memos from Assistant Attorney General Lanny Breuer and others to Holder clearly show the scope, if not the nature, of the disastrous project: “This investigation, initiated in September 2009 . . . involves . . . straw purchasers [who] are responsible for the purchase of 1,500 firearms that were then supplied to Mexican drug cartels.”

That’s the crux of the Department of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives’ infamous “gunwalking” program, allegedly designed to track illegal gun sales to Mexican drug gangs by turning a blind eye toward, and possibly facilitating, arms sales in Arizona and elsewhere. The death toll so far is more than 200.

(Excerpt) Read more at m.nypost.com ...


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; Government
KEYWORDS: atf; banglist; castaway; cia; corruption; dea; democrats; dhs; doj; dojisajoke; fastandfurious; fbi; fraud; gunrunner; gunrunning; gunwalker; holder; ice; mexicandrugcartels; murder; obama; obamaadministration; perjury

1 posted on 10/06/2011 9:44:12 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: MestaMachine

Ping


2 posted on 10/06/2011 9:47:27 AM PDT by thouworm (.)
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To: opentalk

Pistols with a single bullet in them on the desk of everyone involved in this travesty.


3 posted on 10/06/2011 9:50:09 AM PDT by SZonian (July 27, 2010. Life begins anew.)
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To: opentalk

It sounds like CBS is pushing their reporter to change the meme to “Well, Bush did it too...”.

If it is true that the F&F weapons(and many other similar gunwalking operations by Holder’s ATF)had no tracking capabilities enabled, that would defy all their claims about this being a sting operation gone bad. Did Bush’s gunwalking operations use trackable weapons?


4 posted on 10/06/2011 9:51:22 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: opentalk

The documents revealed to date indicate that Holder and Obama both knew of this injustice. Time to Prosecute and punish (imprison) both.

There is a pinciple that neither understand or are willing to live by; “The Commander is responsible for all that happens under their Command, Good or Bad.”


5 posted on 10/06/2011 9:52:11 AM PDT by SandRat (Duty - Honor - Country! What else needs said?)
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To: SZonian

No, we need them to be locked in jail or executed after due process - and only after the whole story has been exposed. One of my fears is that F&F witnesses will start “committing suicide” much like Vince Foster did: with dried blood drips that would have had to run uphill for the position he was in when they found him.

Anybody who IS involved might find this a good time to start singing so they can get some protections before this happens to them.


6 posted on 10/06/2011 9:56:41 AM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: vette6387; MetaThought; 60Gunner; XHogPilot; FreedomPoster; Josephat; Prince of Space; ...


JUST DO IT!

7 posted on 10/06/2011 10:01:18 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: opentalk

Well the White House screaming at Sharyl Attkisson CBS reporter seems to have scared CBS.


8 posted on 10/06/2011 10:02:20 AM PDT by F15Eagle (1 John 5:4-5, 4:15, 5:13; John 3:17-18, 6:69, 11:25, 14:6, 20:31; Rom10:8-11; 1 Tim 2:5; Titus 3:4-5)
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To: opentalk

Face it, unless the majority of the MSM Obama boot lickers decide to go forward on this, hard and heavy, it will peter out.

Theoretically I suppose the Republicans in congress could go on indefinitely with investigations. They could even shut down House business until action is taken. They won’t do either. The Republicans don’t have the balls to turn this into a 24/7 news story.

Suppose Holder appoints a prosecutor? Takes no imagination to predict the outcome there. A whitewash that will follow with the media and all the libs saying “move on, case closed”.

IMO, unless the media turns on Zero in a very big way (not a chance) this will go away.


9 posted on 10/06/2011 10:11:17 AM PDT by ChildOfThe60s ( If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: butterdezillion
I heard Fox repeating this Bush did it too defense, sounds like it is false

Gunwalker: Gunning Down the ‘Bush Did It, Too’ Lie

The Bush Justice Department ran a sting operation intended to interdict weapons. Guns were never allowed to walk.

Wide Receiver sought to track and interdict guns being smuggled south using a combination of RFID-tracking devices embedded in the shipments and overheard surveillance aircraft.

10 posted on 10/06/2011 10:11:24 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: SZonian

With instructions.........


11 posted on 10/06/2011 10:11:37 AM PDT by Red Badger (Furthermore, I think Obama must be impeached....................)
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To: opentalk

Sting operations can sound similar. For example if two operations were being done to catch drug dealers but one CAUGHT the dealers - and the other one (designed the same) put drugs in the hands of drug lords and NEVER arrested anyone - they would be VERY different operations...


12 posted on 10/06/2011 10:14:00 AM PDT by GOPJ (Bibi would go toe to toe with the devil if it was the only way to save his beloved Israel.)
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To: butterdezillion
more from Pajamas media link

...Wide Receiver failed because of the limitations of the technology used, compounded by the ineptness of its installation and the unexpected resourcefulness of the cartel’s gun smugglers.

As a result of the mistakes made in Wide Receiver, guns were lost: approximately 450 made it into Mexico. As a result, the botched operation launched in 2006 — and in this instance, actually botched — was shut down in 2007

Fast and Furious used neither tracking devices nor aircraft, ran interference for smugglers with local law enforcement on multiple occasions, and federal agents were not allowed to interdict weapons.

Wide Receiver shut down within a year after 450 weapons went missing in a botched law enforcement operation. Fast and Furious purposefully ran at least 2,020 weapons to the Sinaloa cartel without any intention of arresting the straw purchasers and smugglers.


13 posted on 10/06/2011 10:17:09 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: opentalk

Pshaw! No problemo.

It just depends on what the meaning of “last few weeks” is.

Holder needs to talk to Clinton.


14 posted on 10/06/2011 10:23:31 AM PDT by Ole Okie (Drill, baby, drill!)
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To: opentalk
Adding this to the thread, as a another example of a pattern of corruption. Holder/Obama administration willing to ignore the law.

..the reason Holder dropped the New Black Panther Case.

......Among those appearing with Obama was Shabazz, the Panther leader who was one of the defendants in the voter intimidation case that Attorney General Eric Holder dismissed.

link

15 posted on 10/06/2011 10:24:53 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: butterdezillion

This is about perjury now. The senior law enforcement players in the Obama Justice Department committing perjury on video and in writing multiple times....

This makes the Nixon thing look small and CBS is being blamed for it....funny....in this case “deep throat” will be one of the folks on the indictment and it will be an e-mail....with a candlestick in the library.


16 posted on 10/06/2011 10:29:30 AM PDT by colonialhk (Put them in green jails doing green jobs)
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To: butterdezillion

In the case of Bush, they were targeting a couple of people (fly-by-night unlicensed dealers) who sold guns that they knew were going directly to the Mexican drug gangs, and were selling large quantities of them to known Mexican gang members. None of the guns ever made it out of the country, and the guns (and the people) were apprehended as soon as the deal was closed.

Also, it wasn’t a set-up (F&F forced legitimate dealers to sell guns to people they knew were involved in crime and weren’t supposed to have them).


17 posted on 10/06/2011 10:39:25 AM PDT by livius
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To: opentalk
Republicans Say Holder Received at Least 5 Fast and Furious Memos

Top congressional Republicans said Thursday that Attorney General Eric Holder received at least five weekly memos starting in July 2010 about the controversial gunrunning probe known as Operation Fast and Furious, though he claimed this past May he only learned of the operation a few weeks prior.

Sen. Chuck Grassley, R-Iowa, and Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Calif., released a series of heavily redacted memos apparently sent to Holder from Michael Walther, the director of the National Drug Intelligence Center. They appear to describe an operation involving the straw purchase of hundreds of firearms that went to Mexican drug cartels.

18 posted on 10/06/2011 10:42:26 AM PDT by opentalk
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To: livius
The death toll so far is more than 200.

If Mexico did this to us Congress would declare War.

19 posted on 10/06/2011 11:10:13 AM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: opentalk

When is Obama going to throw Black Panther defender, Fast and Furious liar and ultimate racist Holder under the canadian Barry Soetero bus? This is nw perjury and Obama defending Holder is a lie to the American people. Bald faced lies.


20 posted on 10/06/2011 11:15:47 AM PDT by Karliner ("That hound don't hunt. : Herman Cain. Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Deut 6:4, Isa 14:1)
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To: opentalk

When is Obama going to throw Black Panther defender, Fast and Furious liar and ultimate racist Holder under the canadian Barry Soetero bus? This is new perjury and Obama defending Holder is a lie to the American people. Bald faced lies.


21 posted on 10/06/2011 11:16:05 AM PDT by Karliner ("That hound don't hunt. : Herman Cain. Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Deut 6:4, Isa 14:1)
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To: Lurker
If Mexico did this to us Congress wshould declare War, but probably wouldn't. We haven't "declared war" since, what, WWII?
22 posted on 10/06/2011 11:16:26 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Karliner

I wouldn’t doubt that Holder has some “goods” on 0bama, maybe even proof of place of birth,

so Holder won’t get any “0bama bus tracks” on his back.


23 posted on 10/06/2011 11:18:24 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: opentalk

The Negro Nazi Party expects their Chocolate Reich to last longer than 4 years.


24 posted on 10/06/2011 11:19:14 AM PDT by MikeSteelBe (Austrian Hitler was as the Halfrican Hitler does.)
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To: MrB
Oh I'm sure Holder ran that whole obfuscation deal hiding and burn bagging Barry's life so only his dopey auto Boigraphies will be the only history of him.

Problem is there's some whistle blower that need a shot of courage to blow this thing all to hell where it belongs. But I think from what I've read issa has the goods as per memos on holder so he's either gonig sown or in for a very rocky ride. The TEA partiers are now at the WH doorsteps and the scum of the earth are protestiong with thugs against Wall Street? go figure.

Again I don't doubt for an instant Holder knows where all the skeltons lay/lie but if Holder goes down I do not think he'll have the intestinal fortitude to go down alone unless Obama has a back door contract the Chicago way:

Obama: Look Eric BABEEE...Youse do time for me yo and you be a rich man when you make your bones in the slammer, hold line Holder"

"*click," Yeah Mac make sure Holder gets that nice bed in cellblock #9 where Bluto Shank man will silence him, thanks bye now.*click*

Hey Holder man, you still there? You have no problems I have it all set up if jail time you'll be protected, I PROMISE you..

*click*"

Cue Godfather theme song

25 posted on 10/06/2011 11:31:20 AM PDT by Karliner ("That hound don't hunt. : Herman Cain. Jeremiah 29:11, Romans 8:28, Deut 6:4, Isa 14:1)
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To: Karliner

The Italian Mob was the essence of class and civility compared to this bunch of thugs.


26 posted on 10/06/2011 11:37:37 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Exactly right. The GOP once again shows they have no balls and no brains, either.

The GOP truly is the Stupid Party. This scandal is full of real crimes that could make people do real time, and that’s why the GOP is going to assist the DOJ in sweeping this under a rug. This is now beyond political fun and games - someone with a Ivy League pedigree could go to prison over this — and we can’t have *that* happen.


27 posted on 10/06/2011 11:41:30 AM PDT by NVDave
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To: butterdezillion

IIRC the program started under Bush did have tracing enabled but under Obama that was discontinued.


28 posted on 10/06/2011 12:49:20 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: opentalk

IMPEACH OBAMA ! ! ! !


29 posted on 10/06/2011 12:51:12 PM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: opentalk

Holder LIED, Agents DIED!!!


30 posted on 10/06/2011 12:58:09 PM PDT by 2harddrive
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To: ChildOfThe60s

“Suppose Holder appoints a prosecutor? Takes no imagination to predict the outcome there.”

Probably true. Trial would occur in Washington D.C. It would be hard to get a conviction of Holder there even if they had a video of him conducting an illegal sale.


31 posted on 10/06/2011 1:17:03 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: Lurker

I believe Mexico is actually suing us. I hope that case takes off and forces Bambi and Holder out into the open.


32 posted on 10/06/2011 1:18:46 PM PDT by livius
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To: opentalk

Drip, drip, drip. Time is running out on Holder.


33 posted on 10/06/2011 1:29:57 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: opentalk
CBS has reportedly yanked Attkisson from further media appearances this week. But isn’t independent inquiry the function of a free press?
But that's just the point - we have "a free press," but we don't have independent presses. Instead we have one "Associated Press." Independence would imply that the objectivity of all newsmen cannot be taken for granted. Exhibit independence, therefore, and you are "not objective, not a journalist."
Nobody thought there was a story in Watergate, either, until Woodward and Bernstein proved otherwise.
But the difference there is that Woodward and Bernstein were after Republicans. And that is different. Republicans have (at least some of them, some of the time) principles other than going along and getting along with wire service journalism. Democrats don't.

34 posted on 10/06/2011 1:41:27 PM PDT by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: colonialhk

“This is about perjury now. The senior law enforcement players in the Obama Justice Department committing perjury on video and in writing multiple times....”

Obama only wishes it were about perjury. The underlying scandal may be a really really bad one. It will be harder to eliminate the underlying scandal with a couple of resignations than a an incident of perjury.


35 posted on 10/06/2011 2:10:44 PM PDT by ModelBreaker
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To: SZonian

Bad idea. These people aren’t shooters. They probably couldn’t operate the firearm, or, worse, might hurt someone else.


36 posted on 10/06/2011 2:55:48 PM PDT by Liberty Ship ("Lord, make me fast and accurate.")
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To: opentalk

Please provide the link, thank you.


37 posted on 10/06/2011 3:14:05 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I guess I'll keep living until I die.)
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To: opentalk

Please disregard prior post. sorry


38 posted on 10/06/2011 3:15:48 PM PDT by prairiebreeze (I guess I'll keep living until I die.)
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To: opentalk

Hopefully, they are forming a circular firing squad as we speak.


39 posted on 10/06/2011 4:35:55 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: chris_bdba

If that’s the case then Bush’s administration intended to try to catch the druglords and Obama’s didn’t. What WAS the reason for the Obama operation, if not to catch the druglords or keep track of those weapons in any way? What are the Obama people trying to hide by falsely claiming it was a sting operation?

That’s what the CBS reporter - and the rest of the world - needs a real answer to.

Two hundred plus people dead for the sake of a provably sheerly-political maneuver is a declaration of war against the people of the US and Mexico. I would say definitely impeachable.


40 posted on 10/06/2011 4:39:14 PM PDT by butterdezillion
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To: butterdezillion

Remember back I believe it was his first SOU address you know the one he did a mont or so after taking office instead of waiting the traditional year where he spoke of American guns fueling the drug war in Mexico.....


41 posted on 10/06/2011 6:53:02 PM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: chris_bdba

Holder will be under the bus soon.


42 posted on 10/07/2011 6:20:04 AM PDT by safetysign
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