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(Drudge) SHOCK POLL: SC Primary: Cain 26%, Romney 25%, Perry 15%
ARG ^ | 10-10-11 | American Research Group

Posted on 10/11/2011 7:37:00 AM PDT by tcrlaf

Drudge links to the ARG Polling Press Release:

Herman Cain leads the South Carolina Republican presidential primary with 26%. Cain is followed closely by Mitt Romney at 25%. Rick Perry is third at 15%.

In July, Romney was leading with 25%, followed by Sarah Palin at 16%, Michele Bachmann at 13%, and Herman Cain at 10%.

Among likely primary voters considering themselves to be Republicans, Cain and Romney are tied at 27% each, followed by Perry at 15%.

Among Tea Party supporters, Cain leads with 35%, followed by Perry at 16% and Romney at 15%.

Among those saying they are not Tea Party supporters or are undecided about the Tea Party, Romney leads with 33%, followed by Cain at 19%, Perry at 14%, and Ron Paul at 10%.

Details from the survey of 600 likely Republican primary voters conducted October 5-10 can be found here.


TOPICS: Front Page News; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: cain; hermancain; mittromney; poll; primary; rickperry; ronpaul; sc2012; southcarolina
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Gonna be an interesting debate tonite, I think.
1 posted on 10/11/2011 7:37:04 AM PDT by tcrlaf
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To: tcrlaf
Herman Cain

born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)

Parents were
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA

Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)

Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN

”Herman

Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!

2 posted on 10/11/2011 7:38:21 AM PDT by ASA Vet (Natural-born citizens, are those born in the country, of parents who are citizens. De Vattel)
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To: tcrlaf

The Perrywinkles will be jumping out of windows.


3 posted on 10/11/2011 7:38:52 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: tcrlaf

Time for the Perryites to join the Cain train.


4 posted on 10/11/2011 7:40:25 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Why? If we support such a piece of trash Rino as Perry why do you think we would back Cain and not Romney?
5 posted on 10/11/2011 7:42:15 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

I wonder if they’re going to keep screaming that if we don’t support Perry we’re going to get Romney and that Cain will never beat Romney hyperventilate....!


6 posted on 10/11/2011 7:42:23 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: ASA Vet

I love that picture.

The Cains make me smile.


7 posted on 10/11/2011 7:42:28 AM PDT by NeoCaveman (it has electrolytes. plants crave it)
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To: tcrlaf

Today’s debate (and the talk on that in the next few days) is the defining moment for Cain.

If he does well, he will emerge as the frontrunner and is seen as realistic GOP nominee.

This is also crucial test for Perry. If he can memorize more than 1 attack line, possible comprising two coherent sentences put together, he may be able to continue (and run for Pres of Mexico in 2014?).


8 posted on 10/11/2011 7:42:40 AM PDT by heiss (heartless)
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To: tcrlaf

Yes we Cain!!!!!!!


9 posted on 10/11/2011 7:43:14 AM PDT by crazydad
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To: tcrlaf

Romney is not looking strong. No matter how many candidates or potential candidates drop out, their supporters are looking for someone else and not turning to Romney. Mitt is a last choice for many who are trying to find an electable alternative (and not even a last choice for me - Romney will not get my vote because his big government views are too close to Obama’s). We just need to identify a single conservative or even moderate candidate who can win the nomination and the general election and then unite behind that not-Romney, not-liberal candidate. The purpose of the primaries and pre-primary debates is to help us find that best candidate, and this is working as designed.


10 posted on 10/11/2011 7:44:29 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Perry should drop out. He’s only helping Romney at this point.


11 posted on 10/11/2011 7:45:33 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: tcrlaf

Interesting. I suppose you are from South Carolina. Do you know if the SC primary is open, semi-open, or closed?


12 posted on 10/11/2011 7:45:33 AM PDT by ngat
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To: NeoCaveman
I love that picture. The Cains make me smile.

Me too. Herman and Gloria Cain have been married for 43 years and have two children. Herman Cain's early family life is quintessentially American... SO different from the weird, mysterious, yet-to-be-fully-known mess that was Obama's early years.

13 posted on 10/11/2011 7:46:09 AM PDT by ScottinVA (With "successes" like the Libya adventure, who needs failure?)
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To: ngat

It is an open primary.


14 posted on 10/11/2011 7:46:24 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: tcrlaf

“Herman Cain leads the South Carolina Republican presidential primary with 26%. Cain is followed closely by Mitt Romney at 25%. Rick Perry is third at 15%.”

I like to start the day with a smile.


15 posted on 10/11/2011 7:46:43 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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To: normy

“If we support such a piece of trash Rino as Perry why do you think we would back Cain and not Romney?”

Dunno. To beat Obama?


16 posted on 10/11/2011 7:47:11 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: tcrlaf

I want one of those 9 inch pizza’s 9 toppings for 9 bucks.

Huh?


17 posted on 10/11/2011 7:47:43 AM PDT by atc23 (The Confederacy was the single greatest conservative resistance to federal authority ever.)
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To: normy
Why? If we support such a piece of trash Rino as Perry why do you think we would back Cain and not Romney?

Maybe we're just hoping you'll come to your senses. Hope springs eternal.

18 posted on 10/11/2011 7:49:25 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: BarnacleCenturion
Romney can beat Obama and maybe Perry supporters are Rino's too.

By the way, I am not convinced Cain is a serious candidate. Oh, about a quarter or less of the Republican primary voters like him in October but I am not convinced he is in it to win it.

19 posted on 10/11/2011 7:50:55 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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What’s the matter with these people? Haven’t they heard the declarations from the bonehead pundits and the lamestream media that it’s a race just between Romney and Perry? < /sarcasm >


20 posted on 10/11/2011 7:53:01 AM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (I have already previewed or do not wish to preview this composition.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

“It is an open primary.”

Depending on the down-ticket races, and who stays in between now and the primary, they will have to poll the Democrats too in order to figure out what may happen. This race really could get crazy unpredictable.


21 posted on 10/11/2011 7:56:17 AM PDT by ngat
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To: tcrlaf

It’s all eyes on the Hermanator tonight. If he does well, he can begin pulling away from the pack.

Rock me like a HermanCain!


22 posted on 10/11/2011 7:56:24 AM PDT by kevao
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To: normy

I think Perry will energize the left and he could lose. I think Romney at this point is the safest bet to beat the disaster in the Oval Office. Cain would be the revolutionary moment many of us had been praying for. A complete reversal of what we are now enduring... I always said Cain was winning the debate... and now the polls.


23 posted on 10/11/2011 7:56:24 AM PDT by Republic Rocker
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Why not support Bachmann? Maybe Rick Santorum or even Newt.

i think Newt has the most experience of the candidates should Perry drop out and he has better plans that aren't hype. He also would surly eviscerate Obama in a debate. Bachman has a record of Conservatism and so does Santorum.

I'm not thrilled about a national sales tax and exemptions for empowerment zones.

24 posted on 10/11/2011 7:57:05 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: ASA Vet

Thanks for the reminder, ASA Vet! I suppose the MSM will dig, dig, dig, and we’ll be learning about every life event and seeing every report card, speeding ticket, etc. Hope they perform the same service for the Obama details.


25 posted on 10/11/2011 7:57:43 AM PDT by Genoa (Starve the beast.)
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To: tcrlaf

The Hermanator rules!


26 posted on 10/11/2011 7:58:24 AM PDT by auto power
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To: ASA Vet
Herman Cain grew up in Atlanta, Georgia with loving parents and little else. His father worked three jobs—as a janitor, a barber and a chauffeur—and his mother was a domestic worker. Even though these jobs required hard work and little glamour, his parents knew this life was better than the dirt farms upon which they grew up. They also knew that this hard work was the key to achieving their American Dreams.

Herman’s parents had two dreams. First, they wanted to own their own house. Secondly, they wanted both of their children to graduate from college. During the segregation era in the Deep South, these aspirations might have seemed lofty, but they knew that if they kept their faith in God, faith in themselves and faith in the greatest country on the Earth, they could achieve.

The first dream was realized in a modest brick house on Albert Street in Atlanta, Georgia. After years of saving from his many jobs, Herman’s father surprised the whole family, even his wife, by purchasing a home for their family. The second dream was realized when Herman graduated from Morehouse College with a degree in mathematics in 1967. His brother, Thurman, would go on to graduate from Morris Brown College.

Inspired by the work ethic and character of his parents, Herman continued his education by earning his Master’s degree in computer science from Purdue University while working full-time developing fire control systems for ships and fighter planes for the Department of the Navy. Though Herman enjoyed using his talents as a civilian employee for the Navy, he gravitated towards the culture of business.

Herman returned to his home of Atlanta to begin working as a computer systems analyst for the Coca-Cola Company. After considerable success at Coca-Cola, he moved to the Pillsbury Company. Within a short period of time, Herman rose to position of Vice President. Although the comforts of a corner office on the 31st floor of a majestic corporate building seemed satisfying, Herman knew that he needed a challenge.

He became the regional vice president of Pillsbury’s Burger King division. This meant starting from the “ground up,” dodging grease fires and broiling hamburgers. Herman was assigned to lead a low performing region of 450 of their restaurants. Within three years, it became the best performing region in the company.

Energized by overcoming the many obstacles of his job at Burger King, Herman took on the biggest challenge of his career. He accepted the call to become the President and CEO of Godfather’s Pizza, a company that was teetering on the edge of bankruptcy. In just 14 months, Herman returned Godfather’s to profitability and he led his management team to a buyout of the company.

His professional successes garnered the respect and admiration of industry peers who named him the President of the National Restaurant Association. Under Herman’s administration, the group grew significantly and began to lobby for the interests of America’s restaurateurs and small business owners.

In 1994, as head of the National Restaurant Association, he had the opportunity to speak with President Clinton during a nationally televised town hall meeting. Here, Herman challenged the President regarding the impact on businesses if his health care overhaul proposal were passed. President Clinton attempted to assure him and the millions of viewers watching at home that his legislation would not harm American business owners and their employees.

Herman was skeptical. “Quite honestly Mr. President, your calculations are incorrect,” he said. “In the competitive marketplace, it simply doesn’t work that way.” His words echoed across America, and Newsweek named Herman Cain the primary saboteur of Hillarycare.

Through these and other appearances on behalf of the National Restaurant Association, Herman began working with business leaders across all sectors of the American economy. This led to his acceptance of a position on the Board of Directors of the Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City, and he was subsequently elected their chairman. In this role, he analyzed economic conditions in the region and notified the Federal Reserve of how their policies should respond.

Most recently, he hosted a radio talk show, “The Herman Cain Show,” on Atlanta’s WSB 750 AM/ 95.5 FM. He serves as a regular contributor on several broadcast networks and as a keynote speaker at conferences and events around the nation.

Despite the many professional commitments of his life, Herman continues to enjoy most the time spent with family and friends. As his children got married and had their own children, he knew that he had an extraordinary obligation to do what he could to make this a safe and prosperous nation for them. The paramount joys in his life are his wife, Gloria, his children and his grandchildren.

Now I highlighted and underline Herman's working at the Fed to meet a promise that I made to many of the Paulist on FR. Herman was not a member of the Board of Governors which sets monetary policy. The Federal Reserve Bank of Kansas City is more or less a bank for banks and what they do is provide financial services to depository institutions including banks, credit unions, and savings and loans, much like those that banks provide for their customers. These services include collecting checks, electronically transferring funds, and distributing and receiving cash and coin.

I know that sounds so very ominous.

27 posted on 10/11/2011 7:58:24 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: normy

“I am not convinced he is in it to win it.”

Then judging by this poll and others he might end up becoming president by accident.


28 posted on 10/11/2011 7:58:24 AM PDT by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: normy
... but I am not convinced he is in it to win it.

May I ask why?

29 posted on 10/11/2011 7:58:38 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; All
Time for the Perryites to join the Cain train.

Maybe the "Gap Band" can re-do their song Party Train somebody can to the Cain Train....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QmWfTDZvvkM

30 posted on 10/11/2011 7:58:44 AM PDT by taildragger (( Palin / Mulally 2012 ))
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Wait until Mitt or Newt decide to question Cain on his implementation of a National Sales Tax on top of an income tax.


31 posted on 10/11/2011 7:59:21 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: kevao

“It’s all eyes on the Hermanator tonight. If he does well, he can begin pulling away from the pack.”

I agree. They’re going to throw the book at him tonight. If he handles this debate well, I think this might be the huge breaking moment for his campaign.


32 posted on 10/11/2011 8:01:00 AM PDT by Marie (Cain 9s Have Teeth)
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To: tcrlaf

This can’t be true. After all, The Hermanator cancelled his campaign to go on a book tour. For that reason he obviously won’t attend tonight’s debate...


33 posted on 10/11/2011 8:01:38 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: normy

If you cannot compel others to follow your lead, then you cannot lead.

The people you have mentioned have obviously failed to distinguish themselves in a positive way.


34 posted on 10/11/2011 8:01:43 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

NO NO NO Perry is the leader! Perry is the only one that can beat Romney! Cain is just Romney’s minion. ;-)


35 posted on 10/11/2011 8:03:24 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

Exactly. And those attacking Cain now are only helping Zero.


36 posted on 10/11/2011 8:05:36 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Marie
Because many candidates run for notoriety and the wealth it brings them. I am not knocking that, Newt does it every four years it seems.

There is a level of organization that Cain doesn't have and didn't bother getting together.

It doesn't mean he can't win, but his proposals have barely been touched.

37 posted on 10/11/2011 8:05:39 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: Marie

Given tonight’s panel, I think Herman can expect a bit of the Clarence Thomas treatment. Tonight will either make him or break him....


38 posted on 10/11/2011 8:05:39 AM PDT by kevao
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To: normy
It's cult of personality. Cain had his own little cult going, then he picked up much of the Palin cult. It's all about personality, and the overwhelming need to grovel and admire.

Do you recall a national sales tax being a prominent part of discussion? Do you recall that being something clamored for? It was a fringe issue before now. In a way, the fair taxers have THEIR own cult.

So Cain is now the object of admiration for all the cultists in our ranks (except for Ron Paul cultists, nothing if not faithful.) They don't support Cain because they favor a national sales tax. They talk themselves into supporting a national sales tax because they like Cain.

Cain is popular for the same reason the All-State insurance guy does TV commericials. He's black and has a sonorous voice, and he's a talented pitchman.

39 posted on 10/11/2011 8:06:17 AM PDT by Huck (NO FEDERAL SALES TAX -- UNDER ANY CIRCUMSTANCES)
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"People who oppose Obama are said to be racists - so I guess I'm a racist. "

~Herman Cain





40 posted on 10/11/2011 8:07:40 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: normy
Yeah, let's forget about the guy who's actually putting real plans out there and focus on the gutless loser who offers nothing but vague lip service.
41 posted on 10/11/2011 8:08:39 AM PDT by perfect_rovian_storm (Perry's idea of border control: Use both hands to welcome the illegals right in)
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To: chris37

Not true. Newt has jumped in the polls and Bachman lost votes to Perry. Cain looks like Perry 6 weeks ago and Bachman 8 weeks ago. If Perry supporters back Newt he would jump into the top 3.


42 posted on 10/11/2011 8:09:02 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm

With all due respect, your tagline is absolutely wrong. Why should Perry be singled out when most illegals live in California, New York, Florida, etc? We do have our share and a lot of them find refuge with families here legitimately. Illegals don’t only come in one Mexican flavor. They are every nationality and they go to college everywhere in the country. The national immigration policy has failed miserably. It has failed so miserably that citizens of our neighbor, Arizona, have faced horrible risks. Our whole country is at risk.....and it is not Perry’s fault. His hands-on experience would be an asset in that arena. No one thinks illegals should benefit from anything. The six hundred or so who have benefited from reduced tuition are the kids of illegals who have already gone through the halls of our education system from everywhere in the country. They don’t just come here to go to college. They’re brought here without a say. They are products of a failed national policy. Still, they have to have graduated from our high schools and lived in Texas for at least three years. What is Mr Cain going to do? Mr Romney? Does anyone think they will govern to the right of Rick Perry?


43 posted on 10/11/2011 8:09:27 AM PDT by FryingPan101 (Perry/Palin)
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To: BarnacleCenturion; normy

Herman Cain who truly was until recently a virtual unknown had faith enough in himself to decide to run for President of the United States on his own. There was no Media hype/pressure/build-up about a possible run, there was no urging by members of the Party, no words spoken into his ear by party players, elites, beltway boys or pundits, not even a word of encouragement from the Republican Party of his home state only faith in himself. Now after months of being treated as being a inconsequential candidate the curious sideshow of a conservative black Republican, he is now in the top tier along with people of great party pull, of men with experienced political machines and the dollars to power them. He did that on his own with no help from anyone accept by his own. Now think what a man with faith in himself like that could accomplish if given the chance.


44 posted on 10/11/2011 8:10:46 AM PDT by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: normy

-If- is a big word though, isn’t it?

-If- Newt can compel people to follow his lead, then he can lead.

So far, he hasn’t done that.


45 posted on 10/11/2011 8:11:30 AM PDT by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: Huck
"Cain is popular for the same reason the All-State insurance guy does TV commericials. He's black and has a sonorous voice, and he's a talented pitchman."

Racist much, Huckster ?

46 posted on 10/11/2011 8:12:34 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Perry should drop out. He’s only helping Romney at this point.

Perry's the ONLY one taking on Romney! All the so called other conservatives in this race are joining the MSM, democrats and the Ron Paul lunatic brigade in attacking Perry and ignoring obama and Romney. I wonder why that is?

i like Cain too...and will happily support either he or Perry in the general. We'll see how things shake out but these vitriolic attacks on Perry are dishonest, dishonorable and counter productive.

47 posted on 10/11/2011 8:13:59 AM PDT by pgkdan (Perry 2012!)
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"I have a message for the political elites in Washington, D.C.

The United States of America is not going to become the United States of Europe, not on our watch."

~Herman Cain





48 posted on 10/11/2011 8:14:21 AM PDT by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: perfect_rovian_storm
Of course I will focus on the plan. That is what I do. I don't like it no matter how nice and funny Cain is.

Perry has never lost an election just so you know, and guess what? I don't think we need massive overhaul of the tax system. We need jobs. We need government out of our hair. We need a balanced budget amendment. We need to stop spending money.

This is another reason I don't think Cain is serious because this plan is set up to be destroyed, and if Perry can't do it, Mitt will.

49 posted on 10/11/2011 8:14:35 AM PDT by normy (Don't take it personally, just take it seriously.)
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To: normy

“There is a level of organization that Cain doesn’t have and didn’t bother getting together.”

And you KNOW THIS how exactly?


50 posted on 10/11/2011 8:16:10 AM PDT by Grunthor (Heartless Bigot for Cain.)
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