No. First, I don't believe we would collect on the bill, but it would give us a claim against them if they returned, which might deter them. Second, we don't have to transport them out. We have to kill their access to jobs and free services, and they will transport themselves out. Look at what happens when a state starts enforcing the law - many illegals leave on their own.
Lemonade my arse. You explain IN DETAIL why it’s ‘impossible’ to round them up, kick them out and build the wall.
From another post on the subject...
The entire problem of illegal aliens, benefits, tuition et all comes down to one very simple question that we allow politicians and many of the pro-illegal/apologistst for bad policy right here on FR to get away with and divert from.
“The presence of illegal aliens on American soil is a violation of our laws from the nanosecond they cross the border. Period. Any further ‘law’ policy rule or regulation aiding illegal aliens cannot by it’s very nature be ‘legal’ because it goes against one very simple FACT. It aids and abeds a criminal.”
Now every time an apologist for the various “DREAM Act” like laws or sanctuary city nonsense goes off about it being a ‘Federal matter”, remind them of that simple FACT and ask them what they are doing to hold the politicians who WILLINGLY BREAK THE LAW by their implementation, accountable. Don’t back off, don’t let them divert, duck, ignore and change the subject...make them square it. In public. Here on Free Republic and in the real world.
Hint...making them President/Governor etc. is NOT holding them accountable. Allowing apologists and propagandists to continue making excuses for Perry’s two-faced positions on illegals is not holding them accountable. Can anyone here tell me with a straight face otherwise?
Why are supposed and self-proclaimed ‘conservatives’ spouting the very same lines that liberals use to push their agenda for illegal aliens? Is it not time we put an end to this BS?
No need to “round them up”, make them self-deport by taking away all of their freebies, and make sure they are unemployable, then they’ll go running back to Meh-Hee-Co.
I'm not counting the millions who could simply hop in their own automobiles and drive back home.
Do you have any idea what 20 million people is like? First, that's the number of tourists who visited the Viet Nam Veterans Memorial about 5 years after its dedication ~ just in the summer.
So how did those visitors get here? How did they leave?
I've gone through the logistics several times on FR. The numbers are not actually "enormous" ~ and can be handled easily.
Your comments want to make me puke. This is the same BS that comes from the mouths of Obama, McCain, and Gutierrez.
The proponents of amnesty are wont to create the false choice between a blanket amnesty and mass deportation of 12 to 20 million illegal aliens. In reality, we have other choices and alternatives that don’t reward people who have broken our laws with the right to stay and work here and an eventual path to citizenship. The 12 to 20 million illegal aliens did not enter this country overnight and they will not leave overnight. Attrition through enforcement works. We have empirical data from experiences in Georgia, Colorado, Alabama, and Arizona proving that it does.
In analyzing the 2007 CIR bill, Robert Rector of The Heritage Foundation stated, “The main fiscal impact…will occur through two mechanisms: (1) the grant of amnesty, with accompanying access to Social Security, Medicare and welfare benefits, to 12 million illegal immigrants who are overwhelmingly low skilled; and (2) a dramatic increase in chain immigration, which will also be predominantly low skilled. The bottom line is that high school dropouts are extremely expensive to U.S. taxpayers. It does not matter whether the dropout comes from Ohio, Tennessee, or Mexico. It does matter that the Senate immigration bill would increase the future flow of poorly educated immigrants into the U.S. and grant amnesty and access to government benefits to millions of poorly educated illegal aliens already here. Such legislation would inevitably impose huge costs on U.S. taxpayers.”
Heritage research has concluded that the cost of amnesty alone would be $2.6 trillion. And the number of additional LEGAL immigrants who would join those who were the recipients of amnesty through chain migration, i.e., family reunification, would approach 70 million over a 20-year period, assuming there are only 12 million illegal aliens. We cannot assimilate such numbers. An amnesty would destroy the United States of America with the stroke of a pen. Amnesty is forever.
“Anyone who believes it is even remotely feasible to round up and deport 20 million illegal aliens is smoking some pretty potent crack. The cost alone of what you suggest is would probably be greater than any burden illegals place on all of our social services combined.”
Of course President Eisenhower accomplished exactly that task, no crack needed.
What gets left out of criticisms like yours is that when Ike made it clear that illegals were going to be deported they began packing up and leaving on their own.
If we wanted to hasten the process we would enact asset forfeiture penalties on those working here illegally.
“It would be much more fun to rant and rave about deporting them all and placing a Berlin Wall type border fence complete with machine gun nests to prevent more illegals from entering, but it is simply not plausible or possible.”
Fun if you’re trying to smear those who are concerned about the problem I suppose.
what Texas is doing in bringing the children of illegals into the mainstream is the best path; educate them, get them onto the path of citizenship and make them a productive part of our society.
This is exactly the hopes of the parents and will be the never ending draw for millions more. There should never be a reward for breaking the law.
I support the Dream Act if, and only if, the parents are deported immediately and can never return and the kid can’t sponsor ANY relative, ever.
You're falling for the old progressive strawman. Either open borders or mass roundups. What about seriously enforcing the laws on the books. If someone is stopped find out his status and deport as necessary, if an employer is caught hiring an illegal, fine them into bankruptcy, no more benefits , no free education. It won't be long before you have self deportation , as proven by the fact that when a state gets serious about enforcement, illegals move out and find another lenient state. No roundups needed.
You don’t have to catch them all at once.
Mexico sends them back in busloads
Second, as part of the Southern Plan, INM launched the “Orderly and Secure Repatriation” program for illegals from the three major sending countries. Ad hoc expulsions in the past failed to reduce the flow of migrants. “It took longer for our buses to turn around at the border than it did for undocumented migrants to reenter Mexico somewhere else,” Preciado noted.20 Now individuals apprehended anywhere in Mexico who claim to be Guatemalan, Honduran, or Salvadoran are dispatched to the INM’s Tapachula center. If necessary, they spend the night in the Centro Belén, a hostel operated by Father Florencio María Rigoni of the Scalabrini order of missionaries. From Tapachula, they are bused to the frontier of their home country and handed over to local immigration authorities. Pursuant to a joint accord, Guatemalan authorities have agreed to transport their nationals to their home villages. Approximately 10 buses, each loaded with 38 Central Americans and two guards, leave Tapachula seven days a week. Some aliens from other Latin American countries try to pass themselves off as Guatemalans. They lie about their nationality in hopes of being dropped off in a country contiguous to Mexico, thus making it easier for them to recommence their northbound odyssey.