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Gingrich seeks middle path on immigration
Orange County Register ^ | Oct. 13, 2011 | Martin Wisckol

Posted on 10/14/2011 7:15:24 AM PDT by Pelham

Edited on 10/14/2011 8:14:16 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

Newt Gingrich called for a middle path on immigration reform – implying a limited amnesty – as he made his presidential campaign pitch to the Republican-friendly Hispanic 100 on Thursday at the Newport Beach’s Balboa Bay Club.

“Both sides are wrong,” he said to the 300 gathered at group’s annual black-tie gala. “Those who say, ‘Kick everybody out’ – they’re wrong. Those who say, ‘Give amnesty to everyone’ – they’re wrong.


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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; gingrich; illegalimmigration; newt; pandering
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1 posted on 10/14/2011 7:15:29 AM PDT by Pelham
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To: Pelham

Way to stick both feet in your mouth at the same time Newt.


2 posted on 10/14/2011 7:17:57 AM PDT by MNJohnnie (Giving more money to DC to fix the Debt is like giving free drugs to addicts think it will cure them)
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To: wardaddy; Kenny Bunk; Travis McGee; Tennessee Nana

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3 posted on 10/14/2011 7:18:23 AM PDT by Pelham (Immigrating America into just one more Latin American country.)
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To: Pelham

I knew it was just a matter of time before Newt would do or say something stupid (again) and basically destroy that little Mo that he had going on.

Newt supporters, there is a conservative running at the front of the pack that could use your support and HE doesn’t want to sell out your nation to the third world invaders.

His name is Herman Cain.


4 posted on 10/14/2011 7:18:39 AM PDT by Grunthor (Vote for the nerdy black guy!)
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To: Pelham

Middle Path?! Don’t even want to hear it. Newt’s looking to get the indies. He’ll soon find that his numbers will suffer with this “middle path” BS.


5 posted on 10/14/2011 7:18:39 AM PDT by albie
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To: Pelham

Newt needs to spend a week at the side of Sheriff Joe Arpaio.

Newt is insulated from the immigration problem.


6 posted on 10/14/2011 7:18:59 AM PDT by ridesthemiles
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To: Pelham

He’ll be getting my vote but with a clothespin. :(
Best of a bad batch.


7 posted on 10/14/2011 7:20:53 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: MNJohnnie

“Way to stick both feet in your mouth at the same time Newt.”

Considering some of his past stunts he’s probably used to it.


8 posted on 10/14/2011 7:21:11 AM PDT by Pelham (Immigrating America into just one more Latin American country.)
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To: ridesthemiles
Newt is insulated from the immigration problem.

Newt is just plain heavily insulated.

9 posted on 10/14/2011 7:21:35 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: Pelham

The only things in the middle of the road are yellow stripes and road kill.


10 posted on 10/14/2011 7:21:52 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: MNJohnnie

We shouldn’t expect anything else from him. He’s been soft on immigration all along. This is part of his beltway elite mentality.


11 posted on 10/14/2011 7:21:52 AM PDT by bcsco (A vote for Cain will cure the Pain!)
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To: Pelham
“In the end, we must be a country in which everybody who is here is here legally. And we must recognize that some people who came here legally are deeply embedded in our culture.”.....

For those who came here legally, I agree. I am strongly in favor of legal immigration and approve of hard-working, educated immigrants who come here and become part of the American melting pot. For those who enter illegally, my feelings are the exact opposite. Any illegal caught on American soil should be fingerprinted and permanently barred from all paths to citizenship and then expelled from our country and billed for the costs of tossing his tail back south of the border. Those recaptured should be forced to work off the costs of enforcing the law against them, and then tossed out of our country.

12 posted on 10/14/2011 7:22:40 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Pelham
Gingrich seeks middle path on immigration

ay, there's the rub

13 posted on 10/14/2011 7:24:06 AM PDT by NonValueAdded (So much stress was put on Bush's Fault that it finally let go, magnitude 6)
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To: Pelham

I guess Newt hasn’t been paying attention to Perry’s recent difficulties.


14 posted on 10/14/2011 7:24:06 AM PDT by skeeter
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To: Pelham
“Both sides are wrong,”

Does Newt have a political death wish? Everytime we start do like him he does something assine like this.

15 posted on 10/14/2011 7:26:43 AM PDT by McGruff (Still a member of Sarah's Army)
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To: Pelham
Is this line correct, or a transcription/typo error?

"And we must recognize that some peopel who came here legally are deeply imbedded in our culture.."

One would indeed hope so..

16 posted on 10/14/2011 7:29:46 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: Pelham

One answer is a 6-Month Temporary Work Visa.... HOWEVER - the solution is to make it so that you CAN NOT get one of those, nor renew one, IN the US.

All illegals would have to return to Mexico to get one.

Screen them (no felons, or criminals, &c.) and then track them. The fees could include the price of a bus ticket home to get that renewal. Failure to comply means no more American dream for you, Hombre.

It’s just a thought. Try not to flame me too hard.


17 posted on 10/14/2011 7:33:17 AM PDT by Noamie
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To: Pelham
There is no "MIDDLE PATH", ILLEGAL ALIENS are in the country

I L L E G A L L Y!

What is it about the word "ILLEGAL" these half-wit's REFUSE to understand?

EVERYWHERE AND ANYWHERE ELSE IN THE WORLD, if you are in their country ILLEGALLY, you are ARRESTED and DEPORTED!

How dare Newt say that LAW ABIDING CITIZENS, who want to uphold the rule of law ARE W R O N G for wanting to treat ILLEGAL ALIENS the same way they are treated everywhere else in the world and for wanting to protect our borders and our OWN CITIZENS!

Someone needs to knock some sense into Newt's head. It looks like he has crawled back on that couch with the Democrats and Nancy Pelosi

18 posted on 10/14/2011 7:34:26 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: 1_Inch_Group; 2sheep; 2Trievers; 3AngelaD; 3pools; 3rdcanyon; 4Freedom; 4ourprogeny; 7.62 x 51mm; ..

Ping!


19 posted on 10/14/2011 7:34:36 AM PDT by HiJinx ("Family values donÂ’t stop at the Gulf of Aden." Flag_This)
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To: Pelham

What’s a middle way for breaking into somebody’s house ?


20 posted on 10/14/2011 7:37:53 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Pelham

Gingrich gives middle finger on immigration.


21 posted on 10/14/2011 7:38:51 AM PDT by SpaceBar
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To: Pelham
“Both sides are wrong,” he said to the 300 gathered at group’s annual black-tie gala. “Those who say, ‘Kick everybody out’ – they’re wrong. Those who say, ‘Give amnesty to everyone’ – they’re wrong.

Pure BS. You can't be a little bit pregnant. Legalizing lawbreakers because they are "deeply imbeded in our culture," is pure sophistry. What exactly does "imbeded in our culture mean?" And why should that be the criterion for legalization? Gingrich is an amnesty supporter no matter how he tries to cover it up with his BS.

22 posted on 10/14/2011 7:38:51 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Pelham

And this is EXACTLY one of the reasons why Newt is death for the conservatives in this country. The current law doesn’t mean a damned thing to him. His obviously superior academic intellect re: the challenges and futility of adhering to immigration laws as they exist now are just too damned much for the normal conservative American to ponder.

This whiz boy assessment from a country that beat back the world in WWII, built the Panama Canal, sent a man to the moon, and on and on and on....Bullshit, Newt!


23 posted on 10/14/2011 7:41:29 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pelham
"And we must recognize that some people who came here legally are deeply embedded in our culture.”.....

Huh???? "Came here legally????"

Please tell me that the word is a typo and he truly meant to say or perhaps did say, "illegally," or is Newt doing what he's done in the past, find out which way the moderate winds are blowing and pretend to be ahead of them.

Nope Newtie, people who came here illegally, speak only or mostly Spanish, have Mexican flags all over their cars, homes, cheer for Mexican soccer teams over American......and on and on, are not "deeply embedded in our culture."

Go back to hugging Pelosi and Hillary and pretend you've joined the "middle way."

24 posted on 10/14/2011 7:42:08 AM PDT by zerosix (native sunflower)
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To: McGruff

Newt’s just trying to make sure he’s on the right side of the issue for his backers, so that when the candidate puts him on the ticket as VP (all the noise here made for this cheatin’ closet lefty has lately brought that idiot idea to the table again), he’ll have made his position clear thru Newt.

I’d never vote for a ticket that had that weasel on it, just as I would never vote for Giuliani. A man who will cheat on his wife, who he presumably knows well enough to swear before God he’ll love, honor, and cherish her, why would he not screw over voters and a Constitution he’s never met?


25 posted on 10/14/2011 7:42:38 AM PDT by LibertarianInExile (Rick Perry sweep the polls? Naw, the illegals he's coddled in Texas do all his sweeping.)
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To: kabar

Those who propose a “middle path” always fail to answer one important question. Once they become legal, then they are able to bring over, legally, all their family members..


26 posted on 10/14/2011 7:42:53 AM PDT by ken5050 (Cain/Gingrich 2012!!! because sharing a couch with Pelosi is NOT the same as sharing a bed with her)
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To: NonValueAdded

What do you expect? He’s a Hobbit from Middle Earth...


27 posted on 10/14/2011 7:43:26 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pelham

This is exactly why trusting Newt is suicide for conservatives.

Nancy/Couch anyone?


28 posted on 10/14/2011 7:45:12 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: MNJohnnie
Looks like Newt still doesn't understand the question ~ we already know we can replace the entire population here quickly via immigration if we needed to do that.

It's that good a place to live.

On the other hand there are GAZILLIONS of people in this world who'd like to live here but they can't just step across a line out in the desert to do that.

Lyndon Johnson's regime recognized that and eliminated the old National Origins immigration laws. Simultaneously neither LBJ nor anyone else at the time proposed replacing them with a "90% of the places for Mexicans" system.

What Newt and people like him propose doing is eliminating the immigration laws and letting in no one but Mexicans.

Sorry Newt, it ain't gonna' happen. I want 10% of the numbers set aside so I and my associates can bring in graduate engineers and top end computer technicians and others from India and Pakistan.

We know we can clear the decks in China of fellows with PhDs if necessary.

No 10% setaside, no deal Newt! You'll just have to limp along with the OLD THIRD WAY, that is, enforce current laws vigorously and thoroughly.

That means sending the illegal entrants back to their own countries.

29 posted on 10/14/2011 7:45:20 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fieldmarshaldj

Doin it while the police watch and do nothing.


30 posted on 10/14/2011 7:45:31 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pelham
Those who say, ‘Kick everybody out’ – they’re wrong. Those who say, ‘Give amnesty to everyone’ – they’re wrong. “

Sounds like Newt is bound and determined to sabotage the recent gains he's made with the voters. And no one says the above except a tiny number of extremists and, unfortunately, cowardly politicians who use it to avoid taking a sensible stand such as: enforce the border and enforce the law and allow gradual self-deportation.

I guess Newt just couldn't stand his success in the recent debates.

31 posted on 10/14/2011 7:46:20 AM PDT by Will88
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To: ridesthemiles

This country and THIS economy is past the point where ‘middle ground’ on ANY issue will fly.

No serious candidate can afford to be ignorant of this


32 posted on 10/14/2011 7:46:38 AM PDT by SMARTY ("Socialism means slavery." Lord Acton)
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To: Pollster1
". . . billed for the costs of tossing his tail back south of the border."

Yeah, and how is that going to work? LOL! I can just see enforcing that. /rolleyes

Anyone who believes it is even remotely feasible to round up and deport 20 million illegal aliens is smoking some pretty potent crack. The cost alone of what you suggest is would probably be greater than any burden illegals place on all of our social services combined.

The sad fact is that Newt is correct--what Texas is doing in bringing the children of illegals into the mainstream is the best path; educate them, get them onto the path of citizenship and make them a productive part of our society.

No doubt that we must first seal the borders against any further intrusion, but the only solution for those who are already here is the gradual acculturation of them into our society.

Makes me want to puke, but reality is rarely pleasant when one is faced with a problem of this magnitude. It would be much more fun to rant and rave about deporting them all and placing a Berlin Wall type border fence complete with machine gun nests to prevent more illegals from entering, but it is simply not plausible or possible.

Congress will never support the mass expulsion of tens of millions of illegal immigrants. None of the Presidential candidates will or has ever endorsed what you suggest. I simply cannot and will not be done.

The time has come to "make lemonade."
33 posted on 10/14/2011 7:47:24 AM PDT by Sudetenland (There can be no freedom without God--What man gives, man can take away.)
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To: ken5050

Yes, and when you reward something, you get more of it. We have a one-time amnesty in 1986. The proponents promised profusely dthere would never be another one. The USG estimated that 1 million would apply and the true number turned out to be 2.7 miullion. We are still getting legal immigrants from that amnesty thru chain migration and now we have an estimated 12 to 20 million illegal aliens in this country.


34 posted on 10/14/2011 7:48:13 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Gaffer

Is that much different than what’s going on now ?


35 posted on 10/14/2011 7:49:14 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Rick Perry has more red flags than a May Day Parade)
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To: Pelham

The article doesn’t day what his “middle path” is.

Anyone who is serious about illegal immigration needs to start their plan with building a complete east-to-west physical fence.

Stop the flow.

Then, anyone who is serious about illegal immigration needs to have a plan for anchor babies.

Stop the loopholes.

Then, anyone who is serious about illegal immigration needs to have a plan to ENFORCE existing hiring laws.

Stop the incentive to enter the country illegally.

Any talk of amnesty of any type is really a fourth-tier priority. It makes no sense to showcase a candidate’s policy on amnesty when the candidate is unwilling to consider how to stop illegal immigration from getting worse.


36 posted on 10/14/2011 7:49:42 AM PDT by kidd
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To: Pelham
The immigration laws in this country, like the tax laws, are in need of a major overhaul. Enough with fiddling around the edges and adding layers upon flawed layers. Time to scrap it altogether and start fresh.

In explaining immigration laws in this country I've equated this country to being a membership warehouse store filled to the rafters with everything you could want. Unfortunately, at the front of the store there is a long line that seemingly goes on forever of people waiting to get their turn at the desk where they will have to fill out endless forms and pay huge fees. While those people wait in line at the front of the store they are looking out and seeing that the back of the store has no wall and people are coming and going as they please and taking what they want. There is definitely a problem at the back of the store that needs to be fixed first, but there is also a problem at the front of the store that also needs to be addressed. Personally, I would like to see a point system as used in some countries. Fluent in English? Points. Have a university degree? Points. Degree is in science, technology, engineering, or mathematics? Bonus points. Family? Points. Criminal history? Minus big points. Previous immigration violator? Minus big points. Total up the points and if meet the minimum points necessary to qualify then you can come apply to enter. Should be able to check online from anywhere in the world if you can emigrate.

37 posted on 10/14/2011 7:50:29 AM PDT by Armando Guerra
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To: Pelham

Nothing like a vile fart in the elevator to kill your momentum


38 posted on 10/14/2011 7:51:46 AM PDT by casablanca
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To: Noamie
Too Liberal ~ only 90% of the illegals come from Mexico. Actually, one way to deal with this is find a truly needy third world country in Africa where they still do "forced labor" ~ we FLY all the illegals we catch to that country and give them $1000 a head to make sure they stay there.

Wouldn't take much of that and I think our problem would disappear.

39 posted on 10/14/2011 7:51:58 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: LibertarianInExile
Newt Gingrich called for a middle path on immigration reform – implying a limited amnesty – as he made his presidential campaign pitch to the Republican-friendly Hispanic 100 on Thursday at the Newport Beach’s Balboa Bay Club.

Just more pandering by Newt who is a slimey bureaucrat and part of the ruling class. He is part of the problem that got us into this mess, not the solution.

40 posted on 10/14/2011 7:52:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: Sudetenland
Yeah, and how is that going to work? LOL! I can just see enforcing that . . . Anyone who believes it is even remotely feasible to round up and deport 20 million illegal aliens is smoking some pretty potent crack. The cost alone of what you suggest is would probably be greater than any burden illegals place on all of our social services combined.

No. First, I don't believe we would collect on the bill, but it would give us a claim against them if they returned, which might deter them. Second, we don't have to transport them out. We have to kill their access to jobs and free services, and they will transport themselves out. Look at what happens when a state starts enforcing the law - many illegals leave on their own.

41 posted on 10/14/2011 7:52:33 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Sudetenland

Lemonade my arse. You explain IN DETAIL why it’s ‘impossible’ to round them up, kick them out and build the wall.

From another post on the subject...

The entire problem of illegal aliens, benefits, tuition et all comes down to one very simple question that we allow politicians and many of the pro-illegal/apologistst for bad policy right here on FR to get away with and divert from.

“The presence of illegal aliens on American soil is a violation of our laws from the nanosecond they cross the border. Period. Any further ‘law’ policy rule or regulation aiding illegal aliens cannot by it’s very nature be ‘legal’ because it goes against one very simple FACT. It aids and abeds a criminal.”

Now every time an apologist for the various “DREAM Act” like laws or sanctuary city nonsense goes off about it being a ‘Federal matter”, remind them of that simple FACT and ask them what they are doing to hold the politicians who WILLINGLY BREAK THE LAW by their implementation, accountable. Don’t back off, don’t let them divert, duck, ignore and change the subject...make them square it. In public. Here on Free Republic and in the real world.

Hint...making them President/Governor etc. is NOT holding them accountable. Allowing apologists and propagandists to continue making excuses for Perry’s two-faced positions on illegals is not holding them accountable. Can anyone here tell me with a straight face otherwise?

Why are supposed and self-proclaimed ‘conservatives’ spouting the very same lines that liberals use to push their agenda for illegal aliens? Is it not time we put an end to this BS?


42 posted on 10/14/2011 7:52:33 AM PDT by Norm Lenhart (Chief Druid of Trollhenge: Cult of Palin)
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To: Pelham

Never have so many words been used to say so little.


43 posted on 10/14/2011 7:54:48 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sudetenland

No need to “round them up”, make them self-deport by taking away all of their freebies, and make sure they are unemployable, then they’ll go running back to Meh-Hee-Co.


44 posted on 10/14/2011 7:57:05 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: Sudetenland
Actually we have sufficient surplus transportation, both air and surface, at any one time that we could do that in about 6 months.

I'm not counting the millions who could simply hop in their own automobiles and drive back home.

Do you have any idea what 20 million people is like? First, that's the number of tourists who visited the Viet Nam Veterans Memorial about 5 years after its dedication ~ just in the summer.

So how did those visitors get here? How did they leave?

I've gone through the logistics several times on FR. The numbers are not actually "enormous" ~ and can be handled easily.

45 posted on 10/14/2011 7:57:31 AM PDT by muawiyah
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To: fieldmarshaldj
No, it is not. My Senators tried to help Bush push amnesty, this 'middle-way' crap, and they got beat down so hard their heads spun. They didn't change their hearts and minds - only their tunes, and they will pay for it the next chance I can vote against them.

In 2010, conservatives and fed-up Americans started pushing this unwilling government back to where it ought to be. Tacitly accepting backsliding from this from a 'supposed' tip-of-the-spear we're putting forth in November 2012 to consolidate and expand November 2010 gains is equivocation and just plain madness.

46 posted on 10/14/2011 7:58:08 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Pelham

What is this middle path? Build a fence only half high, or perhaps half a fence, similar to the Maginot Line.

Let’s take him up on it. Let’s give the illegals half the benefits their currently receiving. Oh, and only half the votes they’re currently casting.


47 posted on 10/14/2011 7:58:08 AM PDT by cotton1706
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To: Pelham
Pie in the sky, Newt.

Decades of open borders has made your 'recommendation' impractical and implausible.

“In the end, we must be a country in which everybody who is here is here legally."

How is that going to happen when some 20 million plus are here illegally and you say we can't boot them out and can't give them all amnesty?

==

Politi-speak, Newt. You are trying to have it both ways. And that is NOT a solution.
48 posted on 10/14/2011 7:59:14 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: ken5050

“”And we must recognize that some peopel who came here legally are deeply imbedded in our culture..””

I think it has to be a typo and should read “who came here illegally”.


49 posted on 10/14/2011 8:00:09 AM PDT by Pelham (Immigrating America into just one more Latin American country.)
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To: Pelham

Mr. Scozzafava is drunk on Potomac water again.


50 posted on 10/14/2011 8:00:37 AM PDT by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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