Posted on 10/15/2011 5:45:45 PM PDT by DemforBush
BAGHDAD (AP) — The U.S. is abandoning plans to keep U.S. troops in Iraq past a year-end withdrawal deadline, The Associated Press has learned. The decision to pull out fully by January will effectively end more than eight years of U.S. involvement in the Iraq war, despite ongoing concerns about its security forces and the potential for instability...
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Lost? As in lost the battle? No way, Jose. Lost the media war, thanks to commie lovers like Cronkite.
We should deal with Iran directly, once and for all. Anyway, if the Iraqis want us out I don’t see how we can stay. At least Obama didn’t compromise our troops legal immunity.
But we STILL have a military presence in Japan, South Korea, and Europe 50-70 years later. No way Obama’s going to withdraw ALL of the troops. It would mean genocide for the Iraqi citizenry. He would OWN the bloodbath that would soon follow.
Obama needs more troops for the Dark Continent.
No, I know we won all the battles. Lost as in our political goals for entering the war wer not met, because our leaders fought for a draw, while the enemy fought for a win. In Iraq we have met all of our important political goals. Now the elected Iraqi government, that we put in place, wants us to leave, and will handle their own security. I don't see how we could refuse to go.
We went to Vietnam to contain communism, and Vietnam has been communist since we left. Sounds like losing to me.
As for Iraq, it is no longer worth our time and treasure. We’ve done everything we set out to do, and its time for them to stand on their own two feet. I’m with another poster... can’t we win one and just go home for a change?
Years ago...
US: We want to be out ASAP.
Iraq: Please stay as long as you can.
Today...
US: We want to have permanent base to use against Iran.
Iraq: Please leave ASAP.
hussein sucks.
Just a reallocation of assets. Bring them home in time for a Christmas break so they can be in the new theatre of Uganda chasing Christian freedom fighters wanting to rid their country of the radical Islamists.
Not because we lost on the battlefield. Our media and politicians lost the war for us at home.
There you go. Hussein is simply shifting our military resources from fighting against Islamic terrorism, to fighting FOR his Muslim brothers.
No, the Iraqis would own it. They are the ones insisting we submit US troops to Iraqi law, or leave.
Arab spring is about to become Arab winter, but on the bright side, Israel won’t have to ask to overfly Iraq ever again.
Nope. We had evicerated the North Vietnamese Army and virtually wiped out the Viet Cong. A remarkable accomplishment given the the insane ROE's we shackled our troops with. All we needed to do was provide a modicum of support to the South Vietnamese (just like we need to be doing in Iraq).
Democrats in Congress wouldn't even do that for our allies. Tens of thousands that suppoerted a free South Vietnam were slaughtered or imprisoned when the country was overrun. Maybe we'll see a replay in Iraq in a few years...
So you bought that Walter Cronkite BS too? We had that one won after the Tet Offensive. The NVA was preparing to surrender until General Cronkite decided that we lost.
This was in a day and time that the media was trusted and we only had the three networks.
So what do you want to do? The Iraqi government wants us to either submit our troops to Iraqi law or leave, which, btw, we signed an agreement to do. Are we supposed to overthrow the government we set up militarily occupy Iraq forever? What do you suggest? I would like to hear a real plan.
Iran isprobablygoing to move right in.
Fixed it.
There are more than one way to win a war, or lose it. We didn’t lose on the battlefield, but we lost. As Clauswitz said, war is the continuation of politics by other means. It doesn’t matter who won the battles, if you don’t acheive your political goals. The NV goal was to take SV and create a united communist state. Our goal was to stop them. They won, we lost.
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