Posted on 10/16/2011 6:12:48 PM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks
The godless left ( communists really) are **not** culling themselves to extinction. They don't need kids! They have the godless and socialist-funded government schools!
The left ( communist-lites) have all the kids they need in the godless, socialist-funded, government indoctrination camps! Why bother having kids when like cuckoo birds they can push conservatives out of the nest?
Fact: The Barna Institute research shows that 85% of children from highly active Christian homes will NOT be active in their faith 2 years after graduating from high school. The opposite is true for homeschoolers. 95% of homeschoolers will be active in their faith.
Fact: The Barna Institute research on the NON-Christian beliefs of those young adults who call themselves Christians is dismaying!
True a far as it goes. However, "they" are trying to hijack "our" kids via the school system.We can outbreed and outlast "them" only if we don't let them brainwash our kids into becoming clones of "them."
The sad thing is that we are beyond the even horizon.
I fear for my daughter and the world she will inherit.
This is an excellent speech. Liberals love to scream that we’re overpopulated, especially with the world population about to hit 7 billion. Even if you read the comments to the movie/documentary Demographic Winter, you still see liberals bleating on about overpopulation. However, I have tried to point out in debates with them that the population of westernized and some asian countries is below replacement level. The U.S. is barely meeting replacement level and that is due to immigration from Mexico. The social programs that liberals advocate are not going to be sustainable without a population that is at replacement level. There will be more elderly than young to take care of them. I saw a documentary on Japan where they are having this problem:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oG67vfjjT24
A point he didn’t get into was the increasing Muslim population with relation to our decreasing population:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-3X5hIFXYU&feature=fvwrel
Abortion has of course wiped millions off this planet and continues every day.
Phil Magnan, Director of Biblical Family Advocates had this to say, “It really makes one think that if the world is aborting 46 million children a year by surgical abortion, what are the real figures on the use of other forms of abortion? It is already bad enough that we are surgically aborting 1 Billion children every 22 years. Now we have to face a very grim fact, that the number of abortions world wide, are much higher than we thought, into the billions.” http://www.abortiontv.com/Misc/AbortionStatistics.htm
I read that one poster commented that there is a “positive” to all these abortions - less liberals. I don’t think there can ever be a positive effect of abortion. Afterall, the children killed, while many would likely turn out liberal, were completely innocent. Even if they were born liberal, a person shouldn’t be sentenced to death based on political beliefs. Besides, the libs are still able to convert conservative kids through the media, culture, and public schools as another poster pointed out.
Regardless, libs will continue to have less children and have and support abortion. They’ll encourage people to have less children and mock families like the Duggars. In order to deal with the increasing elderly population, they’ll support assisted suicide/euthanasia.
>>Let me get this straight. Because I have chosen not to get married and have children, I am by definition selfish? <<
Yep.
How much money are my kids going to pay for your SS, Medicare and Medicare Part B?
Unless you’re planning to out yourself, you can not possibly put in enough to pay for it. So because you’re choosing not to give the system some payers, you’re just sucking and not producing.
That’s selfish. Living it up and having someone else pay for it.
"Out" myself?
???
you can not possibly put in enough to pay for it. So because you’re choosing not to give the system some payers, you’re just sucking and not producing.
So you're criticizing me for not producing heirs which would produce revenue to be confiscated by the State and then distributed via socialized medicine and the Ponzi scheme of SS.
That's quite the philosophy you have there...
>>”Out” myself?<<
Yep, because unless you do, or have kids to support you, you are depending on the kindness of others to keep your sorry butt alive.
>>So you’re criticizing me for not producing heirs which would produce revenue to be confiscated by the State and then distributed via socialized medicine and the Ponzi scheme of SS. <<
Nope, for taking from it. Or any tax that my kids pay for. Like the roads? My kids will be paying long after you’re not. Police? Fire? You are living your lifestyle on the backs of future generations.
Go get Mark Steyn’s America Alone and educate yourself.
Yep, because unless you do, or have kids to support you, you are depending on the kindness of others to keep your sorry butt alive.
Gee, and here I thought I was depending on my retirement savings and the accumulated wealth which I've been building up for the last 30 years.
Nope, for taking from it. Or any tax that my kids pay for. Like the roads? My kids will be paying long after you’re not. Police? Fire? You are living your lifestyle on the backs of future generations.
Not me. Unlike over half of Americans, I'm a net tax payer, not a net tax recipient. Unless I live to 100, there's no way I'll get more out of SS & Medicare what I put in. On the other hand, your kids have (on average) a better than 50% chance of being net tax recipients, thus a drain on the system.
The (obvious) solution is not to have such socialist programs as Medicare and SS in the first place, yes?
>>Gee, and here I thought I was depending on my retirement savings and the accumulated wealth which I’ve been building up for the last 30 years. <<
LOLOLOL!!!! Sure you have.
And, like my in-laws that came into retirement with 2 million in the bank, it’s only takes one long term illness to move you right to the Medicare rolls.
I’m sure you’re not that ignorant.
>>On the other hand, your kids have (on average) a better than 50% chance of being net tax recipients, thus a drain on the system. <<
You don’t know my kids. However, even taking your line of thinking, I have at least 1/2 my kids supporting me. You have none.
An anecdote.
Wow.
I might go through a similar situation to that of your in-laws. You might as well, in which case you'll also be on the Medicare rolls with expenses far in excess of the contributions of your offspring. I also might die in an auto accident tomorrow. The simple fact is there's no way to know the future, but I am doing everything I can *not* to be a net tax burden; I certainly haven't been one so far.
How "selfish" of me...
You don’t know my kids. However, even taking your line of thinking, I have at least 1/2 my kids supporting me. You have none.
The other half (the kids that are net tax burdens) would cancel out the half that are net tax payers under this scenario.
Look, I don't begrudge you having a large family. If it makes you happy, go for it. What I don't understand is the need for some to attack the character of those who choose not to have children.
>>What I don’t understand is the need for some to attack the character of those who choose not to have children. <<
Seriously, go read Mark Steyn’s America Alone and come back.
You need an education on WHY we need replacements rates. When people like you chose lifestyle over kids, the country goes down the path of the UK.
Hang out here a while and you’ll learn something too.
It's rather a moot point in my case, given that I'm about to turn 50. Even if I wanted kids (which I don't) I wouldn't start a family at that age. I don't want to get married, and I don't even particularly like children, so becoming a father wouldn't be a very responsible thing to do, would it?
There has always been, and will always be, a fraction of the American population who choose not to have children. In spite of this, the projected population of the US in 2050 is 439 million (compared to today's 310 million). It doesn't seem that my choosing only to raise a Husky is having too much of an impact!
You rationalize things well.
Stick around and educate yourself. When Aisha in her headscarf or Maria who speaks no English is taking care of you in your old age, your decision may look different.
Since that's your only counter to the facts and arguments I presented, I can only assume that I should substitute "make rational choices" for "rationalize things" in the above sentence.
Stick around and educate yourself. When Aisha in her headscarf or Maria who speaks no English is taking care of you in your old age, your decision may look different.
Ah, so you're not afraid that there won't be enough people in the USA in the future after all...you're just concerned that there won't be enough of the right kind of people.
Got it.
It’s really funny how the people that accuse the childless of being selfish always throw having kids to support you into their argument. THAT’S the selfish move, creating life for the sole purpose of having somebody to wipe your butt in your dotage is the most selfish thing imaginable. If there’s somebody selfish in this thread it’s you, not to mention insulting, and just plain shrill.
>>Ah, so you’re not afraid that there won’t be enough people in the USA in the future after all...you’re just concerned that there won’t be enough of the right kind of people. <<
Exactly. Maybe you haven’t noticed but America is a Melting Pot. The two women I mentioned aren’t melting. Get it?
Those would be the two fictional women that you just made up, yes?
(A woman who would dare to wear a headscarf...oh, the horror!)
In any case, let me assure you that your concerns are clear as crystal.
(A woman who would dare to wear a headscarf...oh, the horror!)
I can live with the headscarves. The bad is their husbands plan on replacing your laws with Sharia law.
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