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Hello Cheap Energy, Hello Brave New World
Forbes ^ | Oct 17 2011 | Mark Gibbs

Posted on 10/17/2011 8:31:03 PM PDT by Kevmo

Over on Network World where I’ve had a gig as a columnist for about 18 years, my Backspin column I wrote this week about a power generation system called E-Cat that is to be tested on October 28th .

If you’ve missed the recent brouhaha over the E-Cat (which stands for Energy Catalyzer), you’re missing out on a three ring circus over a technology that will either change everything or change nothing because what is promised is, in theory, power too cheap to be worth metering .

(Excerpt) Read more at forbes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events; Technical
KEYWORDS: cmns; coldfusion; ecat; lenr; scientism
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1 posted on 10/17/2011 8:31:06 PM PDT by Kevmo
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The Cold Fusion Ping List
http://www.freerepublic.com/tag/coldfusion/index?tab=articles

http://www.forbes.com/sites/markgibbs/2011/10/17/hello-cheap-energy-hello-brave-new-world/

When I posted this article, the screen said that Forbes.com must be excerpted & linked, even though it does not show up on the excerpt & link page posted at the front of Free Republic.


2 posted on 10/17/2011 8:32:49 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: All; y'all; et al

excerpt & copyright page

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1111944/posts


3 posted on 10/17/2011 8:35:13 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: All; y'all; et al

Mainstream Media Finally Picking up on Rossi and E-cat

http://energycatalyzer3.com/news/mainstream-media-finally-picking-up-on-rossi-and-e-cat

It seems like the mainstream media in the United States is finally picking up on the importance of Andrea Rossi’s e-cat device. In a column on the website of one of America’s most prestigious business publications Forbes, Mark Gibbs accurately describes what e-cat is and more importantly grasps its potential for changing the world.

Mark Gibbs

This is the first time that a mainstream publication in the US has seriously covered the e-cat or at least made an effort to understand it. At least one journalist in the US is trying. Anyway the article and a similar one that Gibbs wrote for the trade publication Network World that has also been published on a batch of websites makes some interesting points. His understanding of the science like mine is quite fuzzy but Mr. Gibbs does seem to understand how revolutionary low energy nuclear reaction will be.

The below is in his worlds but it does a very good job of describing how e-cat could affect the economy:
• Where today you use petroleum products for motive energy (for example, to propel cars, trucks, and planes) you will be using steam engines or Stirling engines. In theory you’ll be able to drive across the country for cents. What will that do to the trucking industry? The shipping industry? Aviation?
• With the demand for gasoline falling overnight and petroleum becoming needed primarily as feedstock for plastics, the US would immediately become self-sufficient in crude oil. What will happen in the Middle East without the huge flow of cash from the Western hemisphere? How will world politics be changed?
• An E-Cat system could power your house or office making the existing grid obsolete. What would it mean to make your personal and corporate electricity and gas bills nearly zero?
• The cost of manufacturing would fall very quickly with energy removed from the equation. If you are in manufacturing of any kind, this will affect you enormously. How fast could and how would you rework your corporate strategy to become competitive in a market where prices suddenly plummeted (note that the suddenly reduced cash flows would play havoc with the finance structures of many corporations).

Note I do disagree with Mr. Gibbs on one point here, cold fusion will not make fossil fuels like oil or natural gas obsolete overnight. Conversion to the new technology will take several years at the minimum. Still it is a disruptive technology that could change everything.

This could soon be obsolete thanks to Mr. Rossi and others

I might also add that the big demand for oil from the Middle East is in Europe not the USA. The countries most effected if the US wasn’t buying oil would be Canada, Mexico and Venezuela (Hugo Chavez had better start house shopping in Miami if the oil money stops and make sure he has a couple of extra rooms for his friends the Castro brothers to stay in).

This could soon go the way of the livery stable and dial telephones

He also fails to note all the extra profits lots of business will make without high energy costs. Many of those would be passed onto the consumers which would be good. Gibbs also does not seem to be aware of some of the other work being done in cold fusion such as that at Defkalion and at Brillouin.


4 posted on 10/17/2011 8:38:59 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

Much more here:

http://lenr.qumbu.com/rossi_ecat_proof_frames_v401.php


5 posted on 10/17/2011 8:41:41 PM PDT by astuddis
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To: Kevmo

Nickle is not the most abundant mineral..so investments in nickle mines should be good. Officially, I must doubt this modern alchemy.


6 posted on 10/17/2011 8:43:53 PM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: Kevmo
If this device works as claimed,

The only words worth reading in his entire column.

7 posted on 10/17/2011 8:46:07 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo

Whether this works or not, there WILL be some discoveries in the next several years that will drastically reduce the cost and increase the accessibility of energy. The incentives, and the currently unused inventiveness of engineers, etc. (”the unemployed engineer working in the garage”) are bound to make this happen.

When it does happen, then bye-bye muzzies!!!! And bye-bye Algore and the entire strategy of the Dictator Party!!!!


8 posted on 10/17/2011 8:46:07 PM PDT by Honorary Serb (Kosovo is Serbia! Free Srpska! Abolish ICTY!)
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To: Moonman62
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Your Seagulling contribution to this thread is duly noted

Why don’t you buzz off and eat some garbage?


9 posted on 10/17/2011 8:51:10 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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Oh what a wonderful fantasy... For this sort of energy to be so cheap and abundant that the price of oil would drop back to $5 a barrel (it would always have some value, for manufacturing and lubrication). Seeing the OPEC countries economies crash would be so cool! How wonderful would it to be able to tell the Saudis, the Kuwaitis, Iraq, Iran, and the rest of those countries to GO POUND SAND!

And be able to tell Israel, "Hey, nobody needs them anymore. If they screw with you, WIPE THEM OUT!

Mark

10 posted on 10/17/2011 8:52:02 PM PDT by MarkL (Do I really look like a guy with a plan?)
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How wonderful would it to be able to tell the Saudis, the Kuwaitis, Iraq, Iran, and the rest of those countries to GO POUND SAND!
***Literally


11 posted on 10/17/2011 8:54:06 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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Seagulls are turd eaters ;-)

Assume you saw the report from the Motorola Solutions physicist who measured a 3:1 output-to-input energy production ratio even in an abbreviated test. 3 to 1 says there’s something going on here!


12 posted on 10/17/2011 8:56:37 PM PDT by bigbob
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...tell Israel, "Hey, nobody needs them anymore. If they screw with you, WIPE THEM OUT!

Yep.

13 posted on 10/17/2011 8:58:22 PM PDT by ottbmare (off-the-track Thoroughbred mare)
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To: bigbob

Assume you saw the report from the Motorola Solutions physicist who measured a 3:1 output-to-input energy production ratio even in an abbreviated test. 3 to 1 says there’s something going on here!
***So naturally, the seagull criticism of that finding is that 3:1 is too low for commercial viability. Rossi had the output dialed down to 1/3 or so.

http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex- href=”mailto:l@eskimo.com”>l@eskimo.com/msg52970.html


14 posted on 10/17/2011 8:59:46 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

Everything I know about cold fusion was learned from a guest on the Art Bell radio program, 1999. The man had built a cold fusion generator in his backyard. It’s true! Really!


15 posted on 10/17/2011 9:05:13 PM PDT by WestwardHo
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To: WestwardHo

Everything I know about cold fusion was learned from a guest on the Art Bell radio program,
***Well, then we must all bow to your superior knowledge of this subject /s


16 posted on 10/17/2011 9:09:06 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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To: Kevmo

Cheap and plentiful energy caused the industrial revolution and second industrial revolution and America’s growth in the 50’s-70’s. It is one of the major determining factors in prosperity (freedom to act is too, of course)


17 posted on 10/17/2011 9:12:10 PM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Happiness)
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To: bigbob
Assume you saw the report from the Motorola Solutions physicist

I thought Motorola Solutions was communications company, and how do you know that Bob Higgins is a physicist?

18 posted on 10/17/2011 9:13:19 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Kevmo
Well, then we must all bow to your superior knowledge of this subject /s

You do realize that your continued attacks against other posters expressing their opinions is likely the single largest reason why these ideas are being treated like Art Bell fantasies?

Every time I get tempted to look deeper into this, I come across one of your smart assed seagull comments and realize that you're acting just like a liberal - you attack the poster rather than their point. And that, for a discussion forum, is a pretty abusive response. Maybe ECat will work, maybe it won't, but personally, I'd prefer if you stumbled off to a forum which encourages such childish behavior and leave posting on this topic to people who can actually conduct useful discussions, including those who doubt the technology.

19 posted on 10/17/2011 9:15:00 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: kingu

Yah, bowl sheet. My comment is smart a$$ed, librul and childish while his Art Bell comment furthers serious discussion.


20 posted on 10/17/2011 9:17:42 PM PDT by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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