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E-Cat Goes Undercover
E Cat News ^ | Oct. 20, 2011 | admin

Posted on 10/20/2011 11:11:39 AM PDT by count-your-change

The story that follows this headline:

"As Interest in the E-Cat Spikes, Rossi says the October 28th E-Cat Test Will be the Last Public One" (Read more: http://www.ecatnews.net/#ixzz1bLUVpDa6)

indicates that the much hyped and long awaited October 28 test will only be semi-public as the ones conducting the tests will be the "customer's consultants". Just who that is remains a secret and probably will remain so since if the test that fails there won't be a customer.


TOPICS: News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: coldfusion; ecat; rossi; seagullthread
Will there be videos? How long will the test run? Questons, questions, questions.
1 posted on 10/20/2011 11:11:43 AM PDT by count-your-change
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To: count-your-change

2 posted on 10/20/2011 11:24:16 AM PDT by xjcsa (Ridiculing the ridiculous since the day I was born.)
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To: xjcsa

Is that the Fusion Bunny?


3 posted on 10/20/2011 11:31:32 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: xjcsa

I haven’t heard about the bunny/pancake. When will it be tested?


4 posted on 10/20/2011 11:32:05 AM PDT by bkepley
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To: count-your-change
Surprise, surprise.
5 posted on 10/20/2011 11:36:12 AM PDT by PLMerite (Shut the Beyotch Down! Burn, baby, burn!)
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To: count-your-change

We’ll see positive energy production right after global warming is proved beyond any reasonable doubt.

This guy has the scientific competence of an Obama administration official.


6 posted on 10/20/2011 11:36:48 AM PDT by Da Coyote
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To: count-your-change

Haha, how perfect is that? Time for utter secrecy!

Prepare for the collapse of this scam.


7 posted on 10/20/2011 11:42:45 AM PDT by dinodino
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To: PLMerite

“Rick, If you sign up to buy today you can have a uniform just like this one.”


8 posted on 10/20/2011 11:52:12 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: Kevmo

lenr ping


9 posted on 10/20/2011 11:53:09 AM PDT by Fractal Trader
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To: dinodino

You still have time to cancel that down payment check.


10 posted on 10/20/2011 11:55:50 AM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

The good news is that E-Cat works. The bad news is that it emits crank rays.

Seriously, I have no idea if it works or not: Rossi is surely a crank of the first water, but so was Tesla - and there seem to be quite a few professionally qualified people who think he has something.

Anyway, the 28th will tell the tale, unless it doesn’t.


11 posted on 10/20/2011 11:59:16 AM PDT by Grut
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To: count-your-change

I wonder if the “customer’s consultants” are like the planted shills that a psychic puts into the audience?


12 posted on 10/20/2011 12:00:01 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: ZX12R

If he has chosen his customers carefully they will keep their mouths shut out of embarassment.


13 posted on 10/20/2011 12:05:05 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: Grut
The Stirling engine works, has few moving parts and is well understood but there's a reason its not powering Chevys and home electrical plants.
14 posted on 10/20/2011 12:09:19 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change

Methinks the scam is imploding.


16 posted on 10/20/2011 12:22:27 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ("Government does not solve problems; it subsidizes them." --Ronald Reagan)
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To: count-your-change

Back in the 1970’s Ford has actually made a few Sterling-based
cars. Read the reports from the SAE (society of automotive engineers). The issue is the size (large) of the engines and its low power.

Brief summary: Sterling engines are just external combustion engines and the main problem is the heat conduction from the exterior to the interior, thus power (i.e. energy/time) is low. With internal combustion engines, the combustion energy is INSTANTLY available to the engine interiors thus power is high.

So for common use, sterling cars are not appropriate. Now, if you are a survivalist, far from any source of liquid fuel, the Sterling car is for you since you can run a Sterling car on wood chips.


17 posted on 10/20/2011 12:24:23 PM PDT by barracuda1412
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To: dinodino

dinodino, you are absolutely correct.

E-Cat going undercover? What a shame. What will fanboy KevMo do? What tragedy!!!!

I always wanted to be in the front row to see closely how such delusional schemes terminate themselves. I learned about the Hydrino/(Randell Mills) scheme a little late in the game so I missed out on the twists and turns of that delusional set-up.

Blacklight Power (Randell Mill’s hydrino company) have preceded Rossi’s Ni/H scheme by more than 2 years and it amounted to nothing. It is quite revealing that fanboy Kevmo never referred to the hydrino scheme.

The so-called “proof” by Rossi’s fanboys that the process in Rossi’s reactors is LENR by comparing the energy output per unit mass of hydrogen with comparable chemical reactions has been used by the hydrino fanboys about 2 years ago. And Rossi’s fanboys never acknowledged their stealing their “proof” from the hydrino fanboys.

What the fanboys of Rossi and Mills overlooked was that the Ni/H reactors had not 1 but 2 chemical reactions, one of them was never referenced in their “proof”. This second chemical reaction is -strictly being- a physico-chemical process whose dynamics do not follow the conventional chemical reaction. What is this physico-chemical process? That is the homework for the Rossi/Mills fanboys who seem intellectually lazy.

I am very sure that - at least in the beginning - Mills and Rossi were very sincere.

When a freshly-made reactor was used, the initial - keyword: initial - energy output per unit mass of hydrogen is about 20 to 60 times the energy output of a typical chemical reaction.

What excitement!!! This 20 to 60 ratio was the basis of the fanboys’ “proof” that what one is seeing is indeed LENR.

Now is where the sense of dread kicks in for the fanboys: as more hydrogen is fed into the reactor, the energy output per unit mass of hydrogen decreases eventually to 1 time the energy output of a typical chemical reaction. If one sum up the total energy output of the Rossi/Mills reactor, the average energy output per unit mass of hydrogen is about 2 times that of 1 typical chemical reaction. Rossi’s fanboys are not divulging everything and they need to - somehow - account to whoever is/are the investor(s). Mills’ fanboys have been a little bit more honest.

Although I believe that Free Republic is a conservative website, KevMo acts like a Liberal/Progressive: keep repeating the same nonsense, hoping that people will buy.

Posting “scientific” blogs every day for the past 3 months overlooks one thing: all the mechanisms proposed to explain Rossi/Mills Ni/H reactor can be applied to any other chemical reactor (Fe-based, Cu-based, whatever). The very same mechanisms imply a very different geological behavior of planet Earth and one is not seeing experimentally these phenomena since the conditions of the Rossi/Mills Ni/H reactor are very mild geologically speaking: higher pressure and higher temperature will only increase the rate of the LENR reactions and it is not just not showing up in the geological records.

The overall efficiency of the Rossi/Mills Ni/H reactor to produce electrical energy - keyword: electrical - is less than that of the common Ni/H battery. The Rossi/Mills Ni/H reactor needs to convert the thermal energy into electric energy which brings much inefficiency (via Carnot’s law); the common Ni/H battery converts chemical energy directly into electric energy.


18 posted on 10/20/2011 12:25:34 PM PDT by barracuda1412
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To: bkepley
If he has chosen his customers carefully they will keep their mouths shut out of embarassment.

LOL! Or at least disguises. Maybe those nose/mustache glasses.
19 posted on 10/20/2011 12:28:27 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: ZX12R
Rossi Technologies in New Hampshire is some sort of “consulting” business, I believe. I wonder if Apmenergo is the “customer”. Oh well... the “TEST” approaches!
20 posted on 10/20/2011 12:46:51 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
Rossi Technologies in New Hampshire is some sort of “consulting” business, I believe. I wonder if Apmenergo is the “customer”. Oh well... the “TEST” approaches!

Who knows. He can't say anything straight out. I can't wait. I hope that preacher is wrong about the world ending tomorrow, I want to see the test.
21 posted on 10/20/2011 12:51:34 PM PDT by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: barracuda1412
If I were a survivalist I'd stock up on avgas for fuel since it can set in storage without going bad for long periods.

But given a choice, I'd rather have a small steam engine than a Stirling engine.

22 posted on 10/20/2011 1:29:24 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: barracuda1412

Scams do tend to follow a formula. Buyer beware.


23 posted on 10/20/2011 1:34:02 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: ZX12R

>LOL! Or at least disguises. Maybe those nose/mustache glasses.

A bag over the head with cut-out eyes would be more appropriate. There’s no need to make the whole thing look like a farce.


24 posted on 10/20/2011 1:38:28 PM PDT by bkepley
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
I rather think if the test takes place it will be deemed a success no matter what the outcome. Any e-cat test you can walk away from is a good e-cat test.
25 posted on 10/20/2011 1:39:15 PM PDT by count-your-change (You don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough.)
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To: count-your-change
The entire Rossi tirade is too good not to post.
"We will run also in self sustained mode, the periods will depend on many factors. In any case, the power output will be 6 times the power input. About the snakes: the time of the snakes is over. The start up of the 1 MW plant is the end of the mental masturbations of enviuos, wannabe theorists, lecturers of calorimetry and engineering. Now LENR goes to the market. The test will not be made by me, but by the Customers’ consultants. Time of chatters is over. Maybe the test will not be good, maybe: it will be the first time I will start up a plant of that dimension, but in this case the problem will be the Customer, not the bunch of imbeciles that instead of understanding that we actually made LENR a reality lose their time digging holes on the surface the water in the middle of the ocean to find the wine. And in the case this test will go not well, we will learn and remake another, and another, and another, but, be sure, we will arrive to the target. At any cost."
Buyer beware.
26 posted on 10/20/2011 1:41:49 PM PDT by Moonman62 (The US has become a government with a country, rather than a country with a government.)
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To: Moonman62
Scams do tend to follow a formula. Buyer beware.

I don't think it's a scam: Rossi and Defkalion's pissing contest over his and their devices is about something. But I have to admit that after the disappointments of October 6th, I'm looking at October 28th the way Charlie Brown looks at Lucy and the football.

27 posted on 10/20/2011 2:44:59 PM PDT by Grut
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To: barracuda1412
Although I believe that Free Republic is a conservative website, KevMo acts like a Liberal/Progressive: keep repeating the same nonsense, hoping that people will buy.

In some of Kevmo's posts from earlier this year, he claims to have made money from cold fusion. But if you dig a little deeper into how he made that money, it's through some sort of betting game. I'm not a gambler, so I don't really understand how it works, but from what I could gather, people buy and sell "shares" based on a selection of outcomes. Kind of like horse racing, I guess, except that the outcomes being bet on are the eCat being real, or the eCat being a hoax.

Do I need to point out that I don't really trust Kevmo's motives in pushing this eCat thing?

28 posted on 10/22/2011 9:08:28 AM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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