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Warning! Progressives’ NPV Plan for White House Control, 2012 & Permanently
Gulag Bound ^ | October 21, 2011 | Jacquerie of Wake Up America

Posted on 10/21/2011 11:46:20 AM PDT by unspun

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1 posted on 10/21/2011 11:46:30 AM PDT by unspun
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So you've decided to sit this Freepathon out, eh?
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2 posted on 10/21/2011 11:47:53 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: unspun

bump.


3 posted on 10/21/2011 11:49:56 AM PDT by ken21
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To: unspun

If the libtards want it, it can’t be good, so I am agin it.


4 posted on 10/21/2011 11:52:14 AM PDT by Mr. K (We need a TEA Party march on GOP headquarters ~!!)
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To: TheOldLady; Darksheare

Have you seen Dark’s kittehs?

They has a familiar.


5 posted on 10/21/2011 11:53:12 AM PDT by humblegunner (The kinder, gentler version...)
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To: unspun

Washington, D.C.=Madrid, 1936.


6 posted on 10/21/2011 11:57:25 AM PDT by IbJensen (Ron Paul For President! Or anyone other that Romney!)
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To: humblegunner; TheOldLady

Yup.
Did the text on Icanhazcheezburger, did the text and links in the previous Reepathon thread.
Decided to toss it out there today to seee if anyone complains to me about it.


7 posted on 10/21/2011 11:58:12 AM PDT by Darksheare (You will never defeat Bok Choy!)
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To: All

Is this good information before I get all worked up? If this happens it IS that step too far.


8 posted on 10/21/2011 11:58:22 AM PDT by Irenic
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To: unspun

Every State should have an equal vote.


9 posted on 10/21/2011 11:59:08 AM PDT by Paladin2
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To: unspun
Do you think the voters in those states (of which you may be one) have an idea this has happened? Of course not

No, it won't be noticed until it actually happens and then it will be immediately rescinded by the states burned by it.

For example, when a GOP candidate loses California by 14% but wins the popular vote by .05% - all California's electoral votes will go to the GOP candidate.

Only then, will the vast majority of dimwits out there realize that they are being disenfranchised and raise the sort of outrage that will knock the house of cards down.

In fact, I would imagine any state faced with this predicament would change the law back, between the actual vote and the meeting of the electoral college.

The US Constitution does not mandate how a state should determine its electoral votes, so these moves are all legal. But a state legislature that negates the majority vote of its constituents will have hell to pay if they don't correct it immediately.

10 posted on 10/21/2011 12:08:40 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: unspun

Blah blah blah - They’d have to re-write the constitution to do this, which would require passing Congress first, then the states ratify it. Not going to happen, I’ll save my worries for real challenges.


11 posted on 10/21/2011 12:21:11 PM PDT by kingu (Everything starts with slashing the size and scope of the federal government.)
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To: dead

I was about to post the same thought, and am glad I scrolled to the end.

All it will take to end this is for a conservative to win the popular vote and receive the electoral votes from a big liberal state. But, the state legislatures would probably call an emergency session to hastily change the law before it would actually happen.


12 posted on 10/21/2011 12:28:37 PM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: justlurking
Changing the way votes are counted happens in Massachusetts all the time.
Every time the Dems don't like the vote, the Dems would change to rules to suit themselves. This doesn't surprise me a bit.
13 posted on 10/21/2011 12:35:06 PM PDT by lucky american (I'm tired.)
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To: Darksheare

This was also introduced in the most recent Oregon legislature, but didn’t go anywhere.


14 posted on 10/21/2011 12:37:35 PM PDT by aimhigh
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To: humblegunner; Darksheare
Yes, I have seen Darks's kittehs. I've seen them all day long. First on the FReepathon thread, and later on the forum. I do love the graphic and the links that Darks has so cleverly added.

We were doing a little SPAM duel this afternoon where we each raced to SPAM the threads before the other one.

So I saw his stuff, and he saw mine, all afternoon. That was great fun!
15 posted on 10/21/2011 12:38:22 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: unspun
The counter-attack involves allocating electoral votes by congressional district, rather than winner-takes-all. Each state gets a number of electors equal to the number of congressmen plus the number of senators the state has. Most states give all their electors to the statewide winner. An alternate way to do it is for the winner in each congressional district to get that district's elector, and the statewide winner gets the extra two electors.

Doing it this way nullifies big-city vote fraud.

Pennsylvania and Wisconsin are considering this. Maine and Nebraska are already set up this way.

16 posted on 10/21/2011 12:44:29 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: Mr. K

It means that the cities elect the president.


17 posted on 10/21/2011 1:01:39 PM PDT by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: justlurking; dead; kingu
Constitution, Article II Section 1:
Each State shall appoint, in such Manner as the Legislature thereof may direct, a Number of Electors, equal to the whole Number of Senators and Representatives to which the State may be entitled in the Congress: but no Senator or Representative, or Person holding an Office of Trust or Profit under the United States, shall be appointed an Elector.
The manner of choosing who gets the state's electoral votes are entirely up to the legislature. They could entirely dispense with having people vote for president and have the state legislature pick who gets the votes, if they feel like it.

BUT, once they have made a rule on how to choose electors, they MAY NOT change the rule after electors are chosen. United States Code, Title 3 chapter 1

Determination of controversy as to appointment of electors

§ 5. If any State shall have provided, by laws enacted prior to the day fixed for the appointment of the electors, for its final determination of any controversy or contest concerning the appointment of all or any of the electors of such State, by judicial or other methods or procedures, and such determination shall have been made at least six days before the time fixed for the meeting of the electors, such determination made pursuant to such law so existing on said day, and made at least six days prior to said time of meeting of the electors, shall be conclusive, and shall govern in the counting of the electoral votes as provided in the Constitution, and as hereinafter regulated, so far as the ascertainment of the electors appointed by such State is concerned.

Paragraph 2 of the above US Code also prescribes that if electors are not chosen by election by the deadline (say, because civil unrest has disrupted elections), then the legislature may choose who gets the electors.
18 posted on 10/21/2011 1:02:33 PM PDT by PapaBear3625 (When you've only heard lies your entire life, the truth sounds insane.)
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To: justlurking
All it will take to end this is for a conservative to win the popular vote and receive the electoral votes from a big liberal state.

It will create a big enough backlash either way.

By definition, this plan is inacted by a state legislature, and will remain completely ignored until such a time when a state's majority differs from the national majority.

It doesn't matter whether its Dem or GOP, the law will have the effect of screwing the majority of the state's voters by nullifying their vote. And the screwers won't be in far off Washington. They'll be the politicians in the state with a newly enraged majority! The benefitting national party will try to demand the electoral votes, but all politics are local and the majority in the state will get their way.

The idea is so completely stupid, it is its own suicide pill.

19 posted on 10/21/2011 1:08:56 PM PDT by dead (I've got my eye out for Mullah Omar.)
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To: IbJensen

I’m just finishing “The Battle for Spain” by Antony Beevor. I concur with your post.


20 posted on 10/21/2011 2:06:44 PM PDT by mrmeyer ("When brute force is on the march, compromise is the red carpet." Ayn Rand)
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