Posted on 10/22/2011 11:31:55 PM PDT by Kevmo
Dr. George Miley Replicates Patterson, Names Rossi
Ecat site - Long-time cold fusion researcher Dr. George Miley, affiliate professor at the University of Illinois, has recently released a report documenting his successful replication of the work of cold fusion pioneer James Patterson. Dr. Miley feels that the work of Mr. Patterson and Andrea Rossi have many similarities and has offered a theory that is felt to cover both. Dr. Miley recently spoke at the World Green Energy Synopsium in Philadelphia, PA from October 19-21, 2011. A Microsoft Power Point presentation was released on October 3 documenting his work and experimental results. I have included a slide show of this presentation below. Please note that such presentations usually serve as a guide to an accompanying lecture, of which I do not have access to at the present time. I will post it if and when it becomes available
Here is the link to the 56 page powerpoint presentation - Nuclear Battery Using D-Clusters in Nano-materials --- plus some comments about prior H2-Ni power cell studies
Excess heats of 1-2 kW were consistently produced with the Patterson cells. How? Light water and Ni should not produce a reaction!! The next slides explain my search for an answer. I propose that similar studies should be done for rossis cell.
Rational for Combined SIMS-NAA
Analysis for a large number of isotopes needed
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NAA is time consuming and was limited to nine elements with appropriate cross sections where reference standards were available
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SIMS, with ultra low detection limits, could detect all isotopes rapidly, but it provides relative isotope concentrations and abundance ratios are more precisely than it does absolute concentrations
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Thus the SIMS concentration values were normalized to the more accurate NAA results.
There is some discussion that he not getting the kilowatts that Patterson was claiming I hear from attendees that Miley is getting about 300 watts of thermal power without inputting any energy.
George Miley has worked on all kinds of nuclear fusion and headed the nuclear fusion department at the University of Illinois. He is a far more respectable source and researcher than Rossi.
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[Vo]:People who did not believe in airplanes in 1912
Jed Rothwell
Sat, 22 Oct 2011 14:24:55 -0700
In 1908, the Wright brothers ignited the first modern worldwide media frenzy
by demonstrating the airplane. They were soon feted by Royalty in Europe,
and by the president in the White House. They were in the headlines for
months. They flew in front of a million people in New York City in 1909. Air
races soon began, and aviators become international celebrities.
Meanwhile . . . in small towns across America, many people thought it was
all a gigantic hoax. They thought that airplanes are impossible, and the
news stories were bunk. They resembled the people today who think the moon
landings were staged, and the airplanes that crashed into the buildings on
9/11 were holograms.
Around 1912, an aviator came to a town in the U.S. with an airplane crated
up in the express freight car. He wanted to do a demonstration, and charge
admission. The sheriff soon came to him and said: “Son, you better take the
next train out of town. A crowd is gathering to tar and feather you for
fraud. You can’t fool these honest country folk with your big-city hoax.”
That really happened, although I embellished the dialog . . . Anyway, let’s
imagine I am standing out in a field with one of those stalwart sons of the
soil, and an airplane flies over.
ME: Look, an airplane! It must be 1,000 feet up! What did I tell you?
SKEPTIC: It is *not* 1,000 feet up! No way. I am an expert in trigonometry,
and I assure you, it is no more than 635 feet.
ME: Okay, but it is way up there.
SKEPTIC: Look, you just made an error of more than 300 feet. A 300 foot
error! That’s 635 feet plus or minus 300 feet, so as far as you know, it
could be only 335 feet high. Make another error like that, and it could be
on the ground.
ME: But, but . . . it was right up there. It can’t be that far down . . .
SKEPTIC: You don’t know how far up or down! You can’t say with any
precision. If you don’t know exactly how high it is, you can’t prove it was
up in the air at all. Look at Heffner’s analysis. He shows the COP might
even be negative. For all you know, that airplane might be 100 feet under
the ground. Without precision measurements and the proper instruments, you
have nothing.
ME: But we saw it!
SKEPTIC: Let’s not talk about what *you* saw. Let’s talk about what I know,
as an expert in trigonometry. I assure you, that airplane could not have
been more than 653 feet, 4 inches, and 5 sixteenths of an inch. Since I can
determine that with such precision and authority, I must be an expert and I
must be right, so the airplane might actually be on the ground.
Estimating the height from observations, first principles and common sense
is junk science! You cannot know anything unless you look at how the
thermovoltage
will be partially shorted. This is VERY obvious. You have to look at “fine”
sources of errors, and unknown errors. You haven’t even considered the issue
of thermal electroosmose.
Not only that, but there is a huge difference between a crude flying machine
and a real means of transportation. Rossi claims he will sell his products
soon, actually they are not usable yet, they are technologically immature.
Yes, that sounds ridiculous. But it is no more ridiculous than the assertion
that 30 L of water in a poorly insulated metal box can boil for 4 hours with
no source of energy, while you add another 60 L of cold water. (Or 30 L, or
10, or 5 if you like!)
If you accept the eyewitness accounts that the power was off; that the box
remained hot; water at a visible flow rate emerged from it; and it was so
hot it burned someone three hours later, then either you accept that it was
producing kilowatt levels of heat internally, or you are a scientific
illiterate. This does not rule out fraud, but fraud is about as plausible as
the notion that the airplane flying by in 1912 was actually suspended on a
steel cable. How would you get the cable so far up with no visible means of
support? Fraud is more implausible than a real reaction would be.
- Jed
RE: [Vo]:Dr. George Miley Replicates Patterson, Names Rossi
Jones Beene
Sat, 22 Oct 2011 11:14:17 -0700
BTW one thing not discussed earlier was slide #48 - entitled “Preliminary
Excess Heat Measurement” etc.
This used nanopowder supplied by Brian Ahern, if I am not mistaken, and yet
it was NOT his most active nanopowder. Not even close. There is a typo in
the description which should have included Ni at 65% — so the material had
a Ni:Pd ration of 65:35 and this nickel alloy was embedded in a zirconia
matrix (using the Japanese technique which Arata/Takahashi and others used).
As you may have noticed, a few of the last slides seem to be kind of an
after-the-fact addition to an overall presentation that may have started out
to be about Patterson only. These later slides have typos, and they seem to
have been added as a hasty afterthought.
I think what could have happened was that this line of experiments started
out as a Patterson replication, but in the meantime they tested nano-powder
from Ahern and got spectacular results with deuterium - to the degree that
they wanted to get the information out there. Rumor has it that several
hundred watts of continuous excess has been seen by Miley’s group.
I am hoping Brian will now send his most active powder, which has the copper
addition (in the Romanowski ratio) instead of palladium, and let them use
hydrogen for comparison. BTW - Copper is NOT a transmutation product in
Ahern’s results, it was specifically added in order to improve spillover,
which it does better than palladium (with hydrogen).
Importantly, slide #48 shows the run with deuterium instead of hydrogen. The
lesson seems to be Ni-Pd nanopowder works best with deuterium and Ni-Cu
works best with hydrogen. You can get the Pd ratio down to 5% and it still
works. The zero-point vibration amplitude hydrogen vs deuterium depends on
mass, and the 2:1 ratio means far different displacement parameters, when
confined in cavities or matrices.
Ahern used no deuterium in any testing, and he assumes Rossi did not either;
but Ahern gets only a small amount of excess heat. That is why he has been
so critical of Rossi. He thinks that Rossi is also getting only a smaller
amount of excess than is claimed, but is making it look like far more by
using intentionally deceitful measurements. You may be aware of Ahern’s
negative comments on Rossi on other forums. He does realize that Rossi is
getting “some excess” but thinks the guy is dishonestly padding the results
to make them look better. For instance, the “frequency generator” could be
drawing FAR more power than indicated, if employs high voltage pulsation.
AFAIK - Ahern has not considered the possibility that Rossi has been
secretly using deuterium in his private testing (and plans to on the 28th).
Rossi may realize that hydrogen works for some excess, but deuterium works
more reliably.
That could be the message we could be getting from Miley’s slides. Miley’s
group apparently could be getting up to 50 times more excess heat from the
same powder supplied by Ahern, using deuterium instead of hydrogen. This
begs the question - given Rossi’s past problems with confusing “trade
secrets” with outright dishonesty: could he be planning on using deuterium
(when it matters most) but trying to keep that as a trade secret by not
using it at all, until the appointed hour?
In one early test in Bologna, a tank of deuterium was seen, which -LOL-
Rossi claimed was use to quench the reaction! In retrospect, this could be
part as an outrageous deception - and D2 is in fact Rossi’s only big secret,
not the catalyst.
Please do not remind us that Rossi has made it clear from the start that he
uses only hydrogen. We can all agree that is what he has indicated publicly
in the past many times. If he were an honest man, it would be case-closed,
so spare me the counter-argument - as Rossi is not an honest man.
Bottom line: deuterium may be substituted for hydrogen on the 28th, openly
or in secret even though there is admittedly NO clear indication of this in
the public record (other than the “quenching gas”)... which nevertheless,
does not rule it out.
Side note: It is also likely that the lead shielding would be superfluous if
it were not anticipated that deuterium would be used eventually (for the
important testing).
Side note: It should be noted that it is not incorrect (semantically) to
call deuterium “hydrogen”. Deuterium is hydrogen. If one has an intent to
mislead onlookers or potential competitors, and to protect trade secrets,
then this possibility is not out of the question.
Jones
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From: Terry Blanton
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Hi, David,
This was discussed earlier in this thread if you are interested:
http://www.mail-archive.com/vortex- href=”mailto:l@eskimo.com”>l@eskimo.com/msg53212.html
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http://www.infinite-energy.com/iemagazine/issue28/criticskill.html
“Critics Kill Prof. George Miley’s Historic U.S. DOE Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions Contract”
“A secret “review” of the science behind the award by an unnamed panel of six individuals (increased for some unknown reason from the original three panelists) did the killing.”
.......Looks like other scientists have a problem with this scientists science..
I had considered contacting him with some thoughts on the Fusor. He's academic staff at one of my Alma Maters (How do you pluralize Alma Mater in the Latin?).
It might be helpful to read the history of human flight
http://www.ueet.nasa.gov/StudentSite/historyofflight.html
Kevmo, the Wright Brothers were the first to invent sustained powered flight ... not the first to fly.
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We discussed this before, none of this is known, it is all assumed ... in fact what we know is only what we see through the camera lens during one of Rossi’s shows.
Only Rossi completely handing over the device to someone who has a vested interest in the device actually working will validate this device.
For the public to know it works, will require this to be done publicly. We will have to know that the customer is either a utility or a utility equipment manufacture with a history easily verifiable.
Not like Rossi’s latest partner which created a website for 2.95 in January.
When you can’t get your work published and your funding gets canceled, you make up a Power Point presentation and go to the World Green Energy Synopsium.
Calling Rossi a researcher is a stretch, but saying someone is far more respectable isn't a stretch at all.
Dr. Miley is quite well known in LENR circles. A comment such as yours would suggest that you haven’t been keeping up with LENR developments, which is completely in line with the last few times I’ve had interactions with you. You’re just not keeping up. But that doesn’t stop you from seagulling, does it?
Why don’t you format posts like that? Don’t you want anybody to read them?
Why dont you buzz off and eat some garbage?
Why don’t you post a summary of Miley’s theory that covers Rossi’s work?
Yeah, right, as if you actually read this stuff.
I can’t read this, sorry, it looks like sea gull splatter ..
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