Politicians who love life and the God of life and who see protecting life as the highest responsibility of government should crush weaselly "Rape/Abortion" questions by quoting Rob Roy:
"It is not the child who needs killing."
Posted on 10/24/2011 7:24:06 AM PDT by Paladins Prayer
While I don’t believe Cain is one of them, there are those who claim pro-life status while also maintaining that abortion shouldn’t be criminalized. They use the “I’m personally opposed to abortion but wouldn’t impose that belief on others” argument popularized by former New York governor Mario Cuomo in a famous 1984 Notre Dame University speech. But it cuts no ice. When you advocate allowing the choice to have an abortion, it is by definition the pro-choice position.
The reality is that being “personally opposed” to abortion doesn’t make one unique. There are no politicians campaigning to resurrect the Inca practice of sacrificing children during difficult times to appease the gods; there are no prominent figures giving speeches entitled “How Abortion Brightens My Day.” The personal-opposition argument is simply a dodge — and one you could apply to anything. Child abuse? Sure, I’m personally opposed. But if my neighbor wants to mangle his naughty son, well, I won’t impose my beliefs on him.
But what of rape and incest? Horrible crimes both, there certainly is pressure to accept abortion in such cases. Yet to do so is to lose the abortion debate. This is because the pro-life position hinges on two simple principles:
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This is a case of context. Although the overall discussion was about abortion, this question is not. It is whether the mother should raise the child. Well, abortion is not the only available alternative. To interpret his answer as applying to abortion only is totally incorrect.
Herman has a long history of being pro-life. His answer to this question does not alter that.
But as far as everyone else, it's their choice. That makes him pro choice.
Read the question he was responing to; the mother raising the child. Abortion is not the only alternative. So the question is not literally "Abortion? Yes or No" Herman answered the question correctly. People are not paying attention to the actual question.
This is very similar to when Palin correctly stated that there were parts of Alaska where you could see Russia, an absolutely true statement. However, she got labeled as saying you could see Russia from her house.
That is true, but are you reading the question? The question is not should the mother have an abortion. It is should the mother raise the child. Abortion is not the only alternative and Herman is correct. Government should not be telling the mother she must raise the child. There are alternatives other than abortion.
That is true, but are you reading the question? The question is not should the mother have an abortion. It is should the mother raise the child. Abortion is not the only alternative and Herman is correct. Government should not be telling the mother she must raise the child. There are alternatives other than abortion.
Here is the quote: "Cain was asked whether abortion should be part of the political discussion. "No it should not quite frankly. But my position is real clear and has been consistent, I am pro-life," he said. The former Godfather's Pizza CEO has repeatedly called himself "pro-life" but said "it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision" in a recent CNN interview."
Did you see that Cain again just this am said that the issue of abortion should not be a political issue.
So Herman answered the literal question correctly, however because you wish to interpret the answer in the context that you have assembled, then Herman is in the wrong. Brilliant.
Actions speak lounder than words. Herman's record is 100% pro-life, anti-abortion.
Cain’s sins on this issue are twofold:
1. Answering the question as asked (his biggest flaw as a politician, and his greatest strength as a candidate.
2. Not having a canned answer that avoid potential misinterpretation that his political opponents can latch onto desperately (the evidence being found amply on this thread).
I would have found the best answer from Cain (most consistent with his statements on other issues) to be:
“I believe abortion is murder, and murder is a crime that is established at the state level. The federal government has no business limiting restrictions on abortion, which is why Roe v. Wade was wrongly decided and should be overturned, by Constitutional amendment if necessary. Politically, I acknowledge that the people of some states might choose to keep abortion unrestricted, and that is sadly their mistake to make. But those who claim to be pro-choice are actually opponents of giving the voters of each state the choice to establish restrictions or prohibitions on abortion as is their right.”
"Cain was asked whether abortion should be part of the political discussion. "No it should not quite frankly. But my position is real clear and has been consistent, I am pro-life," he said. The former Godfather's Pizza CEO has repeatedly called himself "pro-life" but said "it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision" in a recent CNN interview."
"Cain was asked whether abortion should be part of the political discussion. "No it should not quite frankly. But my position is real clear and has been consistent, I am pro-life," he said. The former Godfather's Pizza CEO has repeatedly called himself "pro-life" but said "it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision" in a recent CNN interview."
I believe it is morally wrong for someone to kill a spouse and I wouldn't want to do it but it shouldn't be illegal
I believe it is morally wrong for someone to kill a spouse and I wouldn't want to do it but it shouldn't be illegal
I posted the Cain’s words for you to read. Ignoring the facts to cling to your emotion based opinions is foolish
Politicians who love life and the God of life and who see protecting life as the highest responsibility of government should crush weaselly "Rape/Abortion" questions by quoting Rob Roy:
"It is not the child who needs killing."
Did you see Cain’s words of just today on F & F?
He did it again this am on F & F. ""Cain was asked whether abortion should be part of the political discussion. "No it should not quite frankly. But my position is real clear and has been consistent, I am pro-life," he said. The former Godfather's Pizza CEO has repeatedly called himself "pro-life" but said "it's not the government's role or anybody else's role to make that decision" in a recent CNN interview."
So what does he mean that the issue of abortion "should not be part of the political discussion"?
Maybe you should post the question along with the answer to put it into perspective. Oh wait....that doesn't fit into your agenda.
The question, and the discussion prior to the statement you quote above, was about raising the child in the case of rape or incest, not aborting it. Cain believes all aborion should be illegal, he has stated that many times, you are distoring his postion on abortion.
This shows Cain is prone to repeating the same mistakes. He took both sides of this issue last week and created a firestorm and now he's repeating the exact same mistake.
Until I see the actual transcript in total of F and F this morning I cannot trust any excerpted quote. So far his words have been taken out of context and deliberately distorted, just as they did with Palin.
Even if Cain is being flakey about this that hardly disqualifies him in comparison to the other candidates with astounding flakiness levels.
So that’s 3 times now. The Cain supporters can NOT claim it’s a mistake, a mispeak, or we are twisting his words. They are now his own words, clearly spoken, he’s 100% opposed but it’s not the governments business. Same as Kerry and same as Kennedy and the same as every liberal who wants to be on both sides of an issue.
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