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This is an extremely bad idea.
1 posted on 10/24/2011 8:17:25 AM PDT by edpc
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That no man, rich or poor, free or bond, may buy or sell save he that has the mark...


28 posted on 10/24/2011 8:36:26 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1006 of America's holiday from reality...)
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To: edpc

The Vatican needs to clean up it’s own mess of pedophiles, and Lesbian nuns, and leave financing the world to the politicians.


30 posted on 10/24/2011 8:38:02 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: edpc; narses

Read the story.

Drudge shows the Pope in formal robes at the top of his page, as if this was a papal proclamation.

No, it’s a document from the “Justice and Peace” department.

Unfortunately the Vatican still has a few nutballs in it, like any other government, and Justice and Peace is obviously one of their headquarters.

This does NOT have the Pope’s stamp of approval on it. Still less is it official Catholic doctrine.

Unfortunately the same leftist Catholic-bashers who constantly attack the Church are now suddenly pretending that they approve of it, and are holding this up as some sort of official statement on behalf of the Church.

It is not.


31 posted on 10/24/2011 8:39:01 AM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius.)
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To: edpc; NYer; Salvation; marshmallow
First, this is Reuters. They're intentionally exaggerating the significance of this Big Time.

Second, Cardinal Turkson is not the 'Vatican'. He is the head of the Vatican’s justice and peace office. The justice and peace office is responsible for promoting the church’s social teachings on justice issues, such as war, the death penalty and human rights. This kind of statement or 'call' is what that department does, thinking it is peace. Not.

Look for a clarification from the Church, the Vatican, to put the Cardinal's 'call' into proper context.

32 posted on 10/24/2011 8:40:39 AM PDT by Servant of the Cross (the Truth will set you free)
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33 posted on 10/24/2011 8:42:50 AM PDT by evets (beer)
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This proposal is really not new. Benedict XVI proposed the same idea in his encyclical, Caritas in Veritate.

One can understand this idea as trying to answer the question, “Quis custodet custodes?” (”Who will supervise the supervisors?”).

If the past 15 years have seen widespread examples of selfishness and foolishness and short-sightedness by Wall Street, US Govt (see Freddy, Fannie, Sally, Barney, etc), European banks, etc., then what solution can be crafted both to improve the present situation and to avoid a recurrence?


34 posted on 10/24/2011 8:43:40 AM PDT by Remole
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Happy Anniverary, You SOB VATFATCAT hypocrites!!

Vatican Bank mired in laundering scandal
Updated 12/12/2010 4:01 PM

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/2010-12-11-vatican-bank_N.htm

VATICAN CITY (AP) — This is no ordinary bank: The ATMs are in Latin. Priests use a private entrance. A life-size portrait of Pope Benedict XVI hangs on the wall.
Nevertheless, the Institute for Religious Works is a bank, and it is under harsh new scrutiny in a case involving money-laundering allegations that led police to seize $30 million in Vatican assets in September. Critics say the case shows that the “Vatican Bank” has never shed its penchant for secrecy and scandal.

Get behind me, Satan!!


35 posted on 10/24/2011 8:43:44 AM PDT by bunkerhill7
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Yep. A "global authority" ... because "global authorities" always work so well. Why, just look at the UN! /s

As always, the opinions of Vatican congregations on specific political / economic remedies to problems are ... opinions.

37 posted on 10/24/2011 8:47:15 AM PDT by Campion ("Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies when they become fashions." -- GKC)
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I wish the Vatican had made some attempt to recognize that our present problems are largely, though not entirely, the result of an abandonment of the market rather than its idolatry. The high-flyers were not playing with their own money.

Essentially they were told they could speculate with funds implicitly or explicitly guaranteed by the government. They got to keep any gains, and the gov would cover them for any losses. If somebody gave you $1M on that basis and sent you off to Vegas, how free would you be with the betting?

That said, the Church has never been a fan of unfettered capitalism. For a very long time it prohibited interest and other processes essential to capitalism, forcing businessmen to develop work-arounds similar to those Muslims now use.

I would also like to point out that the free market is amoral, in roughly the same way science is. The free market is a proven way of efficiently allocating resources, just as the scientific method is a proven way of acquiring (certain types of) knowledge.

Neither, in and of itself, has any moral content whatsoever. That has to be brought in from outside the market or the scientific method either by the morality of the participants or imposed by authority.

It is interesting, also, that the free market cannot survive long without this externally imposed morality.


39 posted on 10/24/2011 8:49:45 AM PDT by Sherman Logan
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This is not teaching on the subject of faith or morals, therefore subject to error.


43 posted on 10/24/2011 8:52:17 AM PDT by ChinaGotTheGoodsOnClinton (Go Egypt on 0bama)
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Narses, what do you make of this?


47 posted on 10/24/2011 8:56:15 AM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: edpc

Wow, the Pope just pulled a Fonzie and jumped a really really big shark.


49 posted on 10/24/2011 8:58:53 AM PDT by montyspython (This thread needs more cowbell)
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I would like to take this opportunity to say that anyone in the Vatican and anyone outside the Vatican that thinks this is a good idea can go fornicate themselves with an iron stick.

With all due respect.


51 posted on 10/24/2011 9:02:13 AM PDT by Grunthor (Poster may come off as abrasive, perhaps even rude. Consider this your warning.)
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More Communism from the Vatican.

Will they never give it up?

54 posted on 10/24/2011 9:03:31 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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As a practicing Catholic I have to say, NO, I do not agree with the Vatican. I don’t think that they are doing themselves any favors by putting their 2 cents in either.


55 posted on 10/24/2011 9:04:26 AM PDT by Mrs. Frogjerk
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The Vatican should know about idols.


58 posted on 10/24/2011 9:16:37 AM PDT by crosshairs (Liberalism is to truth, what east is to west.)
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It condemned what it called “the idolatry of the market”

A free market is the system that is compatible with freedom, Biblical justice, the nature of man as a rational being, and God-given natural rights. It has nothing to do with idolatry.

59 posted on 10/24/2011 9:18:55 AM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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60 posted on 10/24/2011 9:22:06 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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Its interesting to note those who fail to verify the veracity of an article before they launch their anti-catholic rants. Its just another example of accepting as Gospel Truths anything that confirms and rationalizes ones own prejudices and hatreds.

Additionally, we should note that none of the Catholic bashers who have piled on to this non-story can or will defend the current monetary policies or central banks of the individual nations of the world today.

62 posted on 10/24/2011 9:33:41 AM PDT by Natural Law (Transubstantiation - Change we can believe in.)
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This is one reason that I could never belong to the Roman Catholic Church, or any organization whose leaders would pronounce such ideas


66 posted on 10/24/2011 9:54:55 AM PDT by chesley (Eat what you want, and die like a man. Never trust anyone who hasn't been punched in the face)
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