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Asian brands dominate Consumer Reports' 2011 Auto Survey
asiaone ^ | 10/26/11

Posted on 10/26/2011 7:06:16 AM PDT by DallasBiff

Asian brands continue to dominate Consumer Reports' 2011 Annual Auto Survey, sweeping the top nine spots.

Toyota's American brand Scion leads the pack, followed by Lexus, Acura, Mazda, Honda, and Toyota.

The brands scored strong on predicted reliability tests. Of the 91 Japanese models for which Consumer Reports has sufficient data, 87 (96 percent) were rated average or better. 24 Japanese models earned the highest rating.

(Excerpt) Read more at motoring.asiaone.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: autos; chrysler; consumer; ford; gm; reports
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The UAW is not happy.
1 posted on 10/26/2011 7:06:23 AM PDT by DallasBiff
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To: DallasBiff

BUY AMERICAN

America first.

2 posted on 10/26/2011 7:08:26 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: DallasBiff

Every American vehicle I’ve ever owned was garbage. All the Jap cars I’ve owned have been great. We currently drive Nissan Xterra, Subaru WRX, and Mazda Miata. Love them all. Very solid, reliable vehicles. All fun to drive and good-looking. All get good gas mileage.


3 posted on 10/26/2011 7:10:04 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: DallasBiff

Who owns CR?


4 posted on 10/26/2011 7:15:31 AM PDT by CodeToad (Islam needs to be banned in the US and treated as a criminal enterprise.)
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To: Huck
Your Nissan Xterra was built in Tennessee, engineered in Michigan, and designed in California.
5 posted on 10/26/2011 7:18:21 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Unless it’s a Japanese nameplate built in America, the only American car I would even consider is Ford. Thanks to the corrupt Bailout, I am boycotting GM and Chrysler for life. Those companies are dead to me, and it reassures me to see that those corrupt companies build garbage - sensible people would avoid their products even if they didn’t care about the immorality of stiffing the GM bondholders or of giving our tax dollars to the UAW to keep failed companies operating.

Die, GM, die!


6 posted on 10/26/2011 7:19:51 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Huck
Every American vehicle I’ve ever owned was garbage.

Very much the opposite here. We're a Ford household, and none of us have had any problems with our vehicles. I have a 6 year old Mercury Montego, my mother drives a Mercury Milan, my brother drives a Ford Ranger, and my fiancee drives a Nissan Altima.

Every part I've ever purchased, every filter I've changed, every spark plug, O2 sensor, TPS, EGR valve, and throttle body I've ever worked on in an American vehicle was easy to repair or replace and cheap. My fiancee's Nissan has cost our household more money since I've been with her than I've ever spent on my Merc.

Foreign parts and shop labor are much higher than domestic shops, and repairs and maintenance are cheaper on domestic brands even though parts are made in Mexico and Canada. Quizzically, many parts for foreign vehicles are made in the US, and there's a premium on the cost of the parts. Perhaps Union related?

7 posted on 10/26/2011 7:22:47 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: riverdawg; Huck
Your Nissan Xterra was built in Tennessee, engineered in Michigan, and designed in California.

It's not the nameplate that matters, it's the corrupt Detroit management that has for many years substituted political maneuvering for building a quality product. I don't care if a GM car is built in Mexico, it's still not worth buying from that company or from Chrysler.

8 posted on 10/26/2011 7:23:06 AM PDT by Pollster1 (Natural born citizen of the USA, with the birth certificate to prove it)
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To: Huck
Every American vehicle I’ve ever owned was garbage. All the Jap cars I’ve owned have been great

Yup, same experience. No way I am buying American cars anymore as they have all been crap. We actually had 2 Honda Civics in the family for 10 years that required a grand total of 1 repair that went beyond upkeep. No such luck with American brands that seem to sit in the shop constantly. I've had Fords, GM's and Chryslers and all of them were shoddy products that required endless maintenance. I'm sticking with Japanese cars from now on.

I think a good rule of thumb is, if a product is made by union workers the best bet is to avoid it at all costs.

9 posted on 10/26/2011 7:26:56 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
I had the ‘buy American’ mindset in 1985 when I bought my first new car, an Oldsmobile. It was made in Canada. It started giving me all kinds of trouble at about 65,000 miles. I think I changed the alternator twice a year. Then I bought a new Saturn in 1992. I figured GM couldn’t afford to blow it on the new product, but they did. It needed a valve job at about 80,000 miles. I’ve also owned a Chevy Nova, Malibu and Chevette as well as a Ford Taurus wagon and a Mercury Sable. All crap. Not one got anywhere near 100K miles without needing significant repairs, or frequent/repetitive lesser repairs. I used to be buddies with my mechanic.

I bought an ’06 Camry with 14,000 miles in July 2006. I just turned 150,000 miles. It needed a water pump last summer, repair cost me $160. Original brakes lasted over 100,000 miles (probably 75% highway miles). Other than that, all it’s needed is tires, windshield wiper blades, light bulbs, gas and oil. The wife’s ’09 Camry just hit 75,000 and I just got new rear brakes. Likewise, nothing other than tires, windshield wiper blades, light bulbs, gas and oil. I only see my mechanic twice a year now for inspections.

I will never buy another American car.

10 posted on 10/26/2011 7:29:17 AM PDT by wny
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To: DallasBiff
In the 1980s, CR was late to realize that the quality of American designed and built cars was rapidly falling behind Japanese designed and built cars. Recently, CR has been late to realize that the quality gap between US-branded cars and non-US-branded cars is rapidly shrinking. Part of this is due to the fact that the design, engineering, and assembly of cars is now an interconnected, global enterprise. Because of this, big quality differences between different “brands” (adjusted for price, of course) will largely disappear.
11 posted on 10/26/2011 7:29:29 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
BUY AMERICAN

Why should I buy an American car if I can get a similarly priced Japanese vehicle that is of vastly better quality and won't fall to pieces as soon as the warranty expires?

My experience with American cars is that they generally suck. The problem is union labor. Japanese cars made by non union workforces in the US seem to be fine. It's the union made cars that are crap.

12 posted on 10/26/2011 7:30:40 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

I’ve now bought three American-brand cars new.

The first was a rebranded Kia.

Both recent have been American, made in the USA. They have been exceptional.

Zero problems with any of them. One even after a significant crash. American cars are very robust.


13 posted on 10/26/2011 7:30:50 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: Longbow1969
Why should I buy any vehicle when my '99 Ford pickup continues to serve me excellently?

Oh, yes.

It's a Ford.

Therefor it's crap.

Some dude on the interwebs-thingy said so ...

14 posted on 10/26/2011 7:37:12 AM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: DallasBiff

As Mrs. B likes to say: “All cars should be German, and all men should be American.”


15 posted on 10/26/2011 7:37:12 AM PDT by Atlas Sneezed (Author of BullionBible.com - Makes You a Precious Metal Expert, Guaranteed.)
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To: riverdawg

I know.


16 posted on 10/26/2011 7:38:26 AM PDT by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: DallasBiff

i’ll stick to my audi. american cars made now are junk.


17 posted on 10/26/2011 7:39:24 AM PDT by absolootezer0 (2x divorced tattooed pierced harley hatin meghan mccain luvin' REAL beer drinkin' smoker ..what?)
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To: absolootezer0

Wrong.

But Audis are way overpriced. :D

American car quality is world class now.


18 posted on 10/26/2011 7:41:18 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (America First)
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To: absolootezer0

It’s not “American made” that’s the problem,

it’s “union made” that is the problem.


19 posted on 10/26/2011 7:41:29 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: DallasBiff

I got a 2011 Mazda6 this summer. Love it! Great riding car, great gas mileage, comfortable, roomy. AND it was built in a Ford factory in Detroit by American workers, making American dollars. But 2012 will be the last year they’re built here.


20 posted on 10/26/2011 7:42:08 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Pollster1
“I don't care if a GM car is built in Mexico, ...”

I was trying to make the opposite point that many “Japanese” models are thoroughly “American” in design, engineering, and assembly. I understand what you are saying about GM and Chrysler; they have had lousy top management for decades. Having said that, we own a Toyota Highlander and a Buick Park Avenue (the latter bequeathed to mrs riverdawg by her parents before we were married). They have been virtually indistinguishable in terms of reliability and cost of maintenance over the past seven years that we have owned both.

21 posted on 10/26/2011 7:43:08 AM PDT by riverdawg
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Both recent have been American, made in the USA. They have been exceptional.

And yet this very article we are discussing says Asian brands dominate the Consumer Reports quality survey's.

You may have had some good luck, but the perception that American cars are of poor quality didn't come from nowhere. For many years Detroit made down right awful products, now they are just less good than their Japanese competitors.

I will reconsider an American car in the future once they prove to me that their union workforce can assemble something that doesn't fall apart long before it's Japanese competitors products do. My hunch is if the UAW was broken and the workers were no longer unionized, the product quality would improve.

22 posted on 10/26/2011 7:44:12 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“BUY AMERICAN “

I do. Rather than buy a GM made in Mexico, or a rebranded Mazda dressed as a Ford, I bought an Acura.

Made in Marysville, Ohio.


23 posted on 10/26/2011 7:46:39 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: Beelzebubba

In heaven the French are the chefs, the Germans run the trains, and the British are the police.

In hell the British are the chefs, the French run the trains, and the Germans are the police.


24 posted on 10/26/2011 7:49:55 AM PDT by almcbean
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“American car quality is world class now.”

Don’t get carried away. Two anecdotes:

The guy down the street leases his cars. He had a Ford Fusion. A few weeks ago, he had a new Camry. I asked him about it. He said the Fusion was ok, but had a lot of little problems, more than he would expect for that class of car, so he moved on to Toyota.

Another neighbor buys fleet trucks for a company. They have about 50 I think. Up until now, they’ve bought Ford F150s. Apparently, the new F150s have significant problems, especially the transmissions. His company is switching to Toyota Tundras. By the way, this guy drives a 2 year old Focus, and he told me the mileage is good, but the ride is not, and the road noise is terrible.


25 posted on 10/26/2011 7:58:36 AM PDT by brownsfan (Aldous Huxley and Mike Judge were right.)
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To: al_c
I got a 2011 Mazda6 this summer. Love it! Great riding car, great gas mileage, comfortable, roomy. AND it was built in a Ford factory in Detroit by American workers, making American dollars.

We have one of those in the family. The car is basically nice and it has the V6 package which is quite powerful. Problem is, its had endless electrical system problems and is always in the shop. It also had a fender that wasn't bracketed on properly and defective front brakes. I was surprised because I thought Mazda was supposed to be decent, then I discovered it was largely made in Detroit at a Ford plant and realized why it had such a poor maintenance record.

My rule of thumb now is, if something is made by a unionized workforce I simply avoid it the best I can.

26 posted on 10/26/2011 8:00:56 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: MrB

Alabama has Honda, Hyandai, Toyota, and Mercedes plants. Your Ford has as good a chance of being made in Mexico, China or any other country as a Honda, Toyota, Nissan does of being made in America now. The lines are blurred.

DH and I have owned Fords and a Chrysler. I’ll never buy another Chrysler. We bought a Caravan back in the day when we our kids were little and at a little under 20,000 miles the head gasket blew. It wasn’t even 2 years old. Then there was another constant problem with the engine. If I have to slow down to make a turn it would just shut off. Which is a whole lot of fun in heavy traffic situations because it would just die in a turn. I’d shove it in neutral to crank it and pop it back in drive and try to not look at the people swerving around me, flipping me off or cussing me out because they had to slam on their brakes and were stuck behind me after the turn. Anyway 2 Transmissions, 2 Air conditioner compressors and 2 motors later (not even 75,000 miles) it went to the junkyard. I have never been so glad to be rid of any vehicle in my life. I didn’t think any vehicle could bring out pure hatred for a car like a Vega I had as a teenager did but the Caravan topped that.

We own a 92 Camry, a 95 Camry and a 99 Camry - all are over 200,000 miles. The 95 and 99’s both have over 300,000 (dh used both for work) We are still driving all of them.

We do have a 79 Ford F100 that’s in pretty bad shape but would still start with some tweaking and sweet talking. I joke you’d have to hold your mouth just so to get the old bomb going but it would run.


27 posted on 10/26/2011 8:03:14 AM PDT by Babashane
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To: Huck
Every American vehicle I’ve ever owned was garbage.

I just recently traded in my 1997 Olds Cutlass. Took care if it and it lasted 14 years and 175,000 miles. My only complaint about it was that it was hard on brakes. Other than that, it was very dependable.

28 posted on 10/26/2011 8:04:30 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: MrB
It’s not “American made” that’s the problem,

it’s “union made” that is the problem.

Bingo. There it is in a nutshell. Unions encourage laziness, inefficiency and selfishness. If the American car companies could avoid hiring union labor, the quality of their products would likely increase dramatically. The problem is the unions.

29 posted on 10/26/2011 8:05:09 AM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: Longbow1969

buy VW- support spreading union socialism in OTHER PEOPLE’S country.


30 posted on 10/26/2011 8:07:23 AM PDT by WOBBLY BOB (See ya later, debt inflator ! Gone in 4 (2012))
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To: Longbow1969

I got the 4 cylinder model. Plenty of power and great mileage. I think the quality has improved over previous generations. There were definitely issues with the 6 in earlier years and that made me hesitant to buy one. But after reading reviews of the current generation, I was more than happy to buy one. So far, I am definitely not disappointed.


31 posted on 10/26/2011 8:08:52 AM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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To: Longbow1969

Unions, inherently, always negotiate for less work for more compensation. Invariably.


32 posted on 10/26/2011 8:10:19 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: brownsfan
The guy down the street leases his cars. He had a Ford Fusion. A few weeks ago, he had a new Camry. I asked him about it. He said the Fusion was ok, but had a lot of little problems, more than he would expect for that class of car, so he moved on to Toyota.

Ford Fusion = Mazda 6.

33 posted on 10/26/2011 8:19:43 AM PDT by Charles Martel (Endeavor to persevere...)
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To: rarestia
Best cars I ever owned, Dodge colts and Nissan Sentra. Got over 200,000 miles from the Sentra, and never had to repair anything-just normal maintenance.

Still driving a 1994 colt with 190,000 miles, just had to put on new distributor. Of course, to be fair, I must say that the engine was made by Mitsubishi.

I have to have reliability in a car. The only cars that ever stranded me were Chevy and Plymouth neither was recommended by Consumer Reports.

The reliability ratings are based on consumer's data provided to Consumer's Report, and that section is the one I pay attention to - not the reporter's conclusions.

American companies do have some cars recommended by Consumer Reports, but for a while they had pretty much given up on the smaller cars with good MPG, hence the deals with foreign companies to produce things like the colt, Geo prism (GM & Toyota).

Our American made cars and trucks at the time I was buying new vehicles were not as reliable as the ones that had engines made by the Japanese.

Now I can only buy used vehicles, but if I was buying new, I would base the decision on reliability and where it was built. Probably a Ford or a Honda made in Tennessee - certainly not government motors.

Any one remember what “American” cars are made in Mexico, Canada, or some other foreign country?

34 posted on 10/26/2011 8:26:45 AM PDT by greeneyes (Moderation in defense of your country is NO virtue. Let Freedom Ring.)
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To: Babashane
Caravan.... Yup, I had a problem with my 1993 Grand Caravan related to the transmission - it started slipping at 57,000 miles still under the 60,000 mile warranty. I went to the shop 5 times before 60,000 miles and they refused to fix it. Then a funny thing happened, it failed at 60,004 miles and they offered to repair it for $3,600 at the dealership (1997). I had it fixed elsewhere for $800 and it ran another 12 months which it warranted. I complained to Chrysler and they sent me a Voucher for $3,600 on a new car.

I sent the Voucher back explaning I would never again buy their products, this after owning 5 previous Dodge vehicles.

35 posted on 10/26/2011 8:46:33 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: brownsfan

We had an Acura Legend years ago and loved it, quietest car I’ve ever driven. We’ve now got a Lexus and a Toyota Land Cruiser which are problem free. Both of my sons swear by their 4 Runners. Worst cars we ever owned were Jeeps.


36 posted on 10/26/2011 9:55:33 AM PDT by surrey
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To: greeneyes

Let’s clear the air on one thing: Consumer Reports is affiliated with Toyota. To say that they’re non-partisan would be a little foolish.

I understand your affinity for older vehicles; I was driving around a 1969 Mercury for a long time before getting a 1985 Chevy Caprice. I work on my vehicles. The older ones were def. better suited to working under the hood. My newer car is workable, but fitting parts is impossible and there are some specialty tools in my box for specific vehicles. Moral: depending on how much work you want to do on your own vehicle, different brands are suitable for different people.

And yes, most American cars are assembled in other countries. My Mercury was made in Canada according to my VIN info.


37 posted on 10/26/2011 11:26:44 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Huck
"Every American vehicle I’ve ever owned was garbage." YOu got that right. The ONLY "American" car I ever bought that was not garbage was our 1993 Dodge Stealth RT Twn Turbo. It was exceptional: all wheel drive, all wheel steering, 300hp 0-60 5.6 seconds. 27mpg cruising at 70 - 75mph. Only thing I ever needed to replace was the roters and brakes. Exceptional car, you know why? It was MADE IN JAPAN by Mitsuishi Motors!

Every other American made car we have owned was as you said: garbage.

We will never buy another "American" car. Who wants to buy a Chrysler product when two udercover reports filed at least 7 months apart had video of line workers, going ot to lunch, getting loaded, drunk and high in the Chrysler parking lot and then RETURNING TO THE LINE TO MAKE CARS FOR US TO BUY! Ok, they got caught so you know what they did? They went to lunch, dorve to the UNION PARKING LOT and proceeded to get stoned and loaded THERE before returning to work on the line making Chrysler crap for fools to buy. No wonder Chrysler's slogan is "Built in Detroit!" Have you seen what an abject DUMP and SLUM Detroit has become? The place is a cess pool!

38 posted on 10/26/2011 11:27:58 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Lord deliver us from evil and from those perpetuating it, in Jesus name, amen.)
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To: rarestia
Let’s clear the air on one thing: Consumer Reports is affiliated with Toyota.

Where did you get that?

39 posted on 10/26/2011 12:29:12 PM PDT by decimon
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To: decimon

Terribly sorry, I was mistaken. Toyota has an affiliation with another industry publication, but it’s not Consumer Reports.

My apologies for the misinformation.


40 posted on 10/26/2011 1:38:29 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: rarestia

No problem.


41 posted on 10/26/2011 1:50:34 PM PDT by decimon
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To: rarestia
My fiancee's Nissan has cost our household more money since I've been with her than I've ever spent on my Merc.

Did she buy the car new?

42 posted on 10/26/2011 6:10:02 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Longbow1969
My experience with American cars is that they generally suck. The problem is union labor. Japanese cars made by non union workforces in the US seem to be fine. It's the union made cars that are crap.

I think the problem is union pay scales combined with their lower productivity. Bottom line is that to sell their products for roughly the same price as the Japanese manufacturers, despite the higher cost and lower productivity of UAW labor, Detroit has to lower the specs for their automotive components, which translates into higher repair bills for domestic car buyers.

43 posted on 10/26/2011 6:15:11 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Longbow1969
My rule of thumb now is, if something is made by a unionized workforce I simply avoid it the best I can.

I don't think the problem is the workforce itself - it's the fact that the UAW is higher cost and less productive (thanks to inflated negotiated pay levels and productivity-killing work rules). Since this added cost has to be factored into the cost of the car, management makes up for it by taking costs out only way they can, by substituting inferior materials and thereby reducing the specs for engine, transmission, electrical and other parts. Note that Detroit is required by union contracts to source a large chunk of their parts from UAW parts makers. Bottom line - it's not only the original parts that come with the car that are bad, the replacement parts that are used to repair the cars are no better. The whole Detroit system is one that coddles UAW workers at the expense of customers, who have to put up with expensive repair after expensive repair.

44 posted on 10/26/2011 6:26:26 PM PDT by Zhang Fei (Let us pray that peace be now restored to the world and that God will preserve it always.)
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To: Zhang Fei
I don't think the problem is the workforce itself - it's the fact that the UAW is higher cost and less productive (thanks to inflated negotiated pay levels and productivity-killing work rules). Since this added cost has to be factored into the cost of the car, management makes up for it by taking costs out only way they can, by substituting inferior materials and thereby reducing the specs for engine, transmission, electrical and other parts. Note that Detroit is required by union contracts to source a large chunk of their parts from UAW parts makers. Bottom line - it's not only the original parts that come with the car that are bad, the replacement parts that are used to repair the cars are no better. The whole Detroit system is one that coddles UAW workers at the expense of customers, who have to put up with expensive repair after expensive repair.

Thanks for these comments. Your points are very good and the more I think about it, the more I suspect your are probably largely correct. I'd still suggest a unionized workforce has less incentive to excel and do the best job they can, but what you say about the American car companies being forced to use cheaper parts in order to compete makes sense.

Unfortunately, this just reaffirms my thinking that it is best to avoid anything made in a union shop if possible.

45 posted on 10/26/2011 7:27:16 PM PDT by Longbow1969
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To: rarestia

I’ve been happy with Fords.


46 posted on 10/26/2011 8:14:04 PM PDT by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: DallasBiff
Buy Škoda!
47 posted on 10/26/2011 8:19:19 PM PDT by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
BUY AMERICAN

Happy to buy American built Japanese cars, but poor experience with American car companies means I won't be buying "American" cars (maybe built from Chinese components).

48 posted on 10/27/2011 4:25:50 AM PDT by Crichton
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To: Zhang Fei

Car is the same age as mine (6 years) with 10K more miles on it than mine. To be fair, she’s a widow and her late husband used to drive it around for work.


49 posted on 10/27/2011 4:45:22 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Why do you think that?

Buying is about getting value, not nationalist sentiment.


50 posted on 10/27/2011 4:54:28 AM PDT by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..posted from the great river road)
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