Skip to comments.Asian brands dominate Consumer Reports' 2011 Auto Survey
Posted on 10/26/2011 7:06:16 AM PDT by DallasBiff
Asian brands continue to dominate Consumer Reports' 2011 Annual Auto Survey, sweeping the top nine spots.
Toyota's American brand Scion leads the pack, followed by Lexus, Acura, Mazda, Honda, and Toyota.
The brands scored strong on predicted reliability tests. Of the 91 Japanese models for which Consumer Reports has sufficient data, 87 (96 percent) were rated average or better. 24 Japanese models earned the highest rating.
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Every American vehicle I’ve ever owned was garbage. All the Jap cars I’ve owned have been great. We currently drive Nissan Xterra, Subaru WRX, and Mazda Miata. Love them all. Very solid, reliable vehicles. All fun to drive and good-looking. All get good gas mileage.
Who owns CR?
Unless it’s a Japanese nameplate built in America, the only American car I would even consider is Ford. Thanks to the corrupt Bailout, I am boycotting GM and Chrysler for life. Those companies are dead to me, and it reassures me to see that those corrupt companies build garbage - sensible people would avoid their products even if they didn’t care about the immorality of stiffing the GM bondholders or of giving our tax dollars to the UAW to keep failed companies operating.
Die, GM, die!
Very much the opposite here. We're a Ford household, and none of us have had any problems with our vehicles. I have a 6 year old Mercury Montego, my mother drives a Mercury Milan, my brother drives a Ford Ranger, and my fiancee drives a Nissan Altima.
Every part I've ever purchased, every filter I've changed, every spark plug, O2 sensor, TPS, EGR valve, and throttle body I've ever worked on in an American vehicle was easy to repair or replace and cheap. My fiancee's Nissan has cost our household more money since I've been with her than I've ever spent on my Merc.
Foreign parts and shop labor are much higher than domestic shops, and repairs and maintenance are cheaper on domestic brands even though parts are made in Mexico and Canada. Quizzically, many parts for foreign vehicles are made in the US, and there's a premium on the cost of the parts. Perhaps Union related?
It's not the nameplate that matters, it's the corrupt Detroit management that has for many years substituted political maneuvering for building a quality product. I don't care if a GM car is built in Mexico, it's still not worth buying from that company or from Chrysler.
Yup, same experience. No way I am buying American cars anymore as they have all been crap. We actually had 2 Honda Civics in the family for 10 years that required a grand total of 1 repair that went beyond upkeep. No such luck with American brands that seem to sit in the shop constantly. I've had Fords, GM's and Chryslers and all of them were shoddy products that required endless maintenance. I'm sticking with Japanese cars from now on.
I think a good rule of thumb is, if a product is made by union workers the best bet is to avoid it at all costs.
I bought an 06 Camry with 14,000 miles in July 2006. I just turned 150,000 miles. It needed a water pump last summer, repair cost me $160. Original brakes lasted over 100,000 miles (probably 75% highway miles). Other than that, all its needed is tires, windshield wiper blades, light bulbs, gas and oil. The wifes 09 Camry just hit 75,000 and I just got new rear brakes. Likewise, nothing other than tires, windshield wiper blades, light bulbs, gas and oil. I only see my mechanic twice a year now for inspections.
I will never buy another American car.
Why should I buy an American car if I can get a similarly priced Japanese vehicle that is of vastly better quality and won't fall to pieces as soon as the warranty expires?
My experience with American cars is that they generally suck. The problem is union labor. Japanese cars made by non union workforces in the US seem to be fine. It's the union made cars that are crap.
I’ve now bought three American-brand cars new.
The first was a rebranded Kia.
Both recent have been American, made in the USA. They have been exceptional.
Zero problems with any of them. One even after a significant crash. American cars are very robust.
It's a Ford.
Therefor it's crap.
Some dude on the interwebs-thingy said so ...
As Mrs. B likes to say: “All cars should be German, and all men should be American.”
i’ll stick to my audi. american cars made now are junk.
But Audis are way overpriced. :D
American car quality is world class now.
It’s not “American made” that’s the problem,
it’s “union made” that is the problem.
I got a 2011 Mazda6 this summer. Love it! Great riding car, great gas mileage, comfortable, roomy. AND it was built in a Ford factory in Detroit by American workers, making American dollars. But 2012 will be the last year they’re built here.
I was trying to make the opposite point that many “Japanese” models are thoroughly “American” in design, engineering, and assembly. I understand what you are saying about GM and Chrysler; they have had lousy top management for decades. Having said that, we own a Toyota Highlander and a Buick Park Avenue (the latter bequeathed to mrs riverdawg by her parents before we were married). They have been virtually indistinguishable in terms of reliability and cost of maintenance over the past seven years that we have owned both.
And yet this very article we are discussing says Asian brands dominate the Consumer Reports quality survey's.
You may have had some good luck, but the perception that American cars are of poor quality didn't come from nowhere. For many years Detroit made down right awful products, now they are just less good than their Japanese competitors.
I will reconsider an American car in the future once they prove to me that their union workforce can assemble something that doesn't fall apart long before it's Japanese competitors products do. My hunch is if the UAW was broken and the workers were no longer unionized, the product quality would improve.
“BUY AMERICAN “
I do. Rather than buy a GM made in Mexico, or a rebranded Mazda dressed as a Ford, I bought an Acura.
Made in Marysville, Ohio.
In heaven the French are the chefs, the Germans run the trains, and the British are the police.
In hell the British are the chefs, the French run the trains, and the Germans are the police.
“American car quality is world class now.”
Don’t get carried away. Two anecdotes:
The guy down the street leases his cars. He had a Ford Fusion. A few weeks ago, he had a new Camry. I asked him about it. He said the Fusion was ok, but had a lot of little problems, more than he would expect for that class of car, so he moved on to Toyota.
Another neighbor buys fleet trucks for a company. They have about 50 I think. Up until now, they’ve bought Ford F150s. Apparently, the new F150s have significant problems, especially the transmissions. His company is switching to Toyota Tundras. By the way, this guy drives a 2 year old Focus, and he told me the mileage is good, but the ride is not, and the road noise is terrible.
We have one of those in the family. The car is basically nice and it has the V6 package which is quite powerful. Problem is, its had endless electrical system problems and is always in the shop. It also had a fender that wasn't bracketed on properly and defective front brakes. I was surprised because I thought Mazda was supposed to be decent, then I discovered it was largely made in Detroit at a Ford plant and realized why it had such a poor maintenance record.
My rule of thumb now is, if something is made by a unionized workforce I simply avoid it the best I can.
Alabama has Honda, Hyandai, Toyota, and Mercedes plants. Your Ford has as good a chance of being made in Mexico, China or any other country as a Honda, Toyota, Nissan does of being made in America now. The lines are blurred.
DH and I have owned Fords and a Chrysler. I’ll never buy another Chrysler. We bought a Caravan back in the day when we our kids were little and at a little under 20,000 miles the head gasket blew. It wasn’t even 2 years old. Then there was another constant problem with the engine. If I have to slow down to make a turn it would just shut off. Which is a whole lot of fun in heavy traffic situations because it would just die in a turn. I’d shove it in neutral to crank it and pop it back in drive and try to not look at the people swerving around me, flipping me off or cussing me out because they had to slam on their brakes and were stuck behind me after the turn. Anyway 2 Transmissions, 2 Air conditioner compressors and 2 motors later (not even 75,000 miles) it went to the junkyard. I have never been so glad to be rid of any vehicle in my life. I didn’t think any vehicle could bring out pure hatred for a car like a Vega I had as a teenager did but the Caravan topped that.
We own a 92 Camry, a 95 Camry and a 99 Camry - all are over 200,000 miles. The 95 and 99’s both have over 300,000 (dh used both for work) We are still driving all of them.
We do have a 79 Ford F100 that’s in pretty bad shape but would still start with some tweaking and sweet talking. I joke you’d have to hold your mouth just so to get the old bomb going but it would run.
I just recently traded in my 1997 Olds Cutlass. Took care if it and it lasted 14 years and 175,000 miles. My only complaint about it was that it was hard on brakes. Other than that, it was very dependable.
its union made that is the problem.
Bingo. There it is in a nutshell. Unions encourage laziness, inefficiency and selfishness. If the American car companies could avoid hiring union labor, the quality of their products would likely increase dramatically. The problem is the unions.
buy VW- support spreading union socialism in OTHER PEOPLE’S country.
I got the 4 cylinder model. Plenty of power and great mileage. I think the quality has improved over previous generations. There were definitely issues with the 6 in earlier years and that made me hesitant to buy one. But after reading reviews of the current generation, I was more than happy to buy one. So far, I am definitely not disappointed.
Unions, inherently, always negotiate for less work for more compensation. Invariably.
Ford Fusion = Mazda 6.
Still driving a 1994 colt with 190,000 miles, just had to put on new distributor. Of course, to be fair, I must say that the engine was made by Mitsubishi.
I have to have reliability in a car. The only cars that ever stranded me were Chevy and Plymouth neither was recommended by Consumer Reports.
The reliability ratings are based on consumer's data provided to Consumer's Report, and that section is the one I pay attention to - not the reporter's conclusions.
American companies do have some cars recommended by Consumer Reports, but for a while they had pretty much given up on the smaller cars with good MPG, hence the deals with foreign companies to produce things like the colt, Geo prism (GM & Toyota).
Our American made cars and trucks at the time I was buying new vehicles were not as reliable as the ones that had engines made by the Japanese.
Now I can only buy used vehicles, but if I was buying new, I would base the decision on reliability and where it was built. Probably a Ford or a Honda made in Tennessee - certainly not government motors.
Any one remember what “American” cars are made in Mexico, Canada, or some other foreign country?
I sent the Voucher back explaning I would never again buy their products, this after owning 5 previous Dodge vehicles.
We had an Acura Legend years ago and loved it, quietest car I’ve ever driven. We’ve now got a Lexus and a Toyota Land Cruiser which are problem free. Both of my sons swear by their 4 Runners. Worst cars we ever owned were Jeeps.
Let’s clear the air on one thing: Consumer Reports is affiliated with Toyota. To say that they’re non-partisan would be a little foolish.
I understand your affinity for older vehicles; I was driving around a 1969 Mercury for a long time before getting a 1985 Chevy Caprice. I work on my vehicles. The older ones were def. better suited to working under the hood. My newer car is workable, but fitting parts is impossible and there are some specialty tools in my box for specific vehicles. Moral: depending on how much work you want to do on your own vehicle, different brands are suitable for different people.
And yes, most American cars are assembled in other countries. My Mercury was made in Canada according to my VIN info.
Every other American made car we have owned was as you said: garbage.
We will never buy another "American" car. Who wants to buy a Chrysler product when two udercover reports filed at least 7 months apart had video of line workers, going ot to lunch, getting loaded, drunk and high in the Chrysler parking lot and then RETURNING TO THE LINE TO MAKE CARS FOR US TO BUY! Ok, they got caught so you know what they did? They went to lunch, dorve to the UNION PARKING LOT and proceeded to get stoned and loaded THERE before returning to work on the line making Chrysler crap for fools to buy. No wonder Chrysler's slogan is "Built in Detroit!" Have you seen what an abject DUMP and SLUM Detroit has become? The place is a cess pool!
Where did you get that?
Terribly sorry, I was mistaken. Toyota has an affiliation with another industry publication, but it’s not Consumer Reports.
My apologies for the misinformation.
Did she buy the car new?
I think the problem is union pay scales combined with their lower productivity. Bottom line is that to sell their products for roughly the same price as the Japanese manufacturers, despite the higher cost and lower productivity of UAW labor, Detroit has to lower the specs for their automotive components, which translates into higher repair bills for domestic car buyers.
I don't think the problem is the workforce itself - it's the fact that the UAW is higher cost and less productive (thanks to inflated negotiated pay levels and productivity-killing work rules). Since this added cost has to be factored into the cost of the car, management makes up for it by taking costs out only way they can, by substituting inferior materials and thereby reducing the specs for engine, transmission, electrical and other parts. Note that Detroit is required by union contracts to source a large chunk of their parts from UAW parts makers. Bottom line - it's not only the original parts that come with the car that are bad, the replacement parts that are used to repair the cars are no better. The whole Detroit system is one that coddles UAW workers at the expense of customers, who have to put up with expensive repair after expensive repair.
Thanks for these comments. Your points are very good and the more I think about it, the more I suspect your are probably largely correct. I'd still suggest a unionized workforce has less incentive to excel and do the best job they can, but what you say about the American car companies being forced to use cheaper parts in order to compete makes sense.
Unfortunately, this just reaffirms my thinking that it is best to avoid anything made in a union shop if possible.
I’ve been happy with Fords.
Happy to buy American built Japanese cars, but poor experience with American car companies means I won't be buying "American" cars (maybe built from Chinese components).
Car is the same age as mine (6 years) with 10K more miles on it than mine. To be fair, she’s a widow and her late husband used to drive it around for work.
Why do you think that?
Buying is about getting value, not nationalist sentiment.