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Attorney: Crosses at Catholic University violate human rights of Muslim students
syracuse.com ^ | 10/27/11 | Lou Gulino

Posted on 10/27/2011 6:39:22 PM PDT by Jean S

The Washington, D.C. Office of Human Rights is investigating the Catholic University of America.

The Tower, a student newspaper at the university, says the charges allege the school does not provide Muslim students with places to hold frequent prayer services free of crosses or other Catholic symbols.

John F. Banzhaf III, a George Washington University Professor of Public Interest Law, ade the complaint to the human rights agency. In a news release Banzhaf alleges: "It is alleged that CUA does not provide space -- as other universities do -- for the many daily prayers Muslim students must make, forcing them instead to find temporarily empty classrooms where they are often surrounded by Catholic symbols which are incongruous to their religion."

The university says it hasn't seen any legal filings on the matter, but sent a written statement to Fox News.

“Our faithfulness to our Catholic tradition has also made us a welcome home to students of other religions,” said Victor Nakas, associate vice president for public affairs. “No students have registered complaints about the exercise of their religions on our campus.”

Banzhaf also complained that CUA does not sponsor a Muslim student association. But the Tower reports an Arab American Student Association recently formed on campus. The founder, Wiaam Al Salmi, told the Tower, “The community here is very respectful of other religions and I feel free to openly practice it.”

Patrick Reilly, the president of the Cardinal Newman Society, an organization that promotes Catholic identity on college campuses, told Fox News he was stunned by the complaint.

“This attorney is really turning civil rights on its head,” he said. “He’s using the law for his own discrimination against the Catholic institution and essentially saying Catholic University cannot operate according to Catholic principles.”


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KEYWORDS: catholic; crosses; mohammedan; moralabsolutes; moslem; muslim; romancatholic
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1 posted on 10/27/2011 6:39:29 PM PDT by Jean S
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To: Jean S

Freakin’ vampires. They are nothing but a pain in the ass. Especially around this time of year.


2 posted on 10/27/2011 6:40:17 PM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (Stop Government Greed Now!!!!)
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To: Jean S

I would think this was satire, but in this day and age something like this is considered normal. Geesh, Louise, it’s a frickin’ CATHOLIC university!!


3 posted on 10/27/2011 6:43:10 PM PDT by peggybac
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To: Jean S
Anyone who doesn't think we as Christians are under persecution in this day and age is obviously not paying attention. between the secularists and the Islamists we are being whipsawed on a daily basis. And the so-called MSM is helping to orchestrate it. God preserve us in this time of persecution!

Lamh Foistenach Abu!
4 posted on 10/27/2011 6:45:49 PM PDT by ConorMacNessa (HM/2 USN, 3/5 Marines RVN 1969 - St. Michael the Archangel defend us in Battle!)
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To: peggybac; wagglebee; Salvation; NYer
Geesh, Louise, it’s a CATHOLIC university!!

What did they expect?

The deal should be that Catholic University provides a "neutral" space when the first Church is opened in Saudi Arabia.

5 posted on 10/27/2011 6:47:11 PM PDT by lightman (Adjutorium nostrum (+) in nomine Domini)
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To: Jean S

Burqas at Catholic university violate rights of Catholic students.


6 posted on 10/27/2011 6:47:34 PM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Jean S

The mere fact that Christianity is still legal in the USA violates the rights of Muslim students. [/s]


7 posted on 10/27/2011 6:47:49 PM PDT by ClearCase_guy (I won't vote for Romney. I won't vote for Perry.)
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To: peggybac

They don’t have any resources just off campus where they can howl to Allah in a cross-free room?

But yeah, it’s a Catholic university and at least nominally it matriculates students from a Catholic world view. Somehow this is not raising the ire of their Moose students. If Moose don’t like that, they should go to secular universities or set up Moose universities.


8 posted on 10/27/2011 6:48:15 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck (There's gonna be a Redneck Revolution! (See my freep page) [rednecks come in many colors])
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To: HiTech RedNeck

Seeing a moozlum anywhere is an insult to others.


9 posted on 10/27/2011 6:50:03 PM PDT by hal ogen (First Amendment or Reeducation Camp?)
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To: Jean S

Oh for goodness sakes. Things are not only getting worse day by day, but thread by thread!

And NO, I won’t turn off my FR. I’m addicted.


10 posted on 10/27/2011 6:52:09 PM PDT by NoGrayZone (Stay involved..because stupid people are running America! - Herman Cain - Amen!!!)
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To: Jean S

Lawyers are nothing more than predatory scavengers living off the road kill of society.


11 posted on 10/27/2011 6:52:56 PM PDT by Parmy
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To: Jean S
“This attorney is really turning civil rights on its head,” he said. “He’s using the law for his own discrimination against the Catholic institution and essentially saying Catholic University cannot operate according to Catholic principles.”

EXACTLY. John Banzhaf gives even trial lawyers a bad name - he makes John Edwards look like a boy scout of a lawyer.

This is the guy that first started suing the tobacco companies, then sued other lawyers for a bigger slice of that pie, then started in on mcDonald's and Burger King. Oh yeah and he's filed complaints and suits for "potty parity."

He's also going after Catholic University for doing away with co-ed dorms and returning to same sex dorms on campus.

This guy is just plain sleaze. H

12 posted on 10/27/2011 6:53:31 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: NoGrayZone

Placemark.


13 posted on 10/27/2011 6:56:22 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Jean S
Madness, utter madness. If this doesn't convince us that we are in a state of utter idiocy, then I don't know what would.

This is a private university and one of the top Catholic Universities in the country. It isn't supported by tax dollars that I'm aware of. So why this is an issue is beyond me. Catholic ought to be able to discriminate to a certain degree in favor of those who are Catholic. It shouldn't be forced to come to any accommodation with Muslims or any other religion. No one is forced to go to Catholic U. I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone could be on the side of these Muslims.
14 posted on 10/27/2011 6:57:15 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Jean S

Banzhaf III is a leftist nutcase and always has been. However, he is a good lawyer and is thus very dangerous to American society.

Wonder how the leftist Catholics are going to view this?


15 posted on 10/27/2011 6:59:05 PM PDT by MadMax, the Grinning Reaper
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To: Jean S
Do a bio on John F. Banzhaf and you will find that he is scum of the earth. He's one of the reasons people hate lawyers. He's truly a despicable person.
16 posted on 10/27/2011 7:01:36 PM PDT by truthguy (Good intentions are not enough.)
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To: Jean S

Infiltrate and destroy from within. It’s working like a charm.


17 posted on 10/27/2011 7:02:17 PM PDT by Third Person
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To: Gabz

I attend a Catholic University in the DC area as well, and it, too, is swarming with muslims. I mean SWARMING. Catholic Universities are asking for it by accepting them.

Most of them travel in packs, gibbering in arabic. Had to tell a few of them to shut up one night in the quiet section of the library. They came right back at me (middle aged white woman, of course) w/ a bronx cheer type of reaction — the young men truly are spoiled rotten monsters.

Laws need to change in this country regarding the attendance of private religious schools. Either you accept what’s being put forth there, or you DON’T GO.


18 posted on 10/27/2011 7:03:34 PM PDT by LibsRJerks
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To: Third Person

Infiltrate and destroy from within. It’s working like a charm.


All over America.


19 posted on 10/27/2011 7:03:57 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Jean S
give the goathumpers their money back and kick their wretched azzes out...
20 posted on 10/27/2011 7:05:28 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: truthguy
I cannot for the life of me understand how anyone could be on the side of these Muslims.

Banzhaf is really on the side of Muslims, he is the one creating the issue here. The Univeristy has not received any complaints from Muslim students. This is this guy's modus operandi - create an issue and then seek clients.

he is also going after CUA for discrimination because they have done away with co-ed dorms. He is a terrorist in a suit and should be disbarred. Personally I would like to see him locked up, but that's just me.

21 posted on 10/27/2011 7:06:14 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Jean S

What did they think “Catholic” in Catholic University of America meant?


22 posted on 10/27/2011 7:08:11 PM PDT by pnz1
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To: FlingWingFlyer
This is just another sub-group of the same larger culture that keeps trying to tear down the Mt. Soledad cross, have 'In God We Trust' removed from our currency, pushes to have targeted amendments of the U.S. Constitutional declared unconstitutional, and otherwise operates outside the norm on their belief that they are the aggrieved party. We've allowed a malignant tumor of psychotic malcontents and professional predators to metastasize in American society, and I say it's high time we dig them up by the roots. They're not going to go away on their own, they will never be satisfied with whatever allowances or outright capitulation they can force from the rest of us, and I'm from the school of thought that believes we're only a generation or two from America As We Knew Her to cease to exist. This semi-cold ideological and cultural war will come to end. And badly, for one side or the other.

I don't like to lose.

"But know this, that in the last days perilous times will come: for men will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boasters, proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, unloving, unforgiving, slanderers, without self-control, brutal, despisers of good, traitors, headstrong, haughty, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God, having a form of godliness but denying its power. And from such people turn away, for his name is Obama."

23 posted on 10/27/2011 7:10:36 PM PDT by Viking2002 (Hippies smell.)
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To: Jean S
Muslims demand special privileges on our country while denying our requests in their nations. Give them an inch and then they take a mile. Its is time we made demands of our own and it is time we demanded respect.

When they learn respect us, we can all get along just fine..

There are many that are here not because they want to be here but by cause of their mission.

24 posted on 10/27/2011 7:11:59 PM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: Jean S

The Catholic University could end this real quick. Don’t allow Muslims to attend a Christian University.

Simple solution.


25 posted on 10/27/2011 7:17:09 PM PDT by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: Jean S

This is one of the stupidest things we have heard recently. Of course Catholic universities have crosses. Duh.


26 posted on 10/27/2011 7:18:24 PM PDT by BAW (I'm a 53 percenter.)
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To: Jean S
I wonder - if the Pope converted to Islam and had all of the Cardinals and Priests beheaded, would that satisfy the Muslims?

Probably not.

27 posted on 10/27/2011 7:22:25 PM PDT by airborne (Paratroopers! Good to the last drop!)
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To: Jean S
The venerable CUA needs to re-read their mission statement/ or re-write it
28 posted on 10/27/2011 7:22:51 PM PDT by Daffynition (“There are no compacts between lions and men, and wolves and lambs have no concord.” ~ Homer)
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To: <1/1,000,000th%
Burqas at Catholic university violate rights of Catholic students.

Burqas violate the rights of Muslim women. Its no way that I can see that there is a loving god in that kind of system. I do know Jesus loves Muslims and there is nothing they can do about that.

29 posted on 10/27/2011 7:23:30 PM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: LibsRJerks
Catholic Universities are asking for it by accepting them.

I totally understand what you are saying. I didn't attend a Catholic university, but did spend 12 years in Catholic schools. Even in the 60s and 70s Catholic schools did accept students of other faiths, I don't remember any muslims, but I do remember Protestants and even a couple of Buddhists. They didn't partake in the Sacraments, but in every other way behaved no differently than the Catholic kids.

Either you accept what’s being put forth there, or you DON’T GO.

That I am in total agreement with, but do not agree with you about changing laws - they do not have to admit students of other faiths if they do not choose to do so.

This is a non existent problem that has been created by a money hungry and media attention seeking piece of excrement. This kind of crapola is Banzhaf's stock in trade and how he makes a living.

30 posted on 10/27/2011 7:28:10 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Shadowstrike
You would think Muslims would be issued scorn by their clergy for attending Christian schools. They are not there just to get an education. Wake up people.
31 posted on 10/27/2011 7:29:38 PM PDT by oyez ( America is being pimped.)
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To: Jean S

Tango Sierra. If your god can’t withstand the presence of those “idols”, he’s not much of a god.

I guess they don’t understand that they’re whining about something their “religion” says doesn’t matter. Idiots - and doomed.


32 posted on 10/27/2011 7:35:02 PM PDT by jagusafr ("We hold these truths to be self-evident...")
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To: Jean S

Do those students need to find another school? I think so!!!


33 posted on 10/27/2011 7:38:03 PM PDT by Salvation ("With God all things are possible." Matthew 19:26)
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To: lightman

The deal should be accept no Muslims at Catholic University.

They don’t belong there.


34 posted on 10/27/2011 7:39:53 PM PDT by Venturer
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To: Salvation; Jean S
Do those students need to find another school? I think so!!!

I'm thinking they need to find another country. One with lots of sand and mosques in it.

35 posted on 10/27/2011 7:42:03 PM PDT by Allegra (Hey! Stop looking at my tagline like that.)
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To: Jean S

That attorney is the reason I still think there is a need for abortions. He is a prime candidate even as a “matured fetus”.


36 posted on 10/27/2011 7:46:17 PM PDT by voicereason (The average American doesn't need sex......Obama is already screwing them daily.)
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To: Jean S

Hopefully the university will stand strong against this abomination, or is that Obamanation? God help anyone in the university administration who caves, especially on Judgement Day.


37 posted on 10/27/2011 7:48:07 PM PDT by Montana_Sam (Truth lives.)
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To: hal ogen

Our big box supermarket seems overrun by them tonight — in a place that isn’t usually full of the scarf-wearing, angry/hostile ones. On top of it, their offspring were running around all hopped up on something, climbing the stacks and everything. I wish I had worn my crucifix.


38 posted on 10/27/2011 7:55:47 PM PDT by Borax Queen
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To: Jean S

who’s forcing them to go to a Catholic school?


39 posted on 10/27/2011 8:26:04 PM PDT by maine-iac7 (ALWAYS WATCH THE OTHER HAND)
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To: Jean S

Islam Delenda Est - because of what Islam is, and what Muslims do.


40 posted on 10/27/2011 8:27:01 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: oyez

“I do know Jesus loves Muslims”

Specific cites, please.


41 posted on 10/27/2011 8:29:12 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles.)
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To: Jean S
So exactly what part of "Catholic University" do these freaks not understand?

Oh ... wait.

They understand perfectly well ... and they're waging jihad against Catholic University.

42 posted on 10/27/2011 8:32:18 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: Jean S

why would a muslim student want to go there if he/she were so frightened of crosses to begin with?

Catholic University has crosses EVERYWHERE. Outside, inside - in the hallways, in the rooms, in the dining halls. Maybe even in the bathrooms?
I bet they’re REAL offended by the basilica huh?

What, on earth, are they doing there in the first place?


43 posted on 10/27/2011 8:32:28 PM PDT by Scotswife
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To: Jean S

?? Who opened the door to allow some ragheads to study at a Catholic University??

Screw the muzzies, throw them out, and refund the balance of their semester payments. Bar them from the campus!


44 posted on 10/27/2011 8:34:00 PM PDT by Noob1999 (Loose Lips, Sink Ships)
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To: Allegra
I'm thinking they need to find another country. One with lots of sand and mosques craters lined with radioactive glass in it.
45 posted on 10/27/2011 8:37:50 PM PDT by ArrogantBustard (Western Civilization is Aborting, Buggering, and Contracepting itself out of existence.)
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To: ArrogantBustard
They understand perfectly well ... and they're waging jihad against Catholic University.

The jihad being waged here is being done by thew sleazeball lawyer who has created this issue that was not an issue until he decided to make it an issue.

This jackwagon Banzhaf makes the ambulance chasing John Edwards look like a boyscout.

46 posted on 10/27/2011 8:41:04 PM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: Jean S

Attorney: Crosses at Catholic Elementary school in Indonesia violated human rights of young Obummer

``From ages six to ten, Obama attended local schools in Jakarta, including Besuki Public School [muslim]and St. Francis of Assisi School``
-wikipedia


47 posted on 10/27/2011 8:42:26 PM PDT by bunkerhill7
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To: LibsRJerks

Why are non-Christians going to school here in the first place?


48 posted on 10/27/2011 8:44:08 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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To: Jean S

And we wonder why a bunch of savage backwoods militia Islamic fundamentalists are kicking our asses....


49 posted on 10/27/2011 8:44:53 PM PDT by Tzimisce (Never forget that the American Revolution began when the British tried to disarm the colonists.)
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To: jagusafr

Jews won’t worship in the presence of idols,either.


50 posted on 10/27/2011 8:46:14 PM PDT by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (Straight and proud.)
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