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Entitlement Programs: A Plan to End Them
Pajamas Media ^ | 10/30/2011 | Amit Ghate

Posted on 10/30/2011 5:19:53 AM PDT by IbJensen

Untangling ourselves from entitlements will restore our solvency and our spirit.

America’s financial situation is precarious. Over the past eight years our national debt has doubled to $14.5 trillion, and our total unfunded liabilities now exceed an astonishing $114 trillion. That’s $1,115,000 per federal income taxpayer.

Even the most unrepentant spendthrift understands that these debts and liabilities are unsupportable, nor can they be solved by immorally targeting the rich. Instead, we must enact immediate, across-the-board spending cuts, with special emphasis on the biggest components of our financial wreck: Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. These entitlement programs constitute the majority of our unfunded liabilities, because despite being labeled “trusts” they’re not actually savings plans.

Rather, the programs are essentially pay-as-you-go schemes. (What little surplus the trusts did accumulate was used to fund other government programs, such that nothing’s been saved[1].) Operating this way has two terrible consequences. First, because funds aren’t saved and invested, they don’t generate returns. Thus there’s no compounding effect for any of the money that’s been withheld. Second, for every year that the programs are in existence, their total future liabilities increase.

Moreover, the programs have grown inexorably over time, partly because they were deemed good in principle, and partly because it takes nothing but a vote to increase benefits.

When Social Security was first rolled out in 1936, the promise was that the program would be very limited, both in terms of contributions and of payout. The most anyone would contribute was $360 per year, including the employer’s contribution. By 2010 entitlement programs cost employees up to $12,648 for Social Security and an unlimited amount for Medicare (at a rate of 2.9% of salaried income). Promised — but unfunded — benefits grew even faster, with payouts exceeding inflation and the years of retirement coverage continuously increasing. By some estimates, a typical 66-year-old couple today will get back double what they paid in. It’s no wonder that our entitlement programs are often compared to criminal Ponzi schemes.

In the past, a myopic focus on the short-term may have allowed some to gloss over the long-term insolvency of the programs, but that’s no longer possible. For we’re now rapidly approaching the time when the money deducted from employees’ paychecks is much less than payouts promised to program participants. Already today, approximately half of Medicare’s funding comes from general tax revenues.

Clearly then, our entitlement programs are an unmitigated financial disaster. But if we’re to properly deal with them, we mustn’t limit our analysis to economics alone. For after all, the deepest arguments underlying the programs aren’t financial — they’re moral. Indeed, much of the reason that there’s never been any reform of the programs is that until recently, few would question the moral views of man’s nature upon which they’re justified.

What are some of these questions?

As recently discussed here and at length here, one fundamental question pertains to whether men are ends in themselves or means to others’ ends. I won’t recap the arguments, but suffice it to say that when the Founders created this land of opportunity (not of entitlements), they clearly enunciated a new — American — ideal in which each of us pursues our own happiness. This put them squarely in the camp of treating individuals as ends in themselves. It’s a camp to which more and more of us are proud to belong.

Another crucial question is whether, in general, men are capable of thinking and fending for themselves.

This question is best answered by observing people throughout history. Compare the success and can-do attitude of citizens living under freedom to those living under any form of statism, and one has to conclude that — when left alone — men are eminently capable of thinking and fending for themselves. It’s only when the state removes and restricts incentives and choices that men become dependent.

For nearly two centuries, Americans, including millions of penniless immigrants, eloquently proved the point. The world marveled at the typical American’s self-reliance, be it his ability to earn a living, build his house, fix his car, or move up the social ladder. In every domain, when left free to think, act, and enjoy the rewards of hard work, Americans surpassed themselves and the rest of the world.

But advocates of entitlement programs deny this. They view man (except perhaps that special breed which constitutes the governing class) as feeble and incapable. He can’t think or plan for himself. He must be forced to act for his own “good.” Indeed, as we saw with the passage of Obamacare, there’s no longer even a pretense of persuasion; we childlike peons are to find out what’s in store for us when the laws have been passed. Ever since the New Deal, it’s this paternalistic view that’s guided government policy.

Tragically, however, the paternalists have the causation backwards. In actuality, it’s their myriad of forced redistribution programs that has fostered a mentality of dependence among the populace. With each new program they implement, they further sever the link between personal action and personal outcomes. Slowly people lose the idea of individual responsibility, and begin to believe that somehow they’re “entitled to” or have a “right to” the products of other people’s efforts. As a result, America’s independent spirit is waning.


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A promising, sensible, realistic idea.

Alas, it will never get implemented. This is because it would be instant political suicide–in a democracy where the state predominates–to suggest to voters that it ever should be.

Hence, the fiscal can will be kicked as far down the road as it can…until the roadway suddenly ends at the edge of the cliff.

That way, the country will experience an eventual catastrophe; but at least the politicans will avoid the curse of becoming unpopular, and their constituencies the need for preemptive sacrifice, in the interim.

So, meltdown is inevitable, and the fallout will be severe. Romney won’t fix it, and Paul won’t be elected. Cain? Well, it’ll probably be one or the other.

The tragedy is that about half of America IS up to challenge of dealing with this dire situation.

1 posted on 10/30/2011 5:19:58 AM PDT by IbJensen
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To: All

The rest of the article:

America’s financial situation is precarious. Over the past eight years our national debt has doubled to $14.5 trillion, and our total unfunded liabilities now exceed an astonishing $114 trillion. That’s $1,115,000 per federal income taxpayer.

Even the most unrepentant spendthrift understands that these debts and liabilities are unsupportable, nor can they be solved by immorally targeting the rich. Instead, we must enact immediate, across-the-board spending cuts, with special emphasis on the biggest components of our financial wreck: Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid. These entitlement programs constitute the majority of our unfunded liabilities, because despite being labeled “trusts” they’re not actually savings plans.

Rather, the programs are essentially pay-as-you-go schemes. (What little surplus the trusts did accumulate was used to fund other government programs, such that nothing’s been saved[1].) Operating this way has two terrible consequences. First, because funds aren’t saved and invested, they don’t generate returns. Thus there’s no compounding effect for any of the money that’s been withheld. Second, for every year that the programs are in existence, their total future liabilities increase.

Moreover, the programs have grown inexorably over time, partly because they were deemed good in principle, and partly because it takes nothing but a vote to increase benefits.

When Social Security was first rolled out in 1936, the promise was that the program would be very limited, both in terms of contributions and of payout. The most anyone would contribute was $360 per year, including the employer’s contribution. By 2010 entitlement programs cost employees up to $12,648 for Social Security and an unlimited amount for Medicare (at a rate of 2.9% of salaried income). Promised — but unfunded — benefits grew even faster, with payouts exceeding inflation and the years of retirement coverage continuously increasing. By some estimates, a typical 66-year-old couple today will get back double what they paid in. It’s no wonder that our entitlement programs are often compared to criminal Ponzi schemes.

In the past, a myopic focus on the short-term may have allowed some to gloss over the long-term insolvency of the programs, but that’s no longer possible. For we’re now rapidly approaching the time when the money deducted from employees’ paychecks is much less than payouts promised to program participants. Already today, approximately half of Medicare’s funding comes from general tax revenues.

Clearly then, our entitlement programs are an unmitigated financial disaster. But if we’re to properly deal with them, we mustn’t limit our analysis to economics alone. For after all, the deepest arguments underlying the programs aren’t financial — they’re moral. Indeed, much of the reason that there’s never been any reform of the programs is that until recently, few would question the moral views of man’s nature upon which they’re justified.

What are some of these questions?

As recently discussed here and at length here, one fundamental question pertains to whether men are ends in themselves or means to others’ ends. I won’t recap the arguments, but suffice it to say that when the Founders created this land of opportunity (not of entitlements), they clearly enunciated a new — American — ideal in which each of us pursues our own happiness. This put them squarely in the camp of treating individuals as ends in themselves. It’s a camp to which more and more of us are proud to belong.

Another crucial question is whether, in general, men are capable of thinking and fending for themselves.

This question is best answered by observing people throughout history. Compare the success and can-do attitude of citizens living under freedom to those living under any form of statism, and one has to conclude that — when left alone — men are eminently capable of thinking and fending for themselves. It’s only when the state removes and restricts incentives and choices that men become dependent.

For nearly two centuries, Americans, including millions of penniless immigrants, eloquently proved the point. The world marveled at the typical American’s self-reliance, be it his ability to earn a living, build his house, fix his car, or move up the social ladder. In every domain, when left free to think, act, and enjoy the rewards of hard work, Americans surpassed themselves and the rest of the world.

But advocates of entitlement programs deny this. They view man (except perhaps that special breed which constitutes the governing class) as feeble and incapable. He can’t think or plan for himself. He must be forced to act for his own “good.” Indeed, as we saw with the passage of Obamacare, there’s no longer even a pretense of persuasion; we childlike peons are to find out what’s in store for us when the laws have been passed. Ever since the New Deal, it’s this paternalistic view that’s guided government policy.

Tragically, however, the paternalists have the causation backwards. In actuality, it’s their myriad of forced redistribution programs that has fostered a mentality of dependence among the populace. With each new program they implement, they further sever the link between personal action and personal outcomes. Slowly people lose the idea of individual responsibility, and begin to believe that somehow they’re “entitled to” or have a “right to” the products of other people’s efforts. As a result, America’s independent spirit is waning.

A final key moral question is whether people should be treated primarily as independent individuals or as interchangeable parts of a larger collective.

Here again, history provides ample evidence. Wherever and whenever they’ve been free to do so, people have exhibited differing values, plans, and priorities. Societies succeed by respecting and catering to these individual choices and preferences; they fail when individuals aren’t even recognized. Take, for example, the contrast between the Free World’s outpouring of diverse and imaginative consumer products with the Soviets’ monotonously drab and barren output during the Cold War. Or the Maoists’ brutal mainland uniformity versus the flourishing trade and production of free Hong Kong. Or, for history buffs, the contrast between ancient Athenian and Spartan cultures.

But the evidence isn’t only historical, it’s also intimately personal. We each have unique dreams and aspirations that require differing paths and choices. No one else, much less the government, can know what’s best for us (despite what might be “good” for a fictional “average person”). College may be generally worthwhile, but the next Bill Gates might be completely justified in dropping out to start a business. Following a safe and steady career path may be good for most, but for the aspiring actor or musician, success may mean taking a very unorthodox route to that one big break.

Yet those pushing entitlement programs see it otherwise. They have a collectivized, one-size-fits-all approach to man. To whatever extent possible, the government should create and impose uniformity: all children should go to public schools until they’re 16. Patients should only be allowed to take drugs approved by some government board. Everyone should contribute 15% of their income to their future retirement and medical needs each and every year. Everyone should retire at 65.

Part and parcel of this collectivized view is the refusal to see individuals at all. Thus there’s no recognition that particular people, engaged in particular processes and efforts, earn and produce wealth. By dropping the individual from their worldview, collectivists don’t have to confront the moral question of why they find it proper to take from some to give to others.

The result of these collectivist and paternalistic views is a continuous assault on individuals and their rights. This is borne out in the implementation of our entitlement programs.

For example, consider all those who haven’t yet acquired sufficient skills and experience for a potential employer to justify both their salary and the additional burden of a 15.3% FICA tax. Entitlement programs price these people out of the labor market, and thereby contribute to our stubbornly high rates of unemployment — particularly among the young.

The same type of analysis applies to those employees trying to save enough to start a family or a business of their own. For many starting out, the 15.3% withholding tax represents a huge percentage of their discretionary income. Forcing them to prioritize retirement over other genuine values is inimical to their personal success and happiness. Contrary to the one-size-fits-all mentality, people’s circumstances vary widely, and there are often times in a person’s life when withholding for retirement is not a good thing.

Next, consider every responsible person who could have — and would have — saved and invested the equivalent of his mandatory FICA withholdings had he simply been allowed to. Over the years many wanted to opt out of the entitlement programs to build their own nest eggs, but they were prohibited from doing so in the name of protecting them from themselves. Now, thanks to our paternalistic caretakers, all that money is gone.

But it doesn’t end there, for not only is inclusion in these Ponzi schemes mandatory to employees, but when FICA contributions are inadequate — as they already are for Medicare — every taxpayer is forced to contribute to the deficiency via the general revenues.

As bad as all this is, perhaps the most egregious violation of rights comes in the treatment of future generations. Thanks to a complicit majority, those of voting age have for years now sought to burden (some might say indenture) the next generation with their retirement and medical bills. It’s a classic case of trying to have one’s cake and eat it too. Voters approve and enjoy all the current year spending to which their withholding taxes go, but still expect someone else — indeed a whole generation — to provide them with the very goods they refuse to set aside.

Redistributing wealth in any form is bad enough, but there’s a certain audacity to forcing the young and not-yet-born to become the primary victims. (This type of conflict is far from an anomaly; collectivist schemes to redistribute wealth always pit one group against another, here the strife they cause is intergenerational.)

Having now established the moral and economic bankruptcy of our entitlement programs, the question becomes: what do we do with them? Given how long the programs have run and how many people have been forced to participate, there can be no easy answer. But to get us started, why not look at an analogous situation? There are obvious differences between Madoff’s and FDR’s Ponzi schemes, but reviewing how Madoff’s is being handled does provide two valuable insights.

First, as soon as Madoff’s scam was discovered, it was shut down. Second, a trustee was appointed to return what funds remained, and then to reclaim money from anyone who’d knowingly or unknowingly profited from the scheme. In justifying this, the trustee appropriately decided that no one had a right to “fictitious profits” or “other people’s money.” Since there was no investment to generate returns, the most anyone could get back was the dollar amount they’d contributed.

With this in mind, here are some initial ideas on how to tackle our entitlement mess:

1) Stop the programs immediately. No one would accrue another cent towards Social Security, Medicare, or Medicaid.

2) Continue to make Social Security payments on the existing schedule, but cap the lifetime payouts to the nominal value of past contributions. For younger people this would be an easy transition as they could plan their retirements accordingly. For some older people this would be more difficult, and in those cases of real hardship, they could be added to the welfare rolls. (Indeed, it’s been argued that entitlement programs are already a form of welfare.)

3) Convert Medicare and Medicaid to a monthly payment similar to Social Security and cap these to lifetime contributions as well.

4) Fund the remaining liabilities through the general revenues. This is already how SMI and Part D of Medicare are funded, but the difference here is that over time expenditures would taper to zero rather than growing exponentially as they do now.

Ending a fantasy is never welcome for those who want the impossible and who think that all they have to do is cast a vote to make it happen. Nor can there be any easy or completely just solutions to a colossal, multi-decade Ponzi scheme. But the solution outlined above has several merits:

It ends the program.
No one is cut-off “cold turkey.”
Anyone who lives long enough gets back what they put in (less inflation).
Unemployment is reduced by the elimination of the FICA payroll tax.
People are once again able to prioritize their values and plan for their own retirements and medical care.

Finally, and most importantly, future generations can once again enjoy the freedoms and opportunities that were — and should be — this nation’s hallmark.


2 posted on 10/30/2011 5:23:19 AM PDT by IbJensen (The best thing you can do for the poor is not be one of them.)
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To: IbJensen

Most americans want the problems fixed. At everyone else’s expense. I read a poll quite some time ago in which 70% of the respondants wanted cuts in govt. When asked what, they all pointed at everyone else’s programs.


3 posted on 10/30/2011 5:26:42 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: IbJensen

Agreed. People want their benefits and they’re right - they paid for them with their taxes.

No politician is going to tell voters they shouldn’t get them.

That’s the bottom line.


4 posted on 10/30/2011 5:33:07 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: Scotsman will be Free

Yup. That makes reforming entitlement programs politically dangerous. Its one thing to phase them out for future generations, its another thing altogether to take them away from present beneficiaries.

No one is going to do it - the costs are just too high.


5 posted on 10/30/2011 5:35:44 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives In My Heart Forever)
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To: goldstategop

I’ll do it.


6 posted on 10/30/2011 5:40:08 AM PDT by ecomcon
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To: IbJensen

The depressing part is that a lot of people who are hooked on these entitlements could care less about the country’s fiscal solvency or the future of their kids as long as they keep getting their government cash. To hell with everyone else. Touch my money and I’ll riot. The Welfare state truly did destroy any sense of common sacrifice among our citizens. Now its just gimme gimme gimme and make someone else pay for it. When there are no more “rich” to pay, the entitled class will riot like they are doing in Greece.


7 posted on 10/30/2011 5:42:49 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: IbJensen
By some estimates, a typical 66-year-old couple today will get back double what they paid in. It’s no wonder that our entitlement programs are often compared to criminal Ponzi schemes.

That isn't the problem. The problem is that the money that is taken in isn't invested properly. If I put money in a 401K over 45 years and at age 66 I only had twice what I put in, I'd be livid (or mad at myself for being stupid).

8 posted on 10/30/2011 5:45:07 AM PDT by Go Gordon
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To: goldstategop

Pretty sorry state of affairs, isn’t it?


9 posted on 10/30/2011 5:46:28 AM PDT by Scotsman will be Free (11C - Indirect fire, infantry - High angle hell - We will bring you, FIRE)
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To: IbJensen

As my husband and I are “seniors” who have paid into the plan with huge sums all our lives, this plan would be rough. Be as it may, I think I would at least sleep better knowing that the country was getting back on track and that my Grandchildren would not suffer.

I think there are enough of us who would accept the sacrifice. It would take a massive education campaign to explain the need and convince as many people as possible. Think about it..... I don’t want to loose the social security and medicare benefits that I have come to accept as my due, but if I am realistic, I have to know that they are going to stop when the money runs out anyway (long before I die), so best to stop now with a plan for our nation’s recovery. The only negative I can think of is that I would make the sacrifice now and then we would allow liberals back in and they would begin the mess all over again and my sacrifice would have been wasted.

As for politicians..... well, we would be forced to go back to the original idea of no career politicians. A person would be elected to go to congress to get done what is necessary regardless of hurting his “re-election status”, then go home and and let someone else follow in his footsteps.


10 posted on 10/30/2011 5:50:31 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Opinionated Blowhard

And on the brink of doing here.


11 posted on 10/30/2011 5:53:37 AM PDT by corlorde (Drone strikes: the preferred method of killing by Nobel peace prize winners since 2009)
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12 posted on 10/30/2011 5:53:49 AM PDT by DJ MacWoW (America! The wolves are here! What will you do?)
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To: IbJensen

Sensible and realistic apply only to the sensable and the realistic, this is like taking heroin away from the heroin addict of coarse with the screaming political support group behind them.


13 posted on 10/30/2011 5:53:52 AM PDT by ronnie raygun (V)
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To: IbJensen

“Unemployment is reduced by the elimination of the FICA payroll tax.”
I always considered FICA the percentage I could have negotiated for had not the government stepped in and declared it part of “my salary.” I think the author is wrong in his thinking that this percentage is what’s holding back employment at the bottom end of the scale. It’s the minimum wage laws (frequently referred to as “living wage.”)

These minimum wage laws hit the least skilled the hardest. These least skilled are likely to live in regions infested with Democrats who have made that particular area even less likely for businesses to hire by raising the local minimum (livable) wage even higher than the federal requirement. The problem is that the employer must train the individual before they can even use them. The employer has the added expense of training (sometimes to read or do simple math) and then the employer must overcome the employee’s entitlement mentality too.

Employers respond by moving out of certain districts and, perhaps, offshore.


14 posted on 10/30/2011 6:00:48 AM PDT by Gen.Blather
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To: ronnie raygun
"this is like taking heroin away from the heroin addict of coarse"

I am tired of making decisions based on the fear of the masses rioting. They are going to riot eventually anyway when the money runs out like it did in Greece. Better to face the riots now while we still have the strength of our city police and military to help.

15 posted on 10/30/2011 6:05:51 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: IbJensen
By 2010 entitlement programs cost employees up to $12,648 for Social Security and an unlimited amount for Medicare (at a rate of 2.9% of salaried income)...By some estimates, a typical 66-year-old couple today will get back double what they paid in.

Pure bullS#!&. If a person kicks in $12,648, that is matched by the employer, or just over $25,000. Take that and multiply it by 45 years and you get $1,125,000. Since the average balance over the 45 years is half that, it comes to $562,500. Figuring that interest rates average just 4% for all those years, that's $22,500 per year in interest times 45 or $1,012,500 in interest added to the $1,125,000 in principal, or $2,137,500 total. Even assuming life expectancy rises from 78 to 90, that's $85,500 per year. I don't know about you, but my SS check is a little south of that amount. In fact, at my current payout, the fund keeps growing because I don't even get $22,500 a year.

Even worse, they take the money if you die early. My Mom paid in for 42 years and died 8 months after she retired. The gov't gets to keep the funds. That's why we should do what Chile does and have individual retirement accounts. At least that way, you could leave something to your heirs.

16 posted on 10/30/2011 6:06:53 AM PDT by econjack
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To: ecomcon; goldstategop

LOL! Vote for ecomcon!

Got a question or two.
Instead of framing it as “taking away”, why not say; “reform”?

Also, why are welfare and education NOT mentioned?
Simple “reform” ideas:

- require drug tests for all welfare (include Medicaid!) recipients. I’d love to see that passed into law. Maybe. Unintended consequences?

FReepers are a right smart bunch. Is there no possibility of PRACTICAL reforms that don’t include political suicide?

How about vouchers? Nation wide. These are just off the top of my head, but vouchers? Folks LOVE vouchers *...that seems to be just the opposite of political suicide imo.

* well, “folks”...NEA, Unions, thugs, etc. don’t count.
While I’m thinking about alphabets and acronyms...what about dismantling THAT legion and squalid collection of faceless bureaucrats?

I’ll be ecomcon’s VP, if that’ll help...
Cheers!


17 posted on 10/30/2011 6:30:17 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: IbJensen

Good article, GREAT thread. These evil socialist schemes have been built on the backs of DEAD Americans, people who have been FORCED to pay their entire lives and have never taken anything or very little in return.

The solution: More dead Americans combined with socialists TAKING more of your money.

The program: Hillarycare/Romneycare/Obamacare/Totalitariancare

The method: FORCE

From “The Law”...

Now this must be said: When justice is organized by law — that is, by force — this excludes the idea of using law (force) to organize any human activity whatever, whether it be labor, charity, agriculture, commerce, industry, education, art, or religion. The organizing by law of any one of these would inevitably destroy the essential organization — justice. For truly, how can we imagine force being used against the liberty of citizens without it also being used against justice, and thus acting against its proper purpose?

This is the seductive lure of socialism. And I repeat again: These two uses of the law are in direct contradiction to each other. We must choose between them. A citizen cannot at the same time be free and not free.

Woe to the nation when this latter purpose prevails among the mass victims of lawful plunder when they, in turn, seize the power to make laws! Until that happens, the few practice lawful plunder upon the many, a common practice where the right to participate in the making of law is limited to a few persons. But then, participation in the making of law becomes universal. And then, men seek to balance their conflicting interests by universal plunder. Instead of rooting out the injustices found in society, they make these injustices general. As soon as the plundered classes gain political power, they establish a system of reprisals against other classes. They do not abolish legal plunder. (This objective would demand more enlightenment than they possess.) Instead, they emulate their evil predecessors by participating in this legal plunder, even though it is against their own interests.

It is as if it were necessary, before a reign of justice appears, for everyone to suffer a cruel retribution — some for their evilness, and some for their lack of understanding.

It is impossible to introduce into society a greater change and a greater evil than this: the conversion of the law into an instrument of plunder.

Is there any need to offer proof that this odious perversion of the law is a perpetual source of hatred and discord; that it tends to destroy society itself? If such proof is needed, look at the United States [in 1850]. There is no country in the world where the law is kept more within its proper domain: the protection of every person’s liberty and property. As a consequence of this, there appears to be no country in the world where the social order rests on a firmer foundation.

I do not think that illegal plunder, such as theft or swindling — which the penal code defines, anticipates, and punishes — can be called socialism. It is not this kind of plunder that systematically threatens the foundations of society. Anyway, the war against this kind of plunder has not waited for the command of these gentlemen. The war against illegal plunder has been fought since the beginning of the world. Long before the Revolution of February 1848 — long before the appearance even of socialism itself...

But it does not always do this. Sometimes the law defends plunder and participates in it. Thus the beneficiaries are spared the shame, danger, and scruple which their acts would otherwise involve. Sometimes the law places the whole apparatus of judges, police, prisons, and gendarmes at the service of the plunderers, and treats the victim — when he defends himself — as a criminal.

But how is this legal plunder to be identified? Quite simply. See if the law takes from some persons what belongs to them, and gives it to other persons to whom it does not belong. See if the law benefits one citizen at the expense of another by doing what the citizen himself cannot do without committing a crime.

Then abolish this law without delay, for it is not only an evil itself, but also it is a fertile source for further evils because it invites reprisals. If such a law — which may be an isolated case — is not abolished immediately, it will spread, multiply, and develop into a system.

Above all, if you wish to be strong, begin by rooting out every particle of socialism that may have crept into your legislation. This will be no light task.

Frederic Bastiat 1801-1850


18 posted on 10/30/2011 6:33:59 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: ecomcon
I’ll do it.

ecomcon for President!

19 posted on 10/30/2011 6:35:02 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: spankalib; ecomcon
I’ll be ecomcon’s VP, if that’ll help...

That's the ticket!

20 posted on 10/30/2011 6:39:27 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: IbJensen
From the article:

Continue to make Social Security payments on the existing schedule, but cap the lifetime payouts to the nominal value of past contributions.

I wish. I've done the calculations. The nominal value of my contributions is about $800,000 right now. That's not theoretical -- it's based on exactly how much I've contributed, and the average long-term US Treasury bond yield each year.

I simulated the investment of each year's contributions into a long-term bond at that year's average yield, and then reinvest the dividends each subsequent year along with the new contributions. Keep in mind that I started my career in the 80's, when US Treasury bonds were paying double-digit interest rates, and would do so for 30 years. So, the balance is much higher than if you used the current Treasury bond yields.

But, if I continue the simulation until I plan to start receiving Social Security benefits (investing each year in a long-term bond at 4%), I still would have about $1.6 million. The current Social Security benefit schedule wouldn't pay me the nominal value of those benefits unless I lived to about age 175.

My point is that this part of the this proposal sounds like a hardship. But, for the baby boomer generation (and subsequent ones) that have been paying much higher payroll tax rates, it's actually an empty promise.

21 posted on 10/30/2011 6:44:29 AM PDT by justlurking (The only remedy for a bad guy with a gun is a good WOMAN (Sgt. Kimberly Munley) with a gun)
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To: IbJensen
Before cutting Social Security and Veteran's Benefits, I'd eliminate the hundreds of billions spend on:

Anchor babies, illegals, new immigrants, and their respective extended families,
 (illegals alone cost $1/4 - $1/3 trillion per year)
Fixing up ramshackle Mexican trucks that will put Americans out of work,
Sponsoring green technology overseas,
Paying college tuition for students from China (8 billion per year),
Setting up the Moslem Brotherhood and al-Quaeda in Libya and Egypt,
Setting up CDC labs overseas,
Paying for post doctoral degrees for Indian scientists,
Billions in tax credits for illegals from the IRS,
Subsidizing Palestinian terrorists,
Funding the Taliban and other terrorist organizations in Afghanistan,
Hiring foreign workers for Oregon Forestry companies,
The entire Department of Education ($ 71,333,000,000),
The entire Department of Housing and Urban Development ($ 46,277,000,000),
International Assistance Programs ($ 25,502,000,000),
The entire Department of Department of Energy ($ 34,215,000,000,), etc.
22 posted on 10/30/2011 7:44:17 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: IbJensen
This proposed solution will fix the big problem as I see it: too many people who have paid in for only a few years or not at all.

Immigrants, people in exempt jobs, and welfare queens have been able to qualify for a SS check at retirement by simply working for a few hours per year for a few short years. My beef has always been that Social Security should be saved for people who have paid into it their whole lives, (25 to 30 years minimum, full time at least minimum wage).

Another problem I have is with disability. The disability check should be smaller than the normal retirement amount. Yet, my father received a much larger check due to his heart attacks and triple bypass surgery in his 50's and continued to draw a much higher amount after 65 than he would have qualified for otherwise. After he died, my mother continued to receive this much higher check even though she is much younger than him and not disabled. Yet that is the rules, although I should add that while he worked my dad paid the max amount every year, and that my mother worked and paid in also.

Also, kill Part D, or replace it with a map to the nearest Wal Mart and a list of their $4 generic prescriptions.

23 posted on 10/30/2011 8:15:13 AM PDT by sportutegrl
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To: algernonpj; PGalt; All

Amen to that! Love your list.
Shoot, if that and all the other carp was cut, we could actually INCREASE benefits to our Vets. Who wouldn’t want that? “As VP, I will push for legislation...”

PG, luvs me some Bastiat. Genius. He is eloquent in his description of this virulent evil we now face. We must must MUST stop it!

What else can we REFORM? I can actually envision a really well-rounded and thought-out “master list” we can at least “sticky”(?) somewhere as a reference, so we don’t have the info scattered all over the threads. Why not? This is excellent material. (and it sure beats the heck out of the depressing ‘we can’t fix this’ thoughts)


24 posted on 10/30/2011 8:23:19 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: spankalib; PGalt; All

spankalib,

Thanks you have given me motivation to continue with my list. A few months ago I created a folder with articles about where your money goes, and created the list.

Today I found a new item to add: $900 billion in WASTE in medicare for the following. (IBM had offered to fix the government programming for free. Actually it’s a sin that the original programming did not include screening for such obvious types of fraud.)

List:
Unscrupulous doctors billing for over 24 hours per day of procedures,
Phony companies invoicing for phantom services,
Pharmacists filling prescriptions for dead patients,
Home health-care companies demanding payment for treating clients actually in the hospital,
Double billing


25 posted on 10/30/2011 8:53:25 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: IbJensen
Why not make all of these programs optional? If anyone is foolish enough to believe the government can manage their retirement better than the private sector, they can check a box on their W-2 and have an appropriate amount withheld. Same with Medicare. If you want the government insuring your health, check the box.

If you don't check any boxes, whatever you've paid into Soc Sec is still yours. Medicare is gone. But now there's no FICA withholding at all. And no general income tax increase to offset the loss in revenue from those who opt out and the increased costs of those who opt in. Let those who use pay.

26 posted on 10/30/2011 8:54:57 AM PDT by IronJack (=)
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To: IbJensen
I’m 59. I propose that Social Security be phased out over a generation’s time.

Step 1 would be to freeze current benefits to those on the receiving end now and end cost of living increases.

Step 2 would be to redefine beneficiaries to only those who have paid into the system, eliminating 25% of the benefit amount over a four year period to those who don’t belong.

Step 3 would be to offer a one-time cash incentive buyout to those who are within ten years of being eligible to receive benefits including a provision that they will never have social security taxes taken from their checks again as long as they live. This would lower the long-term obligations being faced by those in the younger generations and allow more of their money to go toward their own private retirement accounts that they would own.

Step 4 would be to redefine benefit levels for those who fail to accept the buyout offer. They have a choice, the buyout or whatever results from the redefinition committee.

Those who are between ten and twenty years away from receiving benefits will have their social security taxes lowered a little to help them cope with the redefined benefit levels they will receive.

Anyone more than twenty years away from being eligible to receive benefits will not be able to collect anything from social security. Their social security taxes will be decreased as current recipients die off over time until one day it’s simply over and done with.

This approach has everyone giving a little and getting something positive in return. It’s the only way to get full buy-in.

27 posted on 10/30/2011 9:01:36 AM PDT by Uncle Sham
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To: algernonpj

Excellent stuff. Filed under Mcare fraud? And another file name Mcaid fraud?

How ‘bout this one...I know it isn’t “sexy”, but just think how much the cost of education is. Do you realize what a killing the textbook manufacturers are doing? One excuse they use to justify the soaking; “We have to print this new calculus edition, because of new methods of pedagogy”. It is immoral for my kid to have to ask me for 200 bucks for a new calculus book.

How does that work? The manufacturer sends his rep to take the head honchos out to lunch, and forks over part of the skim as ‘grant money’?
Hands out month-long vacation packages?
I don’t know, but SOMEONE’S getting rich off that BILK!

Eliminate tenure while we’re at it.

I swar! If we cut the criminality - we’d be ROLLIN IN DOUGH.

Apologize for the rantishness. Keep adding peeps! We can surely come up with a DOABLE list!
And it WON’T be political suicide.


28 posted on 10/30/2011 9:15:38 AM PDT by spankalib
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To: goldstategop
The *real* solution is what we are going to be forced to do, which is to devalue the dollar and then repay the obligations with cheaper dollars. Where obligations are indexed to inflation simply fudge the formulas and/or numbers used for those indexing calculations.

Some would suggest that America's favorite sport is Football or Baseball. In reality our favorite sport is lying to ourselves.

29 posted on 10/30/2011 9:59:19 AM PDT by The Duke
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
As my husband and I are “seniors” who have paid into the plan with huge sums all our lives, this plan would be rough. Be as it may, I think I would at least sleep better knowing that the country was getting back on track and that my Grandchildren would not suffer.

Amen. I think a lot of people are willing to go through some pain to get the country back on track. I know seniors who paid in their whole lives and are willing to accept less. I am in the category of people in their late 40s/early 50s who paid in a long time but who are going to get their benefits cut or their retirement date pushed back. I know I won't get what I paid in. And yet I will accept that to get the country back on track. The idea that the current system is sustainable is a lie. We all know it. And there are still Americans who are willing to do so as long as we know the system will be fixed. I will not sacrifice just so spending can continue to increase and we can take another step toward Communism. I will sacrifice to cut spending and return to stability.

30 posted on 10/30/2011 10:25:39 AM PDT by Opinionated Blowhard ("When the people find they can vote themselves money, that will herald the end of the republic.")
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To: The Duke
... Where obligations are indexed to inflation simply fudge the formulas ...

Too late ... this has already been done. The CPI has been 'enhanced' by the hedonics index, the substitution effect, geometric weighting, intervention analysis and chained dollars. The CPI has morphed from reflecting the cost of maintaining a set standard of living to reflecting the cost of maintaining a declining standard of living. This in turn has inflated our real GDP.

De-enhanced CPI:

Real GDP deflated by de-enhanced CPI:

31 posted on 10/30/2011 10:41:55 AM PDT by algernonpj (He who pays the piper . . .)
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To: IbJensen

The purpose of occupy is to fight to keep entitlements and increase the size and scope of government.


32 posted on 10/30/2011 1:14:49 PM PDT by NoLibZone (At the Occupy Los Angeles, free speech has been centralized, regulated & limited to a small area)
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To: algernonpj

Thanks for your lists/posts. I am for cutting ANY and ALL of it. Very good work, algernonpj!

DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.


33 posted on 10/30/2011 8:22:35 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: algernonpj

Thanks for your lists/posts. I am for cutting ANY and ALL of it. Very good work, algernonpj!

DEFUND socialist collectives, foreign and domestic.


34 posted on 10/30/2011 8:22:46 PM PDT by PGalt
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To: IronJack

As soon as they’re made optional, the camel has its nose under the tent. They need to be killed off and those of us who have, like myself, paid in $200M (let alone what my employer has coughed up) deserve at least the pittance until we’re dead. I’m 75 now and haven’t much longer to go.

From day one it should have been an elective program. Taking care of oneself should have been paramount. That $200M invested in the poorest performing mutual fund would have returned millions.

The central socialist government doesn’t deliver what it was intended to perform. It just keeps getting fatter and more obtrusive and larded with the dregs of the failures who can’t find gainful employment elsewhere that meets their qualifications: sloth.


35 posted on 10/31/2011 6:36:08 AM PDT by IbJensen (The best thing you can do for the poor is not be one of them.)
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