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Occupy protesters attempt to occupy Vancouver cathedral as attacks on Christianity mount
LifeSiteNews.com ^ | 11/02/2011 | Thaddeus Baklinski

Posted on 11/02/2011 7:43:06 PM PDT by fwdude

VANCOUVER, November 2, 2011 (LifeSiteNews.com) - On Sunday morning a break-away faction of the Occupy Vancouver movement tried to occupy the city’s Holy Rosary Cathedral during morning Mass.

Several dozen protesters, calling themselves ‘Occupy the Vatican’, were halted when Archbishop Michael Miller requested a police presence, and were stopped again later in the day by police and members of the Knights of Columbus.

The incident highlights a trend by some in the anti-corporate protest movement to use it as a launching pad for attacks on Christianity and the Catholic Church in particular.

Most infamously, on October 15th, members of the Occupy Rome protest entered a Roman Catholic Church and destroyed a statue of the Virgin Mary.

The effort to occupy the church in Vancouver comes after a call on October 13th by former Evangelical leader Frank Schaeffer for the Occupy movement to begin targeting Evangelical and Roman Catholic churches.

In a blog post, Schaeffer argued that “fundamentalist religion” has made the “rape” of the 99 percent possible by pushing moral issues such as abortion and same-sex “marriage,” thus encouraging the less fortunate to “vote against their own class” by backing the Republicans over the Democrats.

“The source of the empowering of the top 1 percent super wealthy and the economic rape of rest of us is the religion of Evangelical fundamentalism,” he wrote.

Frank’s father Francis Schaeffer was credited as a major theological inspiration for the conservative Christian political movement, including the U.S. pro-life movement. While still widely regarded as an Evangelical leader, Frank has joined the Greek Orthodox Church and renounced his former pro-life views.

“Fundamentalist religion of all kinds is the enemy of democracy and thus of America. It is the enemy of working people everywhere too when it’s bogus moral crusades empower the rich to thumb their noses at our government,” he wrote.

“The fundamentalist have replaced economic and political justice with a bogus (and hate-driven) ‘morality’ litmus tests of spurious red herring ‘issues’ from abortion to school prayer and gay rights,” he continued.

The ‘Occupy the Vatican’ group in Vancouver was not supported by Occupy Vancouver, but was reportedly comprised largely of First Nations people upset over the sex abuse crisis and a supposed land dispute.

The group has built a Facebook page to promote more activism against the Catholic Church and to build support for the cause in Europe. The charges the group levels against the Church are wide-ranging, including anger over its moral positions against homosexual acts and abortion.

Bill Donohue, president of The Catholic League, condemned the “Occupy the Vatican” demonstrators as “urban anarchists” akin to the Nazi movement of the 1930s.

“Busting into a house of worship is what the Nazis did in the 1930s to Jews: they disrupted services in synagogues throughout Germany,” Donohue pointed out.

“Today’s urban anarchists, e.g., the ‘Occupy’ thugs, are essentially nihilistic, though there are some who want to censor the voice of Catholicism. While we have not seen attempts by these crazies in the U.S. attacking Catholic churches, we will monitor these developments more closely,” Donohue told LifeSiteNews.

Catholic Civil Rights League executive director Joanne McGarry said that the Vancouver “Occupy the Vatican” incident was a predictable demonstration of things going awry in the protest movement, although she doesn’t think attacks on the Church are at the “core of the Occupy movement.”

“I think it’s inevitable in any protest movement,” McGarry told LifeSiteNews. “You’ll often see a pattern where things start fairly responsibly and then factions either break off or more radical groups join in.”

“It’s just a situation that all owners of private property need to be aware of, that faithful members of the Church need to be aware of,” McGarry said. “It’s plainly unacceptable to attempt to occupy a church, particularly during Mass.”


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This part was jaw-dropping for me:

Frank’s father Francis Schaeffer [emphasis added] was credited as a major theological inspiration for the conservative Christian political movement, including the U.S. pro-life movement. While still widely regarded as an Evangelical leader, Frank has joined the Greek Orthodox Church and renounced his former pro-life views.

“Fundamentalist religion of all kinds is the enemy of democracy and thus of America. It is the enemy of working people everywhere too when it’s bogus moral crusades empower the rich to thumb their noses at our government,” he wrote.

I guess even children of saints can become evil by their own willful disobedience.

1 posted on 11/02/2011 7:43:13 PM PDT by fwdude
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To: fwdude
"Knights of Columbus"

Did they all bring their swords?

2 posted on 11/02/2011 7:48:28 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

We all should. I will not willfully permit the desecration of any church by pagans. Call me and I will help defend them.


3 posted on 11/02/2011 7:50:37 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: fwdude

“While still widely regarded as an Evangelical leader, Frank has joined the Greek Orthodox Church and renounced his former pro-life views.”

Then why is he in the Greek Orthodox Church? Last time I heard, Eastern Orthodoxy is prolife and pro-marriage as Jesus defined it in Matthew 19:4-6.


4 posted on 11/02/2011 7:50:53 PM PDT by ReformationFan
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To: fwdude
...Frank has joined the Greek Orthodox Church and renounced his former pro-life views.

How does that work? I don't know much about the Orthodox church, but I've always assumed that it was pro-life.

5 posted on 11/02/2011 7:51:44 PM PDT by TexasKamaAina
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To: fwdude

By the way, the same U.S. law that forbids forcible occupation of an abortion clinic also forbids disrupting religious services in this matter.


6 posted on 11/02/2011 7:51:44 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: fwdude

“I guess even children of saints can become evil by their own willful disobedience.”

Or, they could be tired of camping outside in the winter, noticed the Church had central heat, a warm/dry interior, and sympathetic management.

Just sayin’.


7 posted on 11/02/2011 7:52:28 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: GAB-1955

Freedom of Access to Clinic Entrances Act (FACE or the Access Act, Pub. L. No. 103-259, 108 Stat. 694) (May 26, 1994, 18 U.S.C. § 248)


8 posted on 11/02/2011 7:53:30 PM PDT by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: GladesGuru

Yeah, that’s the answer. NOT!


9 posted on 11/02/2011 7:54:09 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

bookmark


10 posted on 11/02/2011 7:54:25 PM PDT by American Quilter (Herman Cain for President: a conservative with 40 years of executive experience.)
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To: guitarplayer1953

I’d bring a friggin’ samurai katana. Cut an arm off easy. Or anything else in its path that’s not made of steel.


11 posted on 11/02/2011 7:54:51 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: fwdude

You can’t have collectivism with individual judgement and consequence standing in the way.


12 posted on 11/02/2011 7:55:52 PM PDT by posterchild (I'm old enough to remember when journalists bothered to look things up on wikipedia.)
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To: GladesGuru

Logical next step in cold/rainy/snowy occupation climes.


13 posted on 11/02/2011 7:56:03 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: GAB-1955

““I think it’s inevitable in any protest movement,” McGarry told LifeSiteNews. “You’ll often see a pattern where things start fairly responsibly and then factions either break off or more radical groups join in.”

UH, DUH!

the tea Party never had this problem!!!!!


14 posted on 11/02/2011 7:57:18 PM PDT by Recovering Ex-hippie (Rick Perry 2012)
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To: fwdude

I’m not Catholic but this is way out of hand. Sons a bitches.


15 posted on 11/02/2011 7:57:49 PM PDT by youngidiot (Hear Hear!)
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To: GAB-1955

Good answer! I commend you.


16 posted on 11/02/2011 7:58:29 PM PDT by namvolunteer (We draw the Congressional districts this time)
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To: GladesGuru

“they could be tired of camping outside in the winter, noticed the Church had central heat, a warm/dry interior, and sympathetic management.”

That sympathy disappears quickly when the Church stands to lose; look at some Catholic schools & hospitals fight efforts by their workers to unionize. Also, a lot of construction work done for the Church is non-union; the lowest bidder can’t afford union workers.


17 posted on 11/02/2011 7:58:52 PM PDT by kearnyirish2
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To: ReformationFan; TexasKamaAina
Then why is he in the Greek Orthodox Church? Last time I heard, Eastern Orthodoxy is prolife and pro-marriage as Jesus defined it in Matthew 19:4-6.

Exactly. My guess is that becoming (nominally) Greek Orthodox was his most extreme way of rebelling against his fundamentalist Christian roots. The G.O. part means nothing to him; it's just his anarchist way of contemptuously thumbing his nose at the faith of his father.

18 posted on 11/02/2011 7:59:06 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

Stopped by the Knights of Columbus. Love it.

Fortunately it is now November and not mid-July.


19 posted on 11/02/2011 8:01:12 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: fwdude; Goreknowshowtocheat; Absolutely Nobama; Elendur; it_ürür; Bockscar; Mary Kochan; ...
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Freep-mail me to get on or off my pro-life and Catholic List:

Add me / Remove me

Please ping me to note-worthy Pro-Life or Catholic threads, or other threads of general interest.


20 posted on 11/02/2011 8:01:18 PM PDT by narses (what you bind upon earth, shall be bound also in heaven; and what you loose upon earth, shall be ..)
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To: fwdude

OK...WHERE is this? Canaduh? or Washington State?


21 posted on 11/02/2011 8:02:02 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Travis McGee
Use to have a WW2 Jap army issue samurai quite deadly weapon.
22 posted on 11/02/2011 8:05:05 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: goodnesswins
OK...WHERE is this? Canaduh? or Washington State?

Vancouver, Canaduh. Where the right to bear arms is non-existent and actually a federal crime. Otherwise, you wouldn't see this type of outright barbarism pressing in on all sides.

Let's everyone rank the states that will fall last (if at all) to barbarism based on respect for the 2nd Amendment. I put my own Texas as near the top.

23 posted on 11/02/2011 8:05:35 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: GAB-1955

I like your response. I’m not Catholic, but I would consider it a high honor to stand with the Knights of Columbus in helping repel these satanic orcs.


24 posted on 11/02/2011 8:07:03 PM PDT by Texan Tory (Herman Cain for president. Because sometimes it does take a rocket scientist.)
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To: Travis McGee

You must not fight on Holy Ground! Haven’t you ever seen Highlander?


25 posted on 11/02/2011 8:08:05 PM PDT by kaboom
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To: Texan Tory
I’m not Catholic, but I would consider it a high honor to stand with the Knights of Columbus in helping repel these satanic orcs.

Count me, and 100's of thousands of other Evangelicals, in as well. We are the true 99%.

26 posted on 11/02/2011 8:09:46 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

Arizona has Texas beat, hands down. Constitutional carry, and Travis’s Katana is also legal. Texas has some weird anti-freedom laws about edged weapons.


27 posted on 11/02/2011 8:12:25 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Air Tractor)
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To: ReformationFan

Frank Schaffer is long dead

His son Franky Schaffer has never been a Christian leader. He has generally been described as an a****le but those who know him and it has been a long standing afflcition.


28 posted on 11/02/2011 8:13:49 PM PDT by Chickensoup (In the 20th century 200 million people were killed by their own governments.)
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To: CarryaBigStick

I did say “near” the top. Yes, Arizona does it right, and Constitutionally.


29 posted on 11/02/2011 8:14:10 PM PDT by fwdude ("When in the Course of human events it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve ...")
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To: fwdude

Bring the bastards on we are ready for them.Been through ACT up now they want more.Bring them on we are ready.


30 posted on 11/02/2011 8:14:23 PM PDT by fatima (Free Hugs Today:))
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To: guitarplayer1953

I have one around. Sharp as the day it was made. Shaving sharp. Scary sharp. You REALLY have to warn folks to be careful when they draw it.


31 posted on 11/02/2011 8:19:09 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: fwdude

I’d move to Texas in a heartbeat if I could bring my swords with me. Sword Katas with a wooden bokken just ‘don’t cut it’. :)


32 posted on 11/02/2011 8:20:22 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Air Tractor)
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To: fwdude

Thanks....I lived in Vancouver BC for 18 months.....blech. Nice place to visit.


33 posted on 11/02/2011 8:20:44 PM PDT by goodnesswins (My Kid/Grandkids are NOT your ATM, liberals! (Sarah Palin))
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To: Travis McGee
is yours millitary or older with the lizard handle and charms on it? My dad had several of the very ornate swords from the 1800’s.
34 posted on 11/02/2011 8:25:48 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: fwdude

On the subject of Frank and his followers, they are clearly nuts...seriously, dangerously, nuts.


35 posted on 11/02/2011 8:27:05 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Air Tractor)
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To: guitarplayer1953

No, no lizards or charms. It’s very basic, a WW2 soldier’s katana in a brown wood scabbard with matching grip. But the steel is awesome.


36 posted on 11/02/2011 8:28:20 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: goodnesswins

The whole ‘occupy’ movement was allegedly started by a total whack-job anarchist in Vancouver, B.C.


37 posted on 11/02/2011 8:29:59 PM PDT by CarryaBigStick (My office is an Air Tractor)
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I’ve noticed the birth of a new meme in these ows stories where people are doing bad stuff.

In every one of these stories, its always the deeds of a “breakaway group”, or a splinter group or something, implying that OWS is not supportive of it.

I expect to “unexpectly” see this term more often, as these groups devolve.


38 posted on 11/02/2011 8:45:16 PM PDT by dsrtsage (One half of all people have below average IQ...In the US the number is 54%)
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To: GladesGuru

This is Vancouver in October. It’s rainy sure, but not cold.

Prayers for the Cathedral.


39 posted on 11/02/2011 8:49:39 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: narses; All

Again, I am going to repeat this:

The OWS [bowel] movement is not a political protest, it is a civil disturbance. It’s time to call in the National Guard. This isn’t cute anymore.


40 posted on 11/02/2011 8:50:06 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: fwdude

Thank you sir. We need all the help we can get. :)

Blessings to you and yours.


41 posted on 11/02/2011 8:53:36 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: BenKenobi

“This is Vancouver in October. It’s rainy sure, but not cold.”

I”m from Florida - it’s cold there right now!

“Prayers for the Cathedral.”

Agreed, but cattle prods work better.

;-)


42 posted on 11/02/2011 8:56:44 PM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: fwdude; All

“I’m not Catholic, but I would consider it a high honor to stand with the Knights of Columbus in helping repel these satanic orcs.”

“Count me, and 100’s of thousands of other Evangelicals, in as well. We are the true 99%.”

Hey, don’t forget us Jews who haven’t sold out and morphed into libs! I will stand with my Christian Brothers and Sisters to stop ANY desecration to ANY of God’s Houses.


43 posted on 11/02/2011 9:00:17 PM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (Chairman Obama And Ron Paul Are Sure Signs The Republic Is In Serious Trouble. God Help Us All.)
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To: Travis McGee
I had an older brother who got all the swords my dad had and he had civil war swords and samurai's and such. My dad collected swords and guns.
44 posted on 11/02/2011 9:04:36 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: Absolutely Nobama

And we your places of worship. God Bless America.


45 posted on 11/02/2011 9:09:22 PM PDT by sgtyork (The secret of happiness is freedom, and the secret of freedom, courage. Thucydides)
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To: GladesGuru

Oh, don’t worry, once word gets out that they tried to disrupt mass, there will be more knights there next time. :)


46 posted on 11/02/2011 9:12:05 PM PDT by BenKenobi (Honkeys for Herman! 10 percent is enough for God; 9 percent is enough for government)
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To: guitarplayer1953
Did they all bring their swords?

I suspect that the days are coming when my brother knights will be called upon to defend the Church, and not just metaphorically. Based on what I know, we're up to the challenge--at least our council. We're not just beer swillers...
47 posted on 11/02/2011 9:18:19 PM PDT by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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To: Antoninus
The reason I ask it seems like back in the 60’s there were lots of Knights of Columbus swords for sale in the 2nd hand stores.
48 posted on 11/02/2011 9:24:03 PM PDT by guitarplayer1953 (Rebellion to Tyrants is Obedience to GOD! Thomas Jefferson)
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To: guitarplayer1953

Not all, just the 4th degree Knights.


49 posted on 11/02/2011 9:24:39 PM PDT by Don Carlos (01/20/2009 - Begin the Obama Interregnum)
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To: Texan Tory

Indeed..I am a Protestant and am outraged.


50 posted on 11/02/2011 9:30:34 PM PDT by MEG33 (God Bless Our Military Men And Women)
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