Skip to comments.The Chinese Now Know Every Trick In The Book For Getting Into A US College
Posted on 11/04/2011 6:48:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
The number of Chinese students in American colleges has tripled in the last three years.
Unfortunately, most colleges don't know what they are getting into.
According to New York Times many of these students are arriving with barely passable English, despite dominating the SATs and having impeccable applications.
The secret to getting into college for a Chinese person is paying the right agency. About 80 percent of Chinese applicants use such agents according to a report by Zinch Group.
Aoji Education Group, for example, offers parents a package complete with money-back guarantee if you don't get into one of the five colleges you apply for.
Zinch Group's report also exposed these staggering facts about Chinese applicants:
* 90 percent of recommendations are fake
* 70 percent of essays are written by someone else
* 50 percent of transcripts are fabricated
* 30 percent of financial aid applications contain lies
* 10 percent of awards/achievements are fake
(Excerpt) Read more at businessinsider.com ...
sounds like the same agency the Kenyan hired to get him into the white house!
Ah, but 100% of the tuition checks are good!
That’s the only thing that really counts.
When I was an undergrad in computer engineering, I remember having more than one class where an Asian professor could not communicate. I have a pretty keen ear for dialects and accents, but these folks were just outright illiterate. Yet, they were allowed to teach.
I failed one class, because I literally could not understand the instructor. I would stay after for help, but even then he would just stand at the board writing equations and theorems without explaining anything. When I failed exams, I would stay after and ask for explanations, and he would just go to the board and write down the correct way to solve the problems.
I wound up leaving engineering altogether for English, and I have no regrets. For all of the engineering classes where I could understand the professor, I absorbed a lot of information and still use it today. Asian immigrants should be forced to take ESOL or English-competency exams before being allowed to register for classes.
The Chinese are also experts at reverse engineering, patent violations, copyright violations, product counterfeiting, industrial espionage, and other related activities.
No surprise that they apply similar skills to the college admissions process.
Being immersed in an environment of conversational english is one of the reasons they come here to learn. After a couple of months here, they speak pretty well.
What is the graduation rate for this group of students?
How does this group compare to various home grown student groups?
The dropout rate comparison?
Actually they do. There called TOEFL’s. That is not the answer because most of these kids are really good at taking tests. You need to have them do an intense interview process and that should weed out the fakes.
and 100% of the universities don’t give a rip because they are being paid cash money
“What is the graduation rate for this group of students?”
I would guess that it’s pretty good. Remember that there are a hell of a lot of people in China. So they can send what seems like a whole lot of them here and yet we’re still getting only the best and the brightest, so to speak.
Well, that’s OK, because much of the “education” they will receive is fake.
My kid’s room mate in college has a Chinese national for a TA in math and cannot understand him. My kid also has one for calculus, however, my kid is able to teach himself the material.
RE: What is the graduation rate for this group of students?
This site should help answer your question for high school :
We have an indicator of College graduation rates here for one college — GRINNEL :
Grinnell started seeing a steady stream of Chinese applications in the early 2000s, and says it can point to strong academic accomplishments among those applicants it has accepted.
Their graduation rate has been comparable to the 1,600-member Grinnell student body over all about 84 percent of those who enroll graduate in four years and most Chinese students at Grinnell do very well in economics, math or science, the subjects in which they are most likely to major (and usually double-major), Mr. Allen said. Help with writing English papers is also available in a writers workshop.
Chinese students are required to devote significantly more time to their studies than American students, and this generally carries through when they come to college in the U.S., he said.
Uh......maybe they can speak it, but no one can understand them.
They do exactly that for Indians in call centers for American companies. They interview them intensely and often over the course of several days to ensure that they’re adequately western-sounding.
We were actually encouraged to complain about any of the Indian folks who we couldn’t understand. Don’t understand why they couldn’t do something similar in academe.
TOEFL is just another standardized test that they can be taught.
I agree that they should be interviewed vs. tested.
I live in Maine, and many of the high schools here have international programs.
The parents of the foreign students pay as much as $40,000 per year to have their sons and/or daughters attend a public high school in small Maine towns. Many of these kids are from China, but others are from Vietnam, Estonia, Singapore, Japan, and numerous other countries. The American students and their foreign counterparts get along well. Some of the kids live in dorms while others live with host families.
It’s true that many of these students come here to improve their English language skills. Their parents apparently have a very high opinion of the American educational system and have said as much.
The Chinese students have said they prefer the American system. In China, they say, the instructor comes into the room, gives a lecture, the students take notes, and then the instructor leaves. The Chinese students like the give and take in the American classrooms better, where students are encouraged to ask questions and have a discussion. They say this doesn’t happen in China.
At a library book sale in a small Maine town last year, I met a female high school student from China who was helping to collect the money from the sale of books. I started to chat with her.....her English was excellent. She told me that her home town in China has 7 million people, and she chuckled when I told her that the entire State of Maine has a population of only 1.3 million!
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Supply-and-demand should sort this out.
If, despite all the BS, the applicant passes 4 years of testing and can apply that education in a manner consistent with the certification, great.
If, behind all the BS, the applicant either can’t perform his way thru 4 years of the gauntlet, or can’t perform on the job, the scamming will dry up and find somewhere else to thrive.
Methinks these things have a way of sorting themselves out. Market forces at work - they may take a while, but they do work.
Half of them are spies, ever considered this?
You have to ask what their plans are, where their families are, do they plan to stay here, is their family moving here. Americans are just not suspicious enough.
Interesting how you describe how well the foreign students get along in Maine high schools.
You don’t suppose that the fact that ME is lily-white might have something to do with it? It’s usually in conservative outlets that we hear about the systematic abuse and bullying of Asian and foreign students and who the culprits tend to be...
>>The Chinese are also experts at reverse engineering, patent violations, copyright violations, product counterfeiting ...
My good friend is a senior mechanical engineer for a company that designs large hydraulic pumping systems. He has a team of young engineers who do nothing but try to put “extra” impressive (but ultimately useless) stuff in the systems and pump cases. The Chinese copy the designs, then ultimately spend countless hours trying to figure out what the hell all this extra stuff is for. He says if done properly, it can give them a one to two year jump on the low cost copycats.
Doubly good for the college since it's for the out of state amount.
The last few times we were up in the musical practice rooms at UT Austin, we were the only ones who weren't speaking some Asian dialect.
Then the American students have to deal with the hostile and paranoid attitudes of those Chinese students!
Actually they’re not their best and brightest, they’re just better and brighter than ours.
If some prominent politicians would put together a good summary of all the ways the Chinese steal and cheat in their business and trade practices, I think the American people would demand some major changes. But there are probably too many politicians and businessmen with vested interests in the current system that nothing much will change for a time longer.
LOL...this is a well-known scam in the Pac-Rim area and Asian community in the U.S.A. Hard to believe its just now getting publicity in the U.S.A.
bkmrk for Art @ NCKU
It depends on what you want. You can get college-educated guys who speak beautiful English for one price, or the other kind for a much lower price.
The customer chooses which type they are willing to pay for, and the call center recruits to the customer’s specification.
The call center salesmen in the US will explain all this to you.
Driving through Newark Delaware last summer( home of Univ of Delaware) we noted large numbers of oriental students. More than ususal it seemed to us........
Colleges' love of money is behind many of the imigration scandals too. And a lot of these foreign students are just spoiled brats too -- I'm speaking more about Middle Easterners here. When my youngest son was in grad school he was constantly coerced into repairing equipment broken by the Turks who dominated his lab. His advisor finally had to order him to stop heping people because it was interfering with finishing his PhD.
I knew someone was going to mention the “spy” angle.
These kids are teenagers, and we’re talking the state of Maine here. What are they going to steal, our techniques for raking wild blueberries? How to use a chain saw while cutting down trees for firewood? How to put a rubber band on the claw of a lobster without getting nipped? Most of Maine’s “industries” are low-tech.
The schools are happy to get the $40,000 annual tuition fees to supplement their budgets. The local kids like interacting and making friends with young people their age from other countries, and the foreign kid’s parents want their offspring to succeed in the world, so they send them to America. The kid’s parents also like the fact that their children are going to school in a quiet, low-crime small town. Some of the parents were leery about enrolling their children in similar programs in big cities such as New York or Chicago. When the kid’s graduate, most of them plan to attend college in the U.S., Canada or Europe.
As I mentioned, they’re not just from China.....the kids are from many other countries around the world, including countries that are allied with the U.S.
The only time I ever got suspicious was during a trip to a T.J. Max store here in Maine this past August. There were three young Asian males in their 20’s shopping in the store. All three of them were clean cut with haircuts similar to a Marine’s. I thought they were off-duty U.S. Special Forces of some kind. At the checkout counter, the guy manning the cashier register struck up a conversation with them, and they said they were from China. They spoke perfect English. They said they were a part of some program at Jackson Lab (a large facility in Bar Harbor, Maine that breeds white mice for medical research). I thought they looked like PLA (People’s Liberation Army) types.
You hit it on the head. Most of the violence against Asian students in public schools occur in inner city black schools. Poor Asians immigrants live in poor neighborhoods. School officials are slow to react because they are black and since the attackers are their own and the victims are not, who cares. Of course if white students in a white district beat up on black student, MSM headlines for weeks till the school system apologizes and the white students arrested. Check out what is happening in Philadelphia. Ironically in CA where inner city schools are predominately Hispanics, blacks are getting the same treatment as Asians in black schools. Here is a bigger kicker, Asians in predominate Hispanic schools in general are left alone.
Good questions. Some personal insight:
1. I know of one program that admitted about 10 Chinese students one year, none made it through to the doctorate. Most dropped out, some transferred inside the univ, some transferred to programs at other universities. They were recruited on the basis of their quant ability, which is fine, but we are not an all-quant field and they couldn’t hack the other courses.
2. I’ve been on a few admissions committees for doctoral students. The Chinese come in with excellent quant scores, but their letters of recommendation tend to all look the same (”Pu Yi is #1 student in class of 3,000”) and rarely speak to the innovative abilities (which is key for a US doctoral program). The admissions letters written by the candidate often 1)exhibit a poor understanding of what programs are looking for (”it has always been my dream to be a professor”) or obviously look like fakes.
Maybe small schools don’t know how to deal with these issues, but my experience in large state universities is that admissions committees know exactly what they’re looking at and respond accordingly.
And, even when you think you’ve weeded out the fakes, some of them get in and 1)still don’t know English well enough to be a TA or work well with English speakers or 2)get through the courses, but can’t do the independent work required of the dissertation.
It’s good to get rid of the cheats from the beginning, but I also get the idea that many students are so desperate to get into a US school, that they see a consultant-written admissions essay as just the price to pay; they don’t see it as a moral issue or cheating and aren’t bad people in the way I would see an American who paid someone to take his GRE for him.
As for payment, most students at the full time doctoral level, including internationals, are funded by their program. No one is getting a check. At the masters level it is a bit different, since most masters programs aren’t funded the way PhD programs are.
They also have no moral problem with cheating in general. It’s considered part of “getting ahead”.
I once had a Chinese student comment that China was democracy.
After I finished laughing, I asked her about the treatment of the Falun Gong, Christians in ‘unofficial’ churches, dissidents, parents of children killed in disasters who sought punishment of those who built with bad cement, etc. She was dumbstruck.
I guess it’s only a democracy if you are an atheist with a college degree and a good job.
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