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Posted on 11/04/2011 6:48:46 AM PDT by SeekAndFind
sounds like the same agency the Kenyan hired to get him into the white house!
Ah, but 100% of the tuition checks are good!
That’s the only thing that really counts.
When I was an undergrad in computer engineering, I remember having more than one class where an Asian professor could not communicate. I have a pretty keen ear for dialects and accents, but these folks were just outright illiterate. Yet, they were allowed to teach.
I failed one class, because I literally could not understand the instructor. I would stay after for help, but even then he would just stand at the board writing equations and theorems without explaining anything. When I failed exams, I would stay after and ask for explanations, and he would just go to the board and write down the correct way to solve the problems.
I wound up leaving engineering altogether for English, and I have no regrets. For all of the engineering classes where I could understand the professor, I absorbed a lot of information and still use it today. Asian immigrants should be forced to take ESOL or English-competency exams before being allowed to register for classes.
The Chinese are also experts at reverse engineering, patent violations, copyright violations, product counterfeiting, industrial espionage, and other related activities.
No surprise that they apply similar skills to the college admissions process.
Being immersed in an environment of conversational english is one of the reasons they come here to learn. After a couple of months here, they speak pretty well.
What is the graduation rate for this group of students?
How does this group compare to various home grown student groups?
The dropout rate comparison?
Actually they do. There called TOEFL’s. That is not the answer because most of these kids are really good at taking tests. You need to have them do an intense interview process and that should weed out the fakes.
and 100% of the universities don’t give a rip because they are being paid cash money
“What is the graduation rate for this group of students?”
I would guess that it’s pretty good. Remember that there are a hell of a lot of people in China. So they can send what seems like a whole lot of them here and yet we’re still getting only the best and the brightest, so to speak.
Well, that’s OK, because much of the “education” they will receive is fake.
My kid’s room mate in college has a Chinese national for a TA in math and cannot understand him. My kid also has one for calculus, however, my kid is able to teach himself the material.
RE: What is the graduation rate for this group of students?
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This site should help answer your question for high school :
http://nces.ed.gov/fastfacts/display.asp?id=16
We have an indicator of College graduation rates here for one college — GRINNEL :
http://www.nytimes.com/2011/02/12/education/12college.html?pagewanted=all
EXCERPT:
Grinnell started seeing a steady stream of Chinese applications in the early 2000s, and says it can point to strong academic accomplishments among those applicants it has accepted.
Their graduation rate has been comparable to the 1,600-member Grinnell student body over all — about 84 percent of those who enroll graduate in four years — and most Chinese students at Grinnell do “very well” in economics, math or science, the subjects in which they are most likely to major (and usually double-major), Mr. Allen said. Help with writing English papers is also available in a writers’ workshop.
“Chinese students are required to devote significantly more time to their studies than American students, and this generally carries through when they come to college in the U.S.,” he said.
Uh......maybe they can speak it, but no one can understand them.
They do exactly that for Indians in call centers for American companies. They interview them intensely and often over the course of several days to ensure that they’re adequately western-sounding.
We were actually encouraged to complain about any of the Indian folks who we couldn’t understand. Don’t understand why they couldn’t do something similar in academe.
TOEFL is just another standardized test that they can be taught.
I agree that they should be interviewed vs. tested.
I live in Maine, and many of the high schools here have international programs.
The parents of the foreign students pay as much as $40,000 per year to have their sons and/or daughters attend a public high school in small Maine towns. Many of these kids are from China, but others are from Vietnam, Estonia, Singapore, Japan, and numerous other countries. The American students and their foreign counterparts get along well. Some of the kids live in dorms while others live with host families.
It’s true that many of these students come here to improve their English language skills. Their parents apparently have a very high opinion of the American educational system and have said as much.
The Chinese students have said they prefer the American system. In China, they say, the instructor comes into the room, gives a lecture, the students take notes, and then the instructor leaves. The Chinese students like the give and take in the American classrooms better, where students are encouraged to ask questions and have a discussion. They say this doesn’t happen in China.
At a library book sale in a small Maine town last year, I met a female high school student from China who was helping to collect the money from the sale of books. I started to chat with her.....her English was excellent. She told me that her home town in China has 7 million people, and she chuckled when I told her that the entire State of Maine has a population of only 1.3 million!
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