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To: sklar

It’s similar. They also said that the women were trailer-park trash and bimbos, they blamed Clinton’s political opponents unendingly, counted nothing as evidence short of a DNA test or criminal conviction, and announced that Clinton deserved a free grope, anyway.

Cain supporters and Clinton supporters say a lot of the same things.


59 posted on 11/07/2011 10:19:26 PM PST by Irish Rose (Will work for chocolate.)
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To: Irish Rose
Cain supporters and Clinton supporters say a lot of the same things.

Produce a dress with his DNA on it, or show us the scar on someone's lip and I'll feel bad about it.

One has had spurious allegations thrown at him (mainly by the press, just when he hit first place in the polls), the other had a number of named accusers, some with physical evidence disregarded by the press.

The differences are evident for those who wish to discern.

118 posted on 11/08/2011 6:33:02 AM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Irish Rose

With Clinton, we had a president who was sued for sexual harassment, with a 6-figure settlement, and who also had an accusation of forcible rape by a named woman who endured interviews directly from the press.

So far, with Cain we have numerous unnamed sources with vague accusations, one instance of a southern-style gentility that was conflated into harassment, one instance of a non-anonymous corroboration that is contradicted by several other (anonymous, to my knowledge) witnesses by a person with probable ties to other GOP campaigns, and now a named accuser who stands behind her high-profile lawyer and reads her account from a script.

There appears to be no corroborating evidence for any of the accounts, except for the ambivalent photo of Bialek with Cain, for which there is scant evidence that their recent encounter at TEACon went down in the manner she recounts.

I have no use for the “nuts and sluts” defense/offense that Clinton’s team used, but I have to admit I do not yet see much credibility in any of the accusations, including this one from Bialek.

The media has wagged the dog so many times in the past that many conservatives are very wary of their motives and highly suspicious of their methods. The fact that the GOP elite and the democrats appear to have agreed it’s Romney’s turn in the GOP nominee slot adds a sour flavor to the mix that also is hard to ignore.

Some believe that holding themselves to a higher standard has become a garrote around the conservative throat, I think. I can’t say I disagree, truth be told.

But, I also agree that we need to attack the narrative, undermine the accusations as innuendo and counter them with facts, rather than resort to political name calling. The anger many of us feel at the media, at the GOP elite, and at the democrats (did I already mention the media?) will make being the grown up in the room difficult, but we still need to make the effort, IMO.

I am still a Cain supporter, although I will still evaluate each new attempt to derail him in light of the actual evidence. The seriousness of the charge should not be enough, IMO, to derail his candidacy, unless the serious charge is accompanied by serious evidence. He said/she said is a poor substitute for evidence.


358 posted on 11/08/2011 2:57:24 PM PST by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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