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Chuck Todd: Third Or Fourth-Party Presidential Candidates Will Emerge In Spring
NewsBusters ^ | Mark Finkelstein

Posted on 11/08/2011 7:23:05 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest

Chuck Todd didn't cautiously couch his prediction. On today's Morning Joe, NBC's political director flatly forecast that third and/or fourth party presidential candidates will emerge in the Spring.

Todd based his bold prediction on the theory that there is a hunger for populist candidates, and that populism is not the way Obama or Romney [his presumed Republican candidate] "roll."

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: barackobama; chucktodd; mittromney; thirdparties

1 posted on 11/08/2011 7:23:09 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest
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To: netmilsmom; Behind Liberal Lines; Miss Marple; an amused spectator; Diogenesis; MEG33; PGalt; ...

Is Chuck Todd right? Will populist presidential third party candidates emerge? Ping to Today show list.


2 posted on 11/08/2011 7:25:20 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If Romney gets the nomination, could Huckabee, a populist said to detest Romney, jump in?


3 posted on 11/08/2011 7:26:55 AM PST by governsleastgovernsbest (FReepmail or ping me to be put on my ping list for criticism of liberal media)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Yes


4 posted on 11/08/2011 7:27:26 AM PST by Gadsden1st
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Is Chuck Todd right? Will populist presidential third party candidates emerge? Ping to Today show list.

Well I am sure Chuck Todd hopes so. Anything to help Obama win re-election. Liberals like Todd remember well how Perot helped Clinton get elected and would love nothing more than a replay of the same scenario. 3rd party voting is stupid, you'd have thought people would have learned that by now.

5 posted on 11/08/2011 7:28:49 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Sarah knew this was going to happen.

It's been her plan all along.

6 posted on 11/08/2011 7:28:56 AM PST by E. Pluribus Unum (The enemy of my enemy is my candidate.<sup>®</sup>)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Chuck Todd: Third Or Fourth-Party Presidential Candidates Will Emerge In Spring

WOW! I wonder how much $$$$$$$ THAT is going to cost the DNC??!!


7 posted on 11/08/2011 7:29:05 AM PST by SMARTY ("The man who has no inner-life is a slave to his surroundings. "Henri Frederic Amiel)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Huckabee will run on “the semi-socialist amnesty party”


8 posted on 11/08/2011 7:29:29 AM PST by Vaquero ("an armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

If Romney somehow magically gets the nomination, then I think a strong 3rd party candidate might jump in on the right, and honestly, I wouldn’t be suprised to see one jump in on the left too, especially if Obama’s numbers go lower than 40 and stay there.


9 posted on 11/08/2011 7:29:31 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Could it be Paul? After all yesterday he said he will not endorse the nominee if it's not him.
10 posted on 11/08/2011 7:29:37 AM PST by mk2000
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To: Longbow1969

I think Obama’s victory strategy all along hsa been for a 3d Party (Conservative) candidate to split his opposition votes. That is how Clinton won (Perot) and that is the game plan for 2012.


11 posted on 11/08/2011 7:33:36 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: TexasFreeper2009

I agree on both counts. On the Democrat side, their base won’t vote for Romney, but they might just stay home. A fourth party liberal challenger gets them to the polls, preventing (they hope) a Republican blow-out down ballot.


12 posted on 11/08/2011 7:35:33 AM PST by I Shall Endure
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Fourth party candidates? I can just imagine what that looks like.

BTW, Upchuck Todd is a dope and has no idea what he is talking about.

13 posted on 11/08/2011 7:39:03 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Check Post # 11. Todd has contacts inside the Obama Team.


14 posted on 11/08/2011 7:40:45 AM PST by Old Retired Army Guy
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

“It’s been her plan all along.”

Well, if it’s an Obama - Mitt contest it’s a lose lose proposition for conservatives and a win win for liberals.

At least with a third party we’d have a small chance.


15 posted on 11/08/2011 7:41:32 AM PST by babygene (Figures don't lie, but liars can figure...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

...We have one party now. What’s needed is a second party...


16 posted on 11/08/2011 7:42:43 AM PST by gargoyle (...it becomes necessary for one people to dissolve the political bands which have connected them...)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Look, if the Republicans nominate Mitt Romney, they will lose the POTUS election to POTUS Barack Hussein Obama. Obama is drooling over a Romney run at the POTUS. Romney will be a cinch for Obama to knock off, just as John McCain rolled over and played dead in 2008!!! It is Cain, Gingrich & Rubio, the Obamabots are terrified of. In the Obama view, Cain must be totally destroyed in any manner possible, and....i mean any manner, at all!!! Why? Because, if Cain win the POTUS nod from the Pubbies, and selects Marco Rubio as his running mate, a massive silent minority vote (Blacks, Hispanics, Asians, etc.), about 30%, will go to Cain/Rubio. Coupled with a huge, majority White vote, about 75%, Obama loses big time and the Democrat party just about ceases to exist as a functioning political party!!! the result would also be the same, if the ticket were Cain/Gingrich!!! Cain/Palin ditto!!! Cain/Jindal ditto!!! Cain/West ditto. Both political establishments, Democrat & Republican would rot and perish on the vine!!! America would be on the way back to the true world leader she can be!!! Wake up America!!! It is now time for all good men & women to come to the aid of their country!!!!


17 posted on 11/08/2011 7:42:51 AM PST by JLAGRAYFOX
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
I have been saying since the Summer of 2009 that this election would resemble 1860 most closely. Events are bringing the picture into sharper focus, but remember that we have 364 days to go, and most of what will determine the outcome hasn't happened yet.

The status quo is untenable. Everyone knows it, no one acts on it (yet).

The Romney nomination, which is inevitable, is an attempt by a dying party to keep the governing coalition that has ruled since 1933 in place. I don't think it will work.

Romney's nomination will split the GOP, and I doubt that it will be able to be revived in its present form.

Depending on WHEN Ronmey's victory is assured, an opposition force will appear. If he's a lock by, let's say, March, that opposition force will be very powerful.

The nature of the fourth party is less clear at this point. Will it be a Bell-Everett "can't we all just get along" party? Will it be a true, openly communist force?

The latter seems unlikely, but, in my view, only communism can cash the checks that politicians of both parties have been writing since 1965. As people come to realize that, support for a communist revolution may go as high as 15-20%.

A lot depends on what Barry's handlers decide to do. If he runs on "fundamental transformation", he will co-opt a lot of communists who believe (as I do) that he is one of them at heart. If he runs to the center, he will have communist opposition, unless Soros, Ayers, and whoever else is running the show decide that he's more valuable as a martyr.

Assuming that they keep him in the picture, and if he runs left, the war drums will be beating by Summer 2012. As mobs start rampaging in the cities, and as it becomes clear that Obama's reelection OR a conservative victory will both precipitate war, a "Constitutional Union" party running, let's say, Mitch Daniels and Sam Nunn will probably get into the picture.

Whatever happens, Romney as a major party nominee is unimportant, since there are no circumstances under which he can be elected.

18 posted on 11/08/2011 7:44:23 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Sarah knew this was going to happen.

Perhaps someone from the establishment emphatically assured her this would happen.

Romney and Obama would be competing for the same group of voters -- those Democrats and RINOs who voted for Obama in 2008.

Conservative Independents and Republicans would elect Sarah Palin in a landslide, against both Romney and Obama.

This is NOT 1992.

19 posted on 11/08/2011 7:44:58 AM PST by meadsjn
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
a 3d Party (Conservative) candidate to split his opposition votes

With who?

40% of the electorate is conservative, 60% are not.

It is almost impossible under current conditions for a real conservative to go from 40% to 51%. In a three way race with two liberals (Obama and Romney) to split the 60%, victory is not only possible but probable.

Do you seriously believe that Romney would seriously invade the 40% conservative base, presuming that the conservative candidate were not a paranoid dwarf with no political experience?

20 posted on 11/08/2011 7:48:18 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy
I think Obama’s victory strategy all along hsa been for a 3d Party (Conservative) candidate to split his opposition votes. That is how Clinton won (Perot) and that is the game plan for 2012.

Could well be. Sadly, there are still legions of confused conservatives who voted for Perot (twice in some cases) who still can't figure out that they are responsible for allowing Clinton to worm his way into the White House. The media was laughing the whole way knowing Perot was helping Clinton win.

A lot of these people haven't quite realized that our constitutional republic is, in effect, a 2 party system. You can work to change the least bad party from within, but rarely if ever will folks have the perfect candidate to vote for. With no means to build coalitions, 3rd party voting is just flat out stupid. Now, maybe we need a constitutional convention that moves us to a parliamentary type system that encourages multi-party coalition building, but that just isn't likely to happen in our lifetimes. We are stuck with what we have, and there are only going to be 2 realistic choices each election cycle - very often that is going to be bad and less bad.

21 posted on 11/08/2011 7:48:33 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
There's 3rd parties every election. There will be this election. Since 1854, they always failed. They fail now. They will fail this year. Even Teddy Roosevelt and Millard Fillmore, ex-presidents, failed as a 3rd party candidate.

So has Ross Perot, Strom Thurmond, George Wallace, Bob Barr, Pat Buchanan, Ron Paul, John Schmitz, Cynthia McKinney, and a host of other names.

22 posted on 11/08/2011 7:51:57 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: Old Retired Army Guy

I don’t buy it. I don’t see how the WH will be able to manufacture a Conservative challenge to the GOP nominee if we are satisfied with him. If you remember, Perot hated Bush with a passion and that is how that whole thing started. Even though Bush lost GOP votes to this dope, there was little or no indication that Perot was a right winger. He was a garden variety populist that conned a bunch of gullible rubes to vote for him.

BTW, Upchuck Todd doesn’t have sources on Team Obummer, he is the source along with all the other cretins on PMSLSD.


23 posted on 11/08/2011 7:55:29 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Jim Noble
Jim, you figured it out!

DEMOCRATIC PARTY

After Eric Holder resigns and is thrown under the bus, more and more of Obama’s dirty laundry becomes public. Howard Dean announces his candidacy and accuses Obama of selling out to Wall Street and the Military-Industrial Complex. Dean wins the first primaries and caucuses.

A Democratic “death squad” goes down to the White House and explains to Obama that he still has the blacks, but the rest of his coalition has deserted him. He pulls an LBJ and stands down his candidacy.

The next day Hillary resigns as Secretary of State and announces her candidacy. She becomes the main rival to Dean, representing centrists, much the way her husband did. Wall Street money immediately piles in.

The Democratic Convention is a rerun of 1968 with super-delegates giving Clinton the nod. She picks Evan Bayh of Indiana as her running mate.

Dean pulls his people out of the Democratic Party, charging that it is collaborating with a corrupt establishment, and he dusts off the old name of the Progressive Party, picking Dennis Kucinich as his running mate.

REPUBLICAN PARTY

Mitt Romney is the last man standing and gets the nomination. There is an old saying, “Democrats fall in love; Republicans fall in line.” Conservatives are expected to fall in line. Wall Street falls in line.

As expected, Ron Paul leaves the Republican Party and goes to the Libertarians, but there is a shock. Paul explains that he is 76 and is too old to do this anymore. It is time for the Libertarians to grow up and merge with the Tea Party. Paul motions offstage, and Sarah Palin comes on. Paul endorses Palin for the Libertarian-Tea Party nomination. Palin picks Rand Paul of Kentucky as her running mate.

THE ELECTION

Palin once remarked that she expected 2012 to be an “unconventional” election. I assumed she meant that it would not be a two-way race. While two-way races are won from the middle, three- and four-way races are won from the base. He who consolidates his base the most wins, and the Great Middle doesn’t matter at all.

The model for a truly unconventional race is 1860. The two candidates of the center (Douglas and Bell) captured few states. The candidates who consolidated their bases (Lincoln and Breckinridge) won the most states. Lincoln was elected with only 40% of the popular vote.

Palin repeats Lincoln’s accomplishment with 38% of the popular vote. The Democratic and Republican Parties go to the ash heap of history, and the American political landscape changes.

24 posted on 11/08/2011 7:57:37 AM PST by Publius
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To: Jim Noble
The Romney nomination, which is inevitable,

No it's not. Likely, yes. Inevitable, no. We have two months before the first Caucuses take shape.

25 posted on 11/08/2011 8:04:54 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: Darren McCarty
We have two months before the first Caucuses take shape

You don't seriously believe that voting can derail Romney at this point, do you?

26 posted on 11/08/2011 8:13:56 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

John Anderson ran as the 3rd party candidate and it didn’t hurt Reagan. Anderson got 6.6% of the vote.


27 posted on 11/08/2011 8:18:29 AM PST by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
If Cain's not the nominee there's probably some right side sentiment for a 3rd party candidate for the lunkheads who will only vote for a 'pure' conservative. There's planty of them around here these days.

I also expect some kind of challenge to obama from the extreme left...maybe Ralph Nader again or someone he pushes. Should be an interesting summer.

28 posted on 11/08/2011 8:22:46 AM PST by pgkdan ("Make what Americans buy, Buy what Americans make, and sell it to the world" Perry 2012)
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To: Jim Noble
It is almost impossible under current conditions for a real conservative to go from 40% to 51%. In a three way race with two liberals (Obama and Romney) to split the 60%, victory is not only possible but probable.

Do you seriously believe that Romney would seriously invade the 40% conservative base, presuming that the conservative candidate were not a paranoid dwarf with no political experience?

How is it "not only possible, but probable" considering the history of 3rd party candidacies and their failure to win since 1856? I'm seeing parallels to the Wilson election more than the Lincoln election with 3rd parties. Roosevelt and Taft split, and Wilson wins 400+ electoral with 40% of the vote.

It's not just about who is liberal or who is conservative. It's about convincing voters to vote for something besides defeating the other guy. It's about organization to get the message out. It's about getting one's people to the polls through door knocks, absentee voter chase, sign locations, and the other nuts and bolts things required for a successful campaign.

Let's stop Romney now while we can, and avoid this argument in the general election. I may throw up a protest vote in November like I did against Snyder, but I hold no illusions about a 3rd party candidate winning a presidency. Ever.

29 posted on 11/08/2011 8:26:10 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Exactly, to hell with the neo-whigs!

If they select ORomney to be their candidate, than the GOP will become the third party.

The way they treated Sarah is shameful, and is one reason I am no longer a registered Republican. I hope we can all stick it to them!

30 posted on 11/08/2011 8:39:27 AM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney! The GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him.)
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To: Publius; Jim Noble
I wish FR had a "LIKE" feature, because your post would be at the top of my list, you are 100% correct.

I just pray it doesn't have the same aftermath like 1860 did

31 posted on 11/08/2011 8:44:15 AM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney! The GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him.)
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To: Darren McCarty
How is it "not only possible, but probable" considering the history of 3rd party candidacies

You presume that the GOP is something other than a corpse.

32 posted on 11/08/2011 8:48:40 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: meadsjn
Conservative Independents and Republicans would elect Sarah Palin in a landslide, against both Romney and Obama.

No they would not, and that goes for any potential 3rd party candidate. Sarah Palin knows this and hence said she wasn't running.

This is NOT 1992.

No, it could be worse. 1912.

33 posted on 11/08/2011 9:00:24 AM PST by Darren McCarty (Anybody but Romney or Obama)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest

Definitely. If either Romney or Cain win the nomination, the scene will be ripe for it.


34 posted on 11/08/2011 11:45:17 AM PST by Huck (TAX TEA NOW==SUPPORT 9-9-9!)
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To: governsleastgovernsbest
Todd based his bold prediction on the theory that there is a hunger for populist candidates, and that populism is not the way Obama or Romney [his presumed Republican candidate] "roll."

Then Chuck Todd has a very selective form of amnesia. Obama was a populist candidate in 2008, from jump...

the infowarrior

35 posted on 11/08/2011 11:56:17 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: Publius
I see you remember 1968 very well. So do I.

Who in your scenario plays James Earl Ray? I have no doubt whatsoever that martyrdom for The One is Soros and Ayers' hole card.

36 posted on 11/09/2011 5:25:26 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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