Skip to comments.I SUPPORT HERMAN CAIN
Posted on 11/09/2011 5:31:58 AM PST by shortstop
Its a he said, she said.
And I side with him.
I liked Herman Cain before this current difficulty, and I like him now.
I dont believe he did it. And even if he did do it, Im not bothered enough to dump him.
The worst-case scenario is that 15 years ago he propositioned some women. If so, thats between him and his wife.
But I dont believe this is about passion.
This is about politics.
And this isnt just a high-tech lynching, it is a coup by innuendo. Because Herman Cain isnt really the victim here.
As the reporters race around hyperventilating, trying to bring this man down pushed on by whatever campaign orchestrated this the intent is to cheat democracy.
This isnt about workplace harassment.
This is about stealing an election.
Either Barack Obama or Rick Perry or Mitt Romney, threatened by Herman Cains success in the polls, decided to play the nuclear card. And these accusations real or trumped up were leaked for the purpose of removing Herman Cain as a candidate.
Sure, that hurts him.But nowhere near as much as it hurts those of us who would have voted for him.
See, the real point is that this information and this controversy were manufactured to make sure Herman Cain didnt become the president of the United States. The whole thing was cooked up to take an option away from voters.
That makes voters the victims.
As well as our Republic and its electoral system. When the system is cheated or manipulated, we have been oppressed, just as surely as if some palace intrigue had poisoned the prince. When you take a candidate away from the voters, you are taking freedom away from the voters. You are subverting the Constitution and fundamentally damaging our way of life and governance. If there is no choice, your vote is meaningless.
Its a big deal.
Now, lets get to the accusations.
First, an accusation without an accuser or a specific claim, is bull crud. Nameless women claiming unspecified things are not credible. Period.
Now, as to the bleach blonde who came out with Gloria Allred. She doesnt seem credible. I cant say if shes telling the truth or not, I wasnt there. But her background and her story raise real questions.
She seems to be a schemer, always working an angle. Her life seems to hop from controversy to controversy.
That doesnt mean shes lying, but it doesnt help her credibility.
Neither does the way she told her story.
She claims that after dinner and drinks, Herman Cain drove her someplace and then put his hand on her thigh and attempted to slide it up her dress, and that he tried to push her head toward his lap.
Maybe those things happened. Like I said, I wasnt there. He says no, she says yes.But it strikes me as odd that those things would happen in a vacuum.
Typically, I think the hand up the dress comes after a fair amount of kissing and boob squeezing. There is an order of escalation to these things, as I understand, and I think human experience shows theres a fair amount of logic in that first base-second base-third base-home plate progression we heard about when we were young.
Further, I think the push-the-head-toward-the-lap thing makes more sense when one or both people are in some stage of at least partial undress.
Dont make me get graphic.
But the notion that this guy tries to get somewhere with this girl and his play is to immediately go gyno or try to physically suggest some intimate act, Im not sure that is the most likely course of events. Perhaps. But more commonly, I believe there is an escalating pattern of seduction and arousal. Physical contact between two people tends to build, and liberties are built upon other liberties.Maybe a guy would just get grabby like that, but experience would seem to teach him that hes not going to get anywhere that way.
I dont want to be crude or inappropriate, but in the context of two folks together alone in a car, and one of those folks is hoping to get something sexual from the other, there probably are some typical patterns of events.
The events described by Herman Cains accuser do not fit those patterns. Quite possibly, shes leaving out part of the story that they were making out and were engaged in some level of physical intimacy or shes lying. The first would indicate that she was a willing participant, to a point, and only objected when that point was about to be passed which is a normal human interaction, not an act of sexual harassment.
Or shes lying.
Which is, to my way of thinking, more likely.
Personally, I believe Herman Cain.
His sense of moral indignation seems real. The passion of his denunciation of these claims strikes me as genuine.
I believe him.
I know that is subjective, and others might feel otherwise, but I believe him.
And I support him.
And I hope I get the chance to vote for him.
And I hope that we are smart enough not to let this media circus derail us or destroy him. I hope we can recognize an ambush when we see it. I hope we can be smart enough not to be manipulated by politicians who are afraid of this mans ideas.
If they want to fight Herman Cain, let them do so. But let them do it fair and square.
And dont let them hide behind women.
And their unlikely claims.
I am also supporting Mr. Cain all the way.
“Herman Cain isnt really the victim here. We are.”
Right on. The struggle we’re engaged in today is between the government of the United States and the people of the United States.
When a candidate rises up and represents the peoples’ wishes, he draws heavy fire from both Democrats and Republicans. He’s a threat to their good-ol’-boy club that is suffocating us.
born December 13, 1945 in Memphis, TN (Meets the Jus Soli Requirement)
Luther Cain Jr., born March 16, 1925 in TN, died March 29, 1982 in Atlanta, GA
Lenora Davis, born July 27, 1925 in GA, died August 20, 2005 in Atlanta, GA
Both parents were US Citizens at the time of his birth (Meets the Jus Sanguinis Requirement)
Herman Cain is a NATURAL BORN CITIZEN
Barry Soetoro aka Barack Hussein Obama ISN'T!
Click on the cane, (Go Cain.)
I’m on board as well. This is a good man.
so we either go with Cain who is almost certainly innocent of these frivolous charges, or we have only Newt left ... who is on his third wife after cheating on the other two and even delivered divorce papers to the first while she was in the hospital for cancer. It doesn't really make a lot of sense to me to dump one man for unproved allegations, and choose as an alternative a man with a well documented and proven record of infidelity. I would love Newt to be part of the Cain administration, and I think Cain/Newt would be a winning ticket, but I think Cain has to be at the top of that ticket.
There are plenty of reasons in Cain’s platform and record to not support him, but the media (LMSM) will not examine and criticize his policies, so they have chosen to focus on a sex scandal instead.
They’re just solidifying my support for him.
The elites want to take away choice away from the voters. If Cain is a flawed candidate, let the voters make that judgment - not the media and certainly not the GOP Establishment. Voters can make up their minds for themselves if they like Cain and his political program.
Well said. I too stand with Herman. I am not going to let the media railroad my candidate just so we can get another McShame
A lot of people do. A lot of people also don't believe the two-dollar trollop.
So...in your mind there are only the two choices?
Could not agree more. This is classic Obama machine destruction. See: http://www.teapartytribune.com/2011/11/09/kaushaar-cain-accuser-wants-another-payout/
Very well said. I agree.
This is a fight for our freedom to pick our own candidate basically. I just hope people wake up in time .
It ticks me off too that the news won’t cover the PRO Cain character witnesses, there are 100s of people coming forward who know Cain and testify he is not like this, including some folks on FR. Here are just a few:
National Restaurant Association chairman during Cains tenure: Its a hatchet jobhttp://dailycaller.com/2011/11/03/national-restaurant-association-chairman-during-cain%e2%80%99s-tenure-its-a-hatchet-job/#ixzz1cgsqrOLy
Cains Former Secretary: This Is Not the Herman Cain I Know
Karol Markowicz (2004 Campaign Staffer)
Why this guys no sexual harasser
This will have to go down as and most heinous and malicious act in a LONG history of heinous and malicious acts in American journalism... because the whole circus of accusations and innuendo would still be on the drawing board if the MSM was not eagerly and actively complicit in publicizing these accusations, with or without proper verification.
At this point I personally do not give a F$#@ IF Cain did anything or not ... I don't care WHAT Cain did to who or when.... PERIOD!!! I am done with this BS!!
THEIR allegations are SO disgraceful and Cain's defense of his own character is SO sterling that I am EVEN MORE assured in my support of Cain NOW than ever before AND I look forward to voting for him as President!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Can anyone find a similar picture of Obama and Michele or Bill and Hill showing such natural, easy, and good natured affection? I doubt it.
Me too. I don’t believe these Anita Hill Clones ONE BIT.
I intend to FIGHT them with ANOTHER Contribution to Hermann Cain.
Considering his comments on Muslims initially, and other posts here on Grover Norquist, I think this whole conspiracy against him bears a closer look at those generating it and their motivations to get a pro-Muslim nominated on the GOP ticket.
Karen Kraushaar raises some questions too:
Cain accuser filed complaint in next job
Great pic, but did you know his wife is a Democrat? That was a bit troubling.
Even if they are “useful idiots” or just simply deluded by the promises of the communist left,
I still so despise liberals, their tactics, and their “by any means necessary” approach to enslaving the rest of us
that I’m not willing to give them a pass for being ignorant about the cause they are supporting.
And then there are those who KNOW what they are doing.
The commies require a violent revolution to implement their system. Here’s to praying they get slapped back so hard they don’t consider trying it again for a LONG time.
The DEMOCRAT POLITICAL MACHINE and the DEMOCRAT PROPAGANDA MACHINE (the MSM) will launch another BLITZKRIEG against Cain or anyone else who seriously challenges them. If they cannot find a credible or reliable excuse, they'll invent one. Do not underestimate these people.
That's it in three words!
No telling how many bought and paid for trolls they plan on trotting out. Heck, the trolls will probably go on a Holiday Tour...but, we know what's really going on...it's a distraction from the left's ongoing plan of destroying America.
And, for Bamster's/Prog plan to succeed, they must bring down Cain. They tell you who they fear.
“The commies require a violent revolution to implement their system. Heres to praying they get slapped back so hard they dont consider trying it again for a LONG time.”
I think they’re taking over with gradualism, but, yes, they seem to be itching for a street-fighting showdown, too.
Yeah, lets look at the two women that aren’t anonymous:
Sharon Bialek - Sued another CEO for paternity and may have possibly married and annulled her marriage in order to sue him again for paternity. It looks like she lost. She went bankrupt twice in 10 years. She lived in a very affluent apartment with no means of income. Her current boyfriend is broke and yet they’re taking silk-shirted vacations to Venice. Brett Ashley and Mike Campbell.
Karen Krauhaas - She’s a complaint machine. She complained about emails that should be complained about for lack of humor rather than discrimination. She called Cain a “monster,” even though almost everyone that works for him will vouch for him.
Two other anonymous women? Who cares.
LOL! Man, you can just see the wheels turning and the dollar signs flashing in that image.
Someone out there, maybe Obama, maybe Romney, maybe even Perry, is very very afraid of Herman Cain’s candicacy, and they are pulling out all the stops in an attempt to discredit him. I am with Cain..... don’t buy into all this crap that is being circulated.
Well said, thank you.
I would say so, and I have been a vocal critic of Newt for years. I have real problems with Newt, but the other candidates I would have supported have faded badly.
In seeking the truth I ponder over and over, why did these women wait until now to make these public accusations? Cain ran for office several years ago, didn’t he? Why not then? My conclusion: this time around the financial temptation is irresistable.
“even delivered divorce papers to the first while she was in the hospital for cancer.”
Absolutely NOT TRUE.
heard a little jingle today, sung to the tune of 10 little indians.... 1 little, 2 little, 3 herman cain accusers, 4 little, 5 little, 6 herman cain accusers, 7 little, 8 little, 9 herman cain accusers, hermans been a bad boy....
and the radio hosts just started ripping on the people performing this obvious sham of a hit job..... Now, we need every single freeper gal to send an email to the hillary, romney and fubo campaigns, accusing herman of sexual harassment... not 10, not 100, not 1000, but tens of thousands of complaints.....and don’t forget to copy the msm..
Update to my own post.
Why did the ladies go public now? Now, a couple of minutes after the earlier post, I’ve got a new idea:
The women are totally lying, and they’ve simply been paid to make these accusations. They are mercenaries in the war to destroy Cain’s candidacy.
I can’t remember the details it’s been a lot of years, maybe he came to see to and only wanted to talk about the divorce. I am sure the details are on the net somewhere.
To the left, ANY means necessary are justified in achieving their goals.
If communists will willingly slaughter a majority of the population, or completely eliminate certain segments of the population, a little character assassination isn’t inconceivable.
Ignorance is bliss;)
The mind boggles how so many(supposedly) educated FReepers don’t read the countless threads/posts that have refuted that slander about Newt’s first wife and their daughter’s clarification.
Here goes - one more time - First wife asked for the divorce. She was in the hospital for a benign tumor - Newt brought the 2 daughters to see her and she asked him about the divorce papers. She is still alive!!!!!
If Cain is innocent of these charges, and so far I think he is, then the Media is treasonist, and the country is too stupid to see through it, the nation is lost, the media is nothing more than state run media. I’m coming close to hating my own country.
I’m not a Newt fan but the “divorce papers served in the hospital” story has been debunked several times.....the latest in the last week or so.
Newt’s baggage, IMO, isn’t as big as his stand for GW, his attack on Paul Ryan’s healthcare re-do plan, and in the Scuzzafava race.
But, I could support him.
DITTOS. . . . .
I also didn't consult a 13 year old kid for advice. I came to my own conclusion. All By Myself. . . . .
I don’t believe a word of these allegations but if it keeps up its definitely going to hurt Herman’s standings. I am just hoping they don’t have any other women coming forward.
only some of the details like him carrying a yellow pad and her dying of cancer are sometimes embellished.
This is what bothers me the most - Yes, I’m a Perry supporter so I’ll get that out of the way right off - but what bothers me the most is not the allegations at all.
Mr. Cain said himself that when he ran for office (senate?) in 2004, he briefed Curt Anderson, who worked for him at the time, about any things that might pop up on the campaign. Cain later used this event as the reason he was blaming the Perry camp for this coming out now.
Okay, if he knew then - why did he not prepare for that again now - ESPECIALLY running for president? Did he not think this would come out? He acted like he was surprised by the attacks - but he knew this was out there. Why did he not just deal with the issue up front, before it was brought out this way? That would have ended all of this - the failure to do this has possibly cost him the campaign.
But this is what bother me most of all; let’s say that this hadn’t come out at this time & Herman Cain became our nominee. We all rally behind him and it’s next October - one month before the big election - and this comes out as the “October Surprise”....we would most likely lose the election and Obama win again. This could very well have handed the election to Obama.
I say it’s the best thing that it comes out now, it’s too bad that Cain has handled it poorly - that shows me he is not too experienced in the way of politics - some see that as a plus, but this experience shows that it can be lethal too. This is what bothers me the most, that his inexperience could very well have cost us the whole election.
I too, stand with Cain.
To me, none of this matters one witt in either of their cases, but I was just pointing out the irony of anyone who would jump off the Cain train onto the Newt one because Cain doesn't meet their moral standard in regard to marriage.
I agree. Funny how the MSM doesn't mention the "TRUE" story. They are too busy pouring gasoline on Herman.
If it came down to Newt & Romney I could support Newt. I was in his congressional district in Atlanta. He did us proud. He would offer a high position to Herman, they are good friends, both have substituted for Neal Boortz radio show when Neal was out.