Posted on 11/09/2011 8:46:04 AM PST by MBT ARJUN
NEW DELHI: Having weighed in on the Pakistani side during the 1971 war, the Americans refused to relent on their anti-India stance, aggressively snooping on Indian Navy ships and submarines, declassified government files show. The scale of these hostilities, thus far unknown, could have jeopardized the sensitive security scenario.
Aggressive surveillance sorties from America's newly-acquired Indian Ocean base of Diego Garcia kept getting more and more frequent and hostile through the seventies and the declassified files give instances of US military planes provoking Indian vessels. On November 21, 1975, defence secretary D R Kohli wrote to foreign secretary Kewal Singh: "In the recent past there have been several incidents of snooping/buzzing by US Orions (MR/ASW aircraft) over our naval ships." He listed incidents in 1974-75 that the Navy perceived serious.
The note listed specific instances when US surveillance planes flew very close, trailing Indian Navy vessels. In one incident, "an aircraft orbited at a very low altitude of 200 feet for about 10-15 minutes as the submarines surfaced on completion of sonobuoy trials (sonar system dropped/ejected from aircraft or ships during anti-submarine operations). On being closed by Alize (naval aircraft) the US planes sped away..." The defence secretary notes: "This snooping seems to be serious."
Aircraft carrier INS Vikrant reported on July 15, 1975 that it was shadowed on a "passage from Bombay to Madras". INS Delhi reported at least three incidents of US snooping. In the first instance, a US Orion made "two runs over the ship at 150 feet" and flew off, Kohli said. Similar incidents were reported by INS Mysore, INS Magar and other ships.
The defence secretary wrote: "It is assessed that US Orion aircraft are operating from Diego Garcia" and are "subjecting our naval activities to surveillance, even up to Bombay". In some earlier cases, US planes operating from bases in Thailand had carried out such activities, he said.
Foreign secretary Kewal Singh wrote on November 11, 1975: "If unfortunately, news of such incidents becomes public, it can lead to controversy and difficulties..." On the foreign secretary's note, foreign minister Yashwantrao Chavan wrote: "We must certainly take up the matter with the (US) embassy...This is the first glimpse of their use of Diego Garcia."
T S Teja, joint secretary (Americas), subsequently summoned US deputy chief of mission David Schneider on December 3 and lodged a strong protest.
To be fair, at that time India was more or less in the Soviet camp.
If someone is not an ally, I would rather know what they are up to, vs. possibly being surprised later.
And US is ??I mean you were in Pakistan Camp and supporting them materialistic way ,this is an open secret to India ... Even today too US trying to balance regional power balance with India.
There are no permanent allies or enemies, only permanent interests.
It’s beacuse in the 50s,60s, and 70s India was part of the Pro-Soviet “Non-Aligned” Movement(due to India’s experience being a British colony) and Patistan was out “allay” against the USSR. So naturally we would base our “snooping” in Pakistan. Now Pakistan is marginally our “allay” and India has become friendly.
US is its own camp. But that was then, this is now.
All now is sweetness and light, birds chirp agreeably and
God rays filter down through the clouds.
The US drove India to the Soviet camp.
Ummm not quite. US is still arming Pakistan, while India genuinely wants to be a US ally. Should the situation between India and US change, you know again who is responsible.
Regretably, Indira Ghandi turned toward the Soviet Union, and India continued to work with the Soviet Union for decades. At that time, the Soviet Union, not Islam, was the free world’s and America’s worst enemy.
The U.S. turned to Pakistan as a result of India’s eager cooperation with the Soviet Communists. India was invaluable to the Soviet Union in leading the Third World into their propaganda camp.
Ironic, since the U.S. actually was never really a colonial power, as India said they were. Yes, they occasionally took over third world countries, but mainly to free them from Communist rule, and never for long. Mistakes were occasionally made, but the US was the only major Western industrial power that did NOT seek to be a colonial power.
India would have been a natural ally for the U.S., far more so than Pakistan. But it was India that chose otherwise. In recent years that has been changing, and hopefully it will continue to change—although small thanks to the postcolonial theorists in academia who continue to fan the flames of the old Communist propaganda.
Not to forget providing naval ships and AMRAAM for throw away price to shoot down Taliban mighty Naval force and Flying carpets .
So. The more snooping the better out intel.
Sir!!We Indians always carry our history with us.Here’s Indo-Soviets treaty all about and how it started-
India’s relation to the Soviet Union initially after the former’s independence was ambivalent, guided by Nehru’s decision to remain non-aligned, and his government’s active part in the Commonwealth of Nations. However, in February 1954, the U.S. administration of President Dwight D. Eisenhower announced the decision to provide arms to Pakistan, followed a month later by Pakistan joining the SEATO and subsequently the CENTO. These agreements assured Pakistan the supply of sophisticated military hardware and economic aid.[4]
The developing situation alarmed New Delhi, which had uncomfortable relations with Pakistan. Since Pakistan also bordered the Soviet Union, it also provided Moscow with the necessity as well as the opportunity to develop its relations with New Delhi. India’s status as a leader of the Non-aligned Movement would also allow the USSR to bolster Soviet policy in the Third World. India and the USSR therefore pursued similar policies based on common security threat born out of the US interests in Pakistan. It was in this context that India and Soviet Union exchanged military Attaches.[4] Although Indo-Soviet cooperation had begun, the investment of soviet-military aid to India only begun in the context of deteriorating Sino-Soviet and Sino-Indian relations. Following the 1962 Sino-Indian war, the Sino-Pakistani axis was also an impetus for growing cooperation between India and the Soviet Union.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Soviet_Treaty_of_Friendship_and_Cooperation
we have legitimate buisness keeping Pakistan on
task suppressing their internal rebellion in the
NW Frontier Province/Waziristan/Tribal Areas.
Its in India’s interest that Pakistan keeps non state
players from using their territory as a launch pad for
terrorist activity.
So duking them some Cobras serves our interest. I would
not favor selling them MBT or top of the line jets.
I think they are gettinng those from China.
We aren’t giving them anything that threatens India.
Pakistan is our “ally” kinda like a paid Snitch Informant is when working with Law Enforcement.
Pakistan is our “ally” kinda like a paid Snitch Informant is when working with Law Enforcement.
And what part of that “legitimate business” involves arming Pakistan (a terrorist state that created Taliban) with weapons that are only going to be used against India?
Its in India's interest that Pakistan keeps non state players from using their territory as a launch pad for terrorist activity.
Quite the contrary India's concern IS THE STATE ACTORS actively funding and training and allowing their territory to be used by the terrorists.Its quite funny that America is arming Pakistan and telling India what should or shouldn't be in her interest.
We aren't giving them anything that threatens India.
We both know very well that's BS. The Block 52 F-16 with AMRAAMS, Perry class frigates, Pc-3 Orions, harpoon missiles, and Cobra helos. NONE of the above have been or will be used against the Taliban. Pakistan has hardly every used anything more then the infantry to fight Taliban and right now they have halted all operations against the Taliban. Numerous times India has tried to raise the concern of US weapon sale to Pakistan with the American administration and each time the concerns have been disregarded. US is arming them only and only against India. Period. If things should sour up again in future between Indian and US, very likely it will be over this issue. And you know which side is responsible. No point trying to lay it on India again.
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