Rossi E-Cat Sales Web Site Goes Live

http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/ ^ | 11/11/2011 | Self

[Johnny B.]

E-Cat Technology by Andrea Rossi of Leonardo Corporation

[Wonder Warthog]

"In Kevmos’s words, all the demos were non-scientific and crappy."

In this case, I disagree with Kevmo. The first three were quite well done, and sufficient for proof.

[dinodino]

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[Johnny B.]

Apparently, Rossi isn't happy with his new web site:

http://ecatnews.com/?p=1304

Stirling D. Allan is now claiming editorial control of the web site:

http://www.leonardo-ecat.com/fp/

NOTICE: November 13, 2011; 12:30 pm MST
Andrea Rossi has removed his "official" designation from this site. The content herein should be considered under the editorial control of Sterling D. Allan of PES Network, Inc. and not approved by Andrea Rossi. See http://ecatnews.com for chronicle (independent site).

(Kevmo tagged so he could pass this on to the ping list if he wishes.)

[dinodino]

Hey, check it out: Rossi is STILL proudly advertising his fraudulent engineering education:

“Later, he continued his formal education by obtaining a chemical engineering degree from the University of Kensington.”

I guess Rossi is to the part of the scam where he needs to get the marks’ money.

[Johnny B.]

Hey, check it out: Rossi is STILL proudly advertising his fraudulent engineering education:

Maybe not. He has withdrawn his support of the current version of the web site. See my post immediately above yours (and about 3 seconds earlier, heh!)

I think we should give him the benefit of the doubt here. Stirling D. Allan ("The Most Gullible Man In The World!"(tm)) may have added all sorts of goofy stuff, like his coverage of many perpetual motion scams, or his story about President Obama being transported to Mars.

[count-your-change]

In academia, “If you can’t do it, fake it!”

[Johnny B.]

After this mixup between Rossi and Stirling D. Allan, we have to question whether the National Instruments story is valid.

After all, the only source we have for that story is Stirling D. Allan. I'm not aware of any second source, and in particular, I'm not aware of any actual confirmation traceable back to National Instruments.

[Johnny B.]

This also raises questions about Rossi’s choice to rely on someone who is so gullible. Allan has a long history of shilling for scam artists, and Rossi’s association with him just adds to the question of Rossi’s legitimacy.

[aNYCguy]

Follow these threads and you will see amazing things. People believe that Rossi is about to revolutionize human civilization.

[Johnny B.]

Cautionary Statement for Purposes of the “Safe Harbor” Provisions of the U.S. Private Securities Litigation Reform Act of 1995

Yup. Weasel words to protect him from criminal liability when he fails to deliver working devices.

Rossi had a previous experience with claiming to be able to produce "revolutionary new devices" that supposedly produced far more energy than any existing technology. Unfortunately, his factory burned down, which both justified his lack of any working devices, as well as preventing anyone from examining his work.

Hopefully his new factory (wherever it may be) doesn't suffer the same fate.

[count-your-change]

I have yet to hear how the spent “fuel” of the e-cat could contain about 11% iron unless this was part of the secret “catalyst”.

And secondly, what role his “signal generator” performs unless it is just a microwave generator heating the metal powder.

[Kevmo]

Certain seagulls like to put words in my mouth. I have said that Rossi sucks at giving demos. But there easily could be a method to his madness. For instance, when the time comes to demo to the customer, he showed enough for them to cart the device away and pay money for it.

So basically, Rossi sucks at giving scientific demos and probably has disdain for most of his critics in the scientific community. From what I have seen of how science has proceeded in the field of LENR, I share much of his disdain.

[dinodino]

Didn’t Rossi’s test of the 1 MW “reactor” eliminate the signal generator?

This is a complete and utter scam. Also, I don’t buy for a minute the idea that Sterling Allan (not sure I spelled his name correctly) and Rossi disagree over the site. Rather, I think that Rossi is vigorously claiming not to have approved its content, while allowing it to remain live. This would give the fruitcakes whom believe Rossi’s invention works some more fuel for their fires, while ensuring plausible deniability for Rossi himself.

[Johnny B.]

I have yet to hear how the spent “fuel” of the e-cat could contain about 11% iron unless this was part of the secret “catalyst”.

That's because it's MAGIC!!!

Seriously, Rossi claimed at one point that he was getting "unnatural" isotope ratios out of his E-Cat, but it has been reported (in one of the Rossi-supporting web sites) that the Swedish analysis stated that only natural isotope rations existed in the spent fuel.

This is one case where we have a testable set of statements. Artificial isotopes are very expensive, and it is questionable that a con artist would go to the trouble of acquiring some just to "salt" his sample. (It would also put Rossi at risk of exposing his fraud, if a supplier of such isotopes were to report that he was buying just those isotopes that later showed up in his sample.)

Rossi apparently has a legitimate analysis of his spent "fuel". All he has to do is authorize the lab to release the test results. The fact that he won't do so is yet another fact that seems strange if he's legit, but makes complete sense if he's a fraud.

[Johnny B.]

Didn’t Rossi’s test of the 1 MW “reactor” eliminate the signal generator?

Yes, I noticed that too. Isn't it interesting that it was needed for each of the dog & pony shows where outsiders were able to make at least some observations, but wasn't needed when only insiders were allowed anywhere near the device?

Horace Heffner, on the Vortex mailing list, has been doing some modeling that shows a hidden valve to redirect water to or away from a hot core could produce the results that were observed in almost all of the tests. Such a valve could have been controlled (and even powered, if necessary) by such a "frequency generator".

It may be that he only needs such things when he has to fool people. When everyone actually working on the device is in on the scam, it's not needed.

And, as I pointed out earlier, after several weeks, I haven't seen any evidence at all that the "NATO Colonel" who Rossi claimed represented his "secret customer", existed prior to the day of the test.

[Johnny B.]

Jumping to conclusions again, I see. He could be a "vendor" (selling services), or simply have donated the effort because he thinks the e-Cat is real.

Given Allan's long history of believing every scam he's ever met, it wouldn't surprise me in the least that he believes Rossi. If anything, that makes Rossi less believable.

Whether Allan was Rossi's partner, he was certainly Rossi's shill. Here's the text Allan posts at the bottom of his Rossi "articles":

What You Can Do

1. Pass this on to your friends and favorite news sources.
2. Join the H-Ni_Fusion technical discussion group to explore the details of the technology.
3. Once available, purchase a unit and/or encourage others who are able, to do so.
4. Let professionals in the renewable energy sector know about the promise of this technology.
5. Subscribe to our newsletter to stay abreast of the latest, greatest developments in the free energy sector.
6. Consider investing in Rossi's group once they open to that in October.
7. Help us manage the PESWiki feature page on Rossi's technology.

In other words, help him stir up the hype, and send money.

And let's keep in mind that the only bit of "legitimate" news (that National Instruments is selling controllers to Rossi) is based solely on Stirling Allan's statement to the fact. As far as I know, N.I. has not actually released any sort of press release.

[Johnny B.]

Certain seagulls like to put words in my mouth. I have said that Rossi sucks at giving demos. But there easily could be a method to his madness. For instance, when the time comes to demo to the customer, he showed enough for them to cart the device away and pay money for it.

Have you finally found some actual evidence of this? Or are you still relying totally on Rossi's unsubstantiated claim that this happened.

[count-your-change]

Rossi has said the “fuel” was doped with Ni-62 and Ni-64, neither difficult to obtain but no fusion process taking place there is going to produce iron. I can only assume it's part of his “catalyst”.

Very curious.

[palmer]

Can I sell you a poster-sized full color glossy of a concept image? (it comes with an instruction manual and thumbtacks)

[Wonder Warthog]

"And let's keep in mind that the only bit of "legitimate" news (that National Instruments is selling controllers to Rossi) is based solely on Stirling Allan's statement to the fact. As far as I know, N.I. has not actually released any sort of press release."

About as accurate as everything else you've posted (which is to say....not at all). David Passerini also "broke" that news.

But you're too busy pursuing "Randian" blog commentaries to check primary sources.....again as usual.