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Lawmaker: Iran's Revolutionary Guard Practicing for An EMP Attack on the United States
The Ottawa Citizen ^ | 12 hours ago | By David Pugliese

Posted on 11/13/2011 10:13:55 AM PST by drewh

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1 posted on 11/13/2011 10:13:57 AM PST by drewh
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To: drewh

EMP attack by Iran = Glass Parking Lot paved in Tehran.


2 posted on 11/13/2011 10:19:12 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: Texas Fossil

you really think the US would actually use nukes on a city, even tehran, on a strike basis? i dont.


3 posted on 11/13/2011 10:24:16 AM PST by beebuster2000
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To: Texas Fossil
EMP attack by Iran = Glass Parking Lot paved in Tehran.

Baraq al Obaba wouldn't do it. He would probably just EMP 'em back -- which means nothing to 12th century savages...

4 posted on 11/13/2011 10:28:00 AM PST by apastron (I miss the good old days - when bankers just jumped out of a window...)
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To: beebuster2000

I think we would use as many buster bunker nukes as possible to get rid of their tunnel systems.


5 posted on 11/13/2011 10:29:19 AM PST by drewh
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To: beebuster2000

you really think the US would actually use nukes on a city, even tehran, on a strike basis? i dont. ..................................... An EMP attack will generate a huge, mega letter of reprimand from our Leader. He’ll teach them.


6 posted on 11/13/2011 10:29:20 AM PST by Bringbackthedraft (Its not who we elect, its those who they appoint that mater most!.)
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To: drewh

Interesting - the article is from an Ottawa paper - I’m sure they must realize that an EMP attack on the US would entail a pulse that doesn’t bother to stop at the 49th parallel.


7 posted on 11/13/2011 10:35:05 AM PST by Stosh
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To: drewh

I think it has been proven, on this site, that an EMP attack isn’t really feasible. To be effecitive it has to be low, and being low makes it’s results limited. A strategic use, over the Pentagon, is another matter.


8 posted on 11/13/2011 10:35:28 AM PST by TwoSwords
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To: beebuster2000
you really think the US would actually use nukes on a city, even tehran, on a strike basis? i dont.

Sanction them to death. /s

9 posted on 11/13/2011 10:35:44 AM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Stosh

Isn’t this training (if true) an act of war?


10 posted on 11/13/2011 10:38:10 AM PST by drewh
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To: beebuster2000

I guess I should have been more precise. No I doubt Obozo would nuke anyone. He even wants to destroy our nuke capacity.

He probably would hit the facility where they make the components. He might even do a targeted hit on the leadership, but I doubt that, they are Muzzies like him.

Sadly, you are probably right.

Under another administration, a glass parking lot might be an option. Not in Tehran, there are too many good Persians who hate the Mullahs as bad as I do.

Obozo might do a “Wag the Dog” because of how bad his polling is right now.


11 posted on 11/13/2011 10:39:14 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: TwoSwords

Sea (sub) launched EMP strike on a coastal city is possible.


12 posted on 11/13/2011 10:43:01 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: drewh

EMP is not that successful a weapon. You’d have to detonate a fairly high power bomb hundreds of kilometers above the surface to cover the continent. If you have that powerful a bomb, you might as well drop it on New York or Washington. The Air Force and Navy know how to secure gear against EMP, and we’d have lots of warning.


13 posted on 11/13/2011 10:43:54 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Texas Fossil
An EMP at the correct altitude detroys most of the CONUS infrastructure, including electrical generation, electrical transmission, all modern vehicles, as well as burning out everything connected to the grid. The fires caused by that alone will cripple us. A lot of military hardware is EMP hardened but not all of it.

People that don't take EMPs seriously don't know enough about them.

14 posted on 11/13/2011 10:44:36 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Bringbackthedraft

And a non-nuke EMP weapon is something that is being contemplated. Not a know proven option, but possible.


15 posted on 11/13/2011 10:44:58 AM PST by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: drewh

Training is never an act of war.


16 posted on 11/13/2011 10:45:06 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Durus

I do. In an all-out EMP we go from 2011 to 1863 in a heartbeat.


17 posted on 11/13/2011 10:46:55 AM PST by jmacusa (Political correctness is cultural Marxism. I'm not a Marxist.)
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To: beebuster2000

“you really think the US would actually use nukes on a city, even tehran, on a strike basis? i dont.”

Nor do I. The United States Caliph in Chief has already ruled out even a retaliatory strike, thus inviting such an attack. In that event, he may go the way of Caligula though, who was murdered by his own Praetorian Guard. Not that it will help us much though, as we sit in the dark boiling rat bones for stock.


18 posted on 11/13/2011 10:49:15 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: drewh

No.


19 posted on 11/13/2011 10:50:56 AM PST by Psalm 144 (Voodoo Republicans: Don't read their lips - watch their hands.)
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To: GAB-1955

What other purposes would a small naval vessel firing an EMP blast at the US coastline have?


20 posted on 11/13/2011 10:57:52 AM PST by drewh
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To: TwoSwords
I think it has been proven, on this site, that an EMP attack isn’t really feasible.

Link(s)?

21 posted on 11/13/2011 10:58:19 AM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: drewh

A small naval vessel can’t carry a missile big enough. Something like a Standard Missile doesn’t fly high enough. You need an IRBM at least, and there aren’t many ships that can carry them.

I won’t get into details, but there aren’t many merchant vessels that can carry them, and we know where they are all. If you’re idling off the coast to erect a missile, you will be found.


22 posted on 11/13/2011 11:04:07 AM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: Durus
People that don't take EMPs seriously don't know enough about them.

And people who don't know enough about EMPs (that's at least 75% of the population) should read this very believable fiction book, "One Second After."

You'll think twice the next time you go to the grocery store.

23 posted on 11/13/2011 11:04:36 AM PST by upchuck (Rerun: Think you know hardship? Wait till the dollar is no longer the world's reserve currency.)
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To: Durus

How many people would die in the ensuing chaos after an EMP attack? Lots. Law and order would break down. No telling how even solid citizens would behave once they (or their kids) got hungry. And it would take years for our infrastructure to recover. Wouldn’t surprise me if we lost greater than 20% of our population even without nukes.


24 posted on 11/13/2011 11:10:18 AM PST by rbg81
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To: rbg81
Its the "nine meal rule". Could be three days, could be five. But most of America does not have more than nine meals, following that scraps and finally looting and scavenging.
Want to reduce the time to start social decline early? Cut power.

To be honest, I'm not so worried about the cold where I live (it will suck, but we can survive). What I worry about is no power and trying to keep food safe in the summer.

25 posted on 11/13/2011 11:18:30 AM PST by Michael Barnes (Obamaa+ Downgrade)
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To: drewh

Zer0 would NEVER allow Iran to EMP us - he would rather we devolve into a Marxist state than let it happen.


26 posted on 11/13/2011 11:24:16 AM PST by C210N (zer0 - a Marxonist spreading the flames of obamunism wherever he goes.)
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To: upchuck

I preferred “Lights Out” as has more useful information but “One Second Afer” isn’t bad.


27 posted on 11/13/2011 11:26:16 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: drewh
what are they gonna do... launch it from a ship???
28 posted on 11/13/2011 11:30:19 AM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: TwoSwords

It hasn’t been disproven at all. In order for an EMP to be effective it has to be very high altitude not low altitude. It’s the cascade effect that make it so powerful. Think of it as an electric avalanche via Compton Scattering.


29 posted on 11/13/2011 11:36:12 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Chode
Have the Chinese launch it as a weather satellite.
30 posted on 11/13/2011 11:38:36 AM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: upchuck

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2785610/posts


31 posted on 11/13/2011 11:43:06 AM PST by TwoSwords
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To: Texas Fossil

Something would have to go.

Within minutes of an attack like that, we would have x-ray and gamma ray spectrography on the device.

We would know who built it, where it was built, and probably when.

They wouldn’t be building any more after that, that’s fer sure...


32 posted on 11/13/2011 11:49:23 AM PST by djf (http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2801220/posts)
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To: Durus
and traceable directly back to them???
33 posted on 11/13/2011 12:04:31 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Durus

I think if it was possible it would’ve been used by now.


34 posted on 11/13/2011 12:05:26 PM PST by TwoSwords
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To: beebuster2000

>>>you really think the US would actually use nukes on a city, even tehran, on a strike basis? i dont.<<<

I’m with you, at least with the current bunch running things. I really think the American side would apologize to Iran, declare martial law, and get about with the business of redistributing things for the recreated country. At least they would try.... and that would have unpredictable consequences.


35 posted on 11/13/2011 12:15:25 PM PST by redpoll
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To: GAB-1955
EMP is not that successful a weapon. You’d have to detonate a fairly high power bomb hundreds of kilometers above the surface to cover the continent. If you have that powerful a bomb, you might as well drop it on New York or Washington. The Air Force and Navy know how to secure gear against EMP, and we’d have lots of warning.

Please reconsider.

As I wrote on this thread:

Try this and the links therein.

From this thread.

Cheers!

and

Read this and associated links.

All you need is a small fission device: it is the gamma ray flux which causes Compton scattering (electrons knocked out of the atoms / molecules in the upper atmosphere) which travel at relativistic speeds, and interact with the Earth's magnetic field.

The design of the bomb, and the casing, can enhance the proportion of the weapon's energy which is released as gamma radiation: and by designing the case properly one can focus the gamma rays "downward" to the ground.

A fission weapon, according to these sources, will still be quite a good source of EMP: it is not directly a function of notional yield.

Cheers!

36 posted on 11/13/2011 12:16:20 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Texas Fossil
EMP attack by Iran = Glass Parking Lot paved in Tehran

Correction: EMP attack by Iran = two page stern warning letter from the UN instead of the usual one page warning letter.

37 posted on 11/13/2011 12:19:24 PM PST by Cementjungle
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To: drewh

Obama wouldn’t nuke his muslim brothers.


38 posted on 11/13/2011 12:41:52 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: rbg81

We’d lose half our population, at least.

People don’t know how to take care of themselves. They don’t learn anyhting useful or plan ahead. They’ll start killing each other for a can of creamed corn.

Do it in winter and at least half are dead by summer.


39 posted on 11/13/2011 12:46:29 PM PST by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: drewh
Iran Placing Medium-Range Missiles in Venezuela; Can Reach the U.S. (12/09/10)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2640111/posts

‘Die Welt’: Iran building rocket bases in Venezuela (17 May 2011)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2721122/posts


40 posted on 11/13/2011 12:53:19 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: Secret Agent Man

Heaven help most city dwellers once the Eat Better Today (EBT) cards stop working.


41 posted on 11/13/2011 12:57:05 PM PST by rbg81
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To: neutronsgalore

EMP ping


42 posted on 11/13/2011 12:57:48 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (Pat Buchanan, kryptonite to RINO's)
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To: upchuck
People that don't take EMPs seriously don't know enough about them. And people who don't know enough about EMPs (that's at least 75% of the population) should read this very believable fiction book, "One Second After." You'll think twice the next time you go to the grocery store.

Forward by none other than Newt Gingrich. The afterward is even more frightening. It should be a "must read" by anyone and everyone.
43 posted on 11/13/2011 12:58:23 PM PST by rickomatic
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To: Durus

You are correct. My fiancee’s nephew works in high level consulting position for the Army and NASA. He told us their number one fear is an EMP. They are terrified of it.


44 posted on 11/13/2011 1:25:22 PM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: GAB-1955; drewh
See comment #40. Also, notice the dates for the following.

Iran readies launch of new satellite
(Iran's second satellite launch, 11/09/2009
http://freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2382720/posts

Russia, N.Korea, China give Iran missile aid -CIA
09/08/01
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/fr/519198/posts

Iran military engineers on hand for N. Korea missile launch
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1664760/posts
(7/12/06)

10 Iranian Missile Engineers Visited N. Korea:Sankei reports(check on NK’s Chinese equipments)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1658850/posts
(07/01/06)

S. Korea, U.S. verifying reports on test of new N.K. missile in Iran: source
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1834307/posts
(4,000 kilometer range—will reach the Vatican—May 16th, 2007)

US confirms Iran launch of first home-built satellite
afp ^ | 2-03-09 | staff
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/2177582/posts

Iran Satellite Launch Heightens Missile Development Concerns

By Donna Miles
American Forces Press Service
WASHINGTON, Feb. 3, 2009
http://www.defense.gov/news/newsarticle.aspx?id=52939

Iran hails successful launch of satellite rocket
Posted on Wed 03 Feb 2010 02:51:50 AM MST
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2443266/posts

45 posted on 11/13/2011 1:27:31 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: drewh
http://www.globalsecurity.org/wmd/library/report/1984/ERD.htm
EMP
Submitted To
Mr. Wiggins
In Partial Fulfillment of Requirements
for Written Communications
The Marine Corps Command and Staff College
Quantico, Virginia
Major R. D. Erick
United States Marine Corps
April 6, 1984

Excerpt:
“However, the effects produced by a nuclear explosion were not fully realized until the “Johnston Island Test” in 1962. This nuclear blast had a yield of 1.4 megatons at an altitude of 250 miles. The explosion damaged a number of low earth orbit satellites and caused malfunctions and early failure of others. Another effect that was noted during the blast was a blackout up to 600 miles away of high frequency radio communications that lasted for hours. It was caused by disruption of the ionosphere. It also popped circuit breakers, street lights went out, burglar alarms rang, and power lines went down in Honolulu, about 800 miles away. In Nov. 1962, all above ground testing was halted and our testing and analysis was limited to underground testing, analysis of the existing atmospheric test data, nonnuclear simulation, and theoretical calculations.”

46 posted on 11/13/2011 1:29:53 PM PST by familyop ("Wanna cigarette? You're never too young to start." --Deacon, "Waterworld")
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To: familyop

An EMP 250 miles high over Chicago will take out the electrical grid for the entire USA. Damage to the huge step up and step down transformers could NOT be repaired.

75 to 90% death rate in USA. See 2008 EMP Commission Report to Congress. Chairman Graham personlly estimates a 80% death rate nation wide but almost 100% East of the Mississippi.

Then, from time to time, a few of our coastal cities will be nuked by bad people using the Club K container missile system that launches 4 250 mile cruise missiles from the deck of a ship, a truck or rail car.
www.youtube.com/watch?v=zIgvGpH2smY

Our mentality is like the old west, the bad guy shoots first then the good guy takes him out. But this time Matt Dillon faces cannon so big that it takes him out along with all of Dodge City. The good guys just die. The USA will be history.

See Shieldact.com

Iran’s Space Program is building to put multiple satellites at 250 plus miles above Earth. If they succeed they will take out the USA and Europe in hopes that world conflagration will bring about the coming of the 12th Imam. Meaning, THEY DON’T CARE ABOUT RETALIATION. MUTUAL ASSURED DESTRUCTION DOES NOT WORK WITH RELIGIOUS FANATICS.


47 posted on 11/13/2011 2:00:14 PM PST by Any Fate But Submission
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I don't doubt this, I doubt they'd go that far, but I hope we're prepared.

48 posted on 11/13/2011 3:05:23 PM PST by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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To: familyop

If the missiles are in a fixed land base in Venezuela, we can find them and hit them. I don’t panic about that.


49 posted on 11/13/2011 3:48:53 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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To: grey_whiskers
I have considered it.

Iran doesn't have enough fission bombs to make anything more than a harrassment attack. An EMP is not a killer weapon. It's supposed to be a precursor to other bombs.

50 posted on 11/13/2011 3:54:06 PM PST by GAB-1955 (I write books, serve my country, love my wife and daughter, and believe in the Resurrection.)
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