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Is Newt Gingrich America's Churchill?
The American Spectator ^ | November 15, 2011 | Jeffrey Lord

Posted on 11/15/2011 6:31:37 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative

The thought startles.

Is Newt Gingrich America's Winston Churchill?

The former Speaker has repeatedly dazzled in the ongoing series of GOP presidential debates. He is "the adult in the room," the man Republicans keep saying they would like to see on the debate stage with Barack Obama.

The latest polls (Wall Street Journal, CBS, and Marist) have him vaulting into a tie with Mitt Romney behind Herman Cain or leapfrogging Cain to barely trail Romney. This video of a Frank Luntz focus group that appeared on Sean Hannity's TV show following a recent GOP debate is typical of the changing reaction to the Georgian. Gingrich is a long way from the low single digits he registered at the beginning of the campaign.

But Churchill? America's Churchill?

There are all manner of people -- including some conservatives -- who would faint dead away at the comparison.

They shouldn't.

First, Mr. Churchill.

One of the ironies of history that is that those figures who have morphed from flesh-and-blood reality to marbleized icons always seem to lose their humanity. This is true, in fact, of most people. Great-Aunt Sally whose habits or manner or outrageous behavior here and there proved so infuriating in life becomes the iconic family elder after passing into eternity, her descendants fondly telling Great-Aunt Sally stories and holding her up to the youngest generation as a family role model.

So it is with public figures, and so it was with Winston Churchill.

In his childhood his father thought him a major disappointment, the father himself a star -- an infuriating star -- to his colleagues in British politics.

(Excerpt) Read more at spectator.org ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hermancain; newtgingrich; obama; primary; tas
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1 posted on 11/15/2011 6:31:38 AM PST by St. Louis Conservative
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Needs to be pulled for failure to have a barf alert notice.


2 posted on 11/15/2011 6:34:09 AM PST by Kartographer (".. we mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes, and our sacred honor.")
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To: St. Louis Conservative
"Is Newt Gingrich America's Winston Churchill?"

No, he was not in the Calvary (the horse calvary that is), was never Secretary of the Navy (equivalent of the first Sea Lord) and did not participate in any expeditionary campaigns such as the reconquest of the Sudan and the Boer war.
3 posted on 11/15/2011 6:36:11 AM PST by Old Teufel Hunden
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To: St. Louis Conservative

LOL! Newt is far more Neville Chamberlain than Churchill. Under pressure he folds like origami.


4 posted on 11/15/2011 6:36:15 AM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Winston by his own admission was indifferent to sex.

Newt? Not exactly.

5 posted on 11/15/2011 6:49:15 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

“the man Republicans keep saying they would like to see on the debate stage with Barack Obama.”

Really?

Watch Newt capitulate to John Kerry on the debate stage:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=19dCkabVBbY

Some people seem to have a death wish.


6 posted on 11/15/2011 6:49:50 AM PST by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

No. Churchill was a back bench voice against the number one existential threat to his country for a couple of decades.

Gingrich has been playing footsie with the forces of American national destruction for a couple of decades.


7 posted on 11/15/2011 6:52:03 AM PST by EternalVigilance (The Republican leadership well is so dry they've had to turn to Newt Gingrich. Newt Gingrich! LOL...)
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To: HerrBlucher
+1 on Neville Chamberlain.

I remember him on a couch with Pelosi saying ‘I bring you an end to global warming in our time’. ;)

Churchill was a war hero.

Churchill was a tireless advocate for his nation.

Churchill had a surpassing eloquence.

Newt is/has none of these things.

8 posted on 11/15/2011 6:54:05 AM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Churchill?

Gingrich is definitely a legend in his own mind.


9 posted on 11/15/2011 6:54:18 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Interesting article.

There are indeed significant similarities between the two men, but then there are also big differences.

Similarities:
As the article says, Newt has a real grasp of where we are heading as a society. I first read some of his books back in the 70s (I think) when nobody had heard of him, and was very impressed.

NOBODY is going to successfully pull the old “Palin/Cain/Bush/Perry is an idiot” trick on Newt. Just won’t work, anymore than it would have on Winston. He knows his stuff. Would demolish Obama in debate, as he’s never really been challenged in his entire life.

I agree Newt’s “colorful” private life has been exaggerated, but then Winston had a pretty colorful early life himself. He got assignments to all over the Empire, as the article says, from his mother’s friends, but this is a euphemism. She had about half the British political establishment of the time as lovers, and she pulled their strings for her boy.

Differences:
Winston showed “principles of iron.” I’ve never seen that solid base of principle in Newt. We can hope it’s there.

During the 30s the world was headed for disaster. Winston saw it and warned of it constantly, in stark contrast to the pols of his time who kept kicking the can down the road while the danger grew and got closer.

Over the last 15 to 20 years the world has been equally heading for disaster, this time as an economic debt crisis. I’m not aware of Newt being a lone voice prophesying in the wilderness in opposition. He seems more of a can-kicker in this regard.

But I’ll take him over Romney.


10 posted on 11/15/2011 6:57:47 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I am a Newt fan, but this is ridiculous.


11 posted on 11/15/2011 6:58:11 AM PST by Paradox (The rich SHOULD be paying more taxes, and they WOULD, if they could make more money.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Newt is Clement Atlee.


12 posted on 11/15/2011 6:58:56 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: HerrBlucher

Let’s make sure we post a “hate a conservative” comment every day.

Fools


13 posted on 11/15/2011 6:59:46 AM PST by MindBender26 (Forget AMEX. Remember your Glock 27: Never Leave Home Without It!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative; Kartographer; wmfights; P-Marlowe

I’ve been making this comparison for a few weeks now.

Gingrich is America’s Churchill.

Anyone who knows Churchill’s history of rejection by the Brits, and finally an acceptance of him as the man for that time, knows that the comparison is apt.

This is an outstanding article.

Gingrich is Churchill.

This is a time of crisis, and Gingrich, with all his warts, is the want for this time.

His competition pales in comparison to his ability, experience, and knowledge.


14 posted on 11/15/2011 7:01:39 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative; Kartographer; wmfights; P-Marlowe

I’ve been making this comparison for a few weeks now.

Gingrich is America’s Churchill.

Anyone who knows Churchill’s history of rejection by the Brits, and finally an acceptance of him as the man for that time, knows that the comparison is apt.

This is an outstanding article.

Gingrich is Churchill.

This is a time of crisis, and Gingrich, with all his warts, is the man for this time.

His competition pales in comparison to his ability, experience, and knowledge.


15 posted on 11/15/2011 7:02:09 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

One should read it through (4 web pages) before rolling one’s eyes. In my circles I’m considered an authority on Churchill. I would say this comparison is not easily dismissed. There was iron and clay in Churchill.
Just read it, and it wouldn’t hurt to read up on Churchill either. Numerous excellent works on the subject...


16 posted on 11/15/2011 7:04:18 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Kartographer

lol

right.

I am on the Cain Train and I am not getting off, I am tired of flitting around, I have picked my candidate and I am sticking to him.

Newt would make a nice NP choice for Cain, but no way no how should Newt be in charge.


17 posted on 11/15/2011 7:05:16 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (Cain 2012!)
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To: Lady Lucky

Churchill didn’t quit the House of Commons when they wouldn’t listen to him about the dangers of Hitler.

Newt quit Congress in 1998 right after he was overwhelmingly re-elected to another term.


18 posted on 11/15/2011 7:05:22 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: NativeNewYorker
Winston by his own admission was indifferent to sex.

Sounds like the type of thing a man says when he's in a lying mood.

19 posted on 11/15/2011 7:06:24 AM PST by Junior_G (Funny how liberals' love affair with Muslims began on 9/11)
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To: Kartographer
Is Snooki Polizzi New Jersey's Willa Cather?
20 posted on 11/15/2011 7:07:22 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: xzins

Thanks for posting that, xzins. Wish I had time to sink my teeth into this topic, but other concerns are pressing today :(


21 posted on 11/15/2011 7:07:30 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: Kartographer

The American Spectator is really scraping the bottom of the barrel these days.


22 posted on 11/15/2011 7:10:13 AM PST by BunnySlippers (I LOVE BULL MARKETS . . .)
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To: OddLane
Is Snooki Polizzi New Jersey's Willa Cather?

Now, that's humor in a jugular vein.......

23 posted on 11/15/2011 7:11:54 AM PST by exit82 (Democrats are the enemies of freedom. We have ideas-the Dems only have ideology.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Could be. Churchill got his head handed to him in an election against Socialists too.


24 posted on 11/15/2011 7:12:43 AM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Kartographer

These guys are just making it too obvious.

Churchill??? Gag!


25 posted on 11/15/2011 7:12:56 AM PST by VanDeKoik (1 million in stimulus dollars paid for this tagline!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
Some more info on Gingrich's first marriage from this article:

The famous myth of the first Gingrich divorce is discussed here by Gingrich's daughter Jackie Gingrich Cushman, who was present at the time. Surprise, surprise -- fact, says Ms. Cushman, is different than left-wing fiction. The first Mrs. Gingrich, a private person, is very much still alive, present and accounted for and not deceased as in the tale.

The story runs roughly that the dastardly Newt took divorce papers to his dying wife's bedside when she had no idea a divorce was in the offing, shocking her as she lay dying. In fact Mrs. Gingrich, says her daughter, had herself requested the divorce long before Gingrich entered her hospital room. The story, says Cushman, is fiction from start to finish.

Gingrich's political mistake was not understanding that such a personal moment would be distorted and used by liberal opponents. Out of such a moment perhaps comes the Newtonian understanding of the need for a political rapid response team whose sole purpose is to flag political untruths on the spot. Be that as it may, this tale shows the endurance of a political Bigfoot tale, the political equivalent of the fictional monster repeatedly spotted but mysteriously never actually captured because, of course, in fact it doesn't exist.

The interesting irony of what is shaping up as political reality in the 2012 Republican campaign is that those who may well be troubled by Gingrich's personal life are more troubled by Romney's flip-flopping political life and apparent dedication to management over principle.

Undiplomatically put, if front-runner Romney is a man without personal blemish and all manner of political warts, conservatives may prefer the man with the consistent political life and the long-known once thoroughly inconsistent personal life. A personal life that now in fact seems what it is, that of a securely married 68-year old grandfather. Indeed, this story from the Washington Times says this Romney/Gingrich personal versus political phenomenon is already in play in Iowa, with evangelicals tilting to Gingrich for just this reason

Add to this that Newt was a 16 year old minor when his 1st wife, his high school geometry teacher began an affair with him. That same act just put a woman in prison for 4 years in our town of Mason, here in the greater Cincinnati area.


26 posted on 11/15/2011 7:14:29 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

FREEREPUBLIC NEEDS TO POST THE NEAREST BARF BAG LOCATIONS FOR MEMBERS ALONG WITH SUCH POSTS.


27 posted on 11/15/2011 7:16:27 AM PST by montag813
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To: Lady Lucky

Hope you have a great day.

Bookmark this article. It is excellent.


28 posted on 11/15/2011 7:16:55 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: Jim Robinson; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
(Sorry, I fixed a blockquote formatting error in the first posting of the same post.) Some more info on Gingrich's first marriage from this article:

The famous myth of the first Gingrich divorce is discussed here by Gingrich's daughter Jackie Gingrich Cushman, who was present at the time. Surprise, surprise -- fact, says Ms. Cushman, is different than left-wing fiction. The first Mrs. Gingrich, a private person, is very much still alive, present and accounted for and not deceased as in the tale.

The story runs roughly that the dastardly Newt took divorce papers to his dying wife's bedside when she had no idea a divorce was in the offing, shocking her as she lay dying. In fact Mrs. Gingrich, says her daughter, had herself requested the divorce long before Gingrich entered her hospital room. The story, says Cushman, is fiction from start to finish.

Gingrich's political mistake was not understanding that such a personal moment would be distorted and used by liberal opponents. Out of such a moment perhaps comes the Newtonian understanding of the need for a political rapid response team whose sole purpose is to flag political untruths on the spot. Be that as it may, this tale shows the endurance of a political Bigfoot tale, the political equivalent of the fictional monster repeatedly spotted but mysteriously never actually captured because, of course, in fact it doesn't exist.

The interesting irony of what is shaping up as political reality in the 2012 Republican campaign is that those who may well be troubled by Gingrich's personal life are more troubled by Romney's flip-flopping political life and apparent dedication to management over principle.

Undiplomatically put, if front-runner Romney is a man without personal blemish and all manner of political warts, conservatives may prefer the man with the consistent political life and the long-known once thoroughly inconsistent personal life. A personal life that now in fact seems what it is, that of a securely married 68-year old grandfather. Indeed, this story from the Washington Times says this Romney/Gingrich personal versus political phenomenon is already in play in Iowa, with evangelicals tilting to Gingrich for just this reason

Add to this that Newt was a 16 year old minor when his 1st wife, his high school geometry teacher, began an affair with him. That same act just put a woman in prison for 4 years in our town of Mason, here in the greater Cincinnati area.

29 posted on 11/15/2011 7:19:06 AM PST by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! True Supporters of our Troops PRAY for their VICTORY!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

The Newt vs. Winston comparison is, right now anyway, way over the top. Despite the relatively easy comparisons between the two in their earlier years, the era that Churchill lived in provided an opportunity for his character to surface. Character that was not always evident in his younger days.

But if the struggles of an era reveal the bedrock character of a man thrust into leadership for the time, I would certainly prefer to place my bet on someone who has failed and admitted it and had the courage to get back in the arena rather than someone who has failed and refuses to admit it (Obama) or someone who appears to have never “failed” and whose biggest struggle seems to have been to stand up to withering media scrutiny over letting his dog ride on the roof of his car (Romney).

Whoever said that the American electorate can be very forgiving certainly has not met the anti-Newt contingent at Free Republic. How they could prefer four more years of Obama to casting a vote for Gingrich (or even Romney for that matter) strikes me as a childish temper tantrum, a matter of arrested development. As Rumsfeld noted, you go to war with the army you have. And right now, Gingrich is, perhaps, the most powerful part of that army. If he gains the nomination and Republicans and conservatives choose not to rally around him (or yes, even Mitt if that should be the unfortunate case), they will most certainly wind up with the government they deserve.


30 posted on 11/15/2011 7:20:00 AM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: Junior_G

Well, I’ve read a few biographies of him, and his passions seemed limited to booze and politics.


31 posted on 11/15/2011 7:21:03 AM PST by NativeNewYorker (Freepin' Jew Boy)
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To: newheart
Whoever said that the American electorate can be very forgiving certainly has not met the anti-Newt contingent at Free Republic. How they could prefer four more years of Obama to casting a vote for Gingrich (or even Romney for that matter) strikes me as a childish temper tantrum, a matter of arrested development. As Rumsfeld noted, you go to war with the army you have. And right now, Gingrich is, perhaps, the most powerful part of that army. If he gains the nomination and Republicans and conservatives choose not to rally around him (or yes, even Mitt if that should be the unfortunate case), they will most certainly wind up with the government they deserve.

With regards to politics, there really has to be a demonstrated change of heart before, and rightly so, conservatives will trust someone one who serially does the wrong thing.

The most apt analogy is a wife with a regular cheater of a husband, when should she start trusting him to be apart of her life?
32 posted on 11/15/2011 7:26:24 AM PST by SoConPubbie
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To: Lady Lucky
There was iron and clay in Churchill.

Excellent point. The desire on the part of the electorate to choose only those with no clay is frightening because there are no candidates like that. But when the people choose to be in denial about it, it gives the victor license to believe that he really does have no faults. The longing for the rescuer on the white horse is the reason that Hitler was elected (and I mean no direct comparison here) it is also the reason that Obama was elected.

We don't need someone on a white horse. we need someone who will never, never, never, never, give up. (As the Churchill authority I am certain you can set us straight as to how may 'nevers' he used.) ;-)

33 posted on 11/15/2011 7:29:24 AM PST by newheart (When does policy become treason?)
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To: HerrBlucher

He’s no Churchill, but he’s definitely not a Chamberlain.

I seem to remember a guy who balanced the budget, got Clinton to sign welfare reform, and organized the first GOP takeover of both houses of Congress in 40 years.

Nope, no conservative leader here, nothing to see, move along...


34 posted on 11/15/2011 7:29:56 AM PST by RockinRight (One year from now, we have an opportunity to take our nation back.)
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To: xzins

Interesting way to look at it.

While the men have far different lives, the way they are percieved in their time may be an apt comparison.


35 posted on 11/15/2011 7:31:39 AM PST by RockinRight (One year from now, we have an opportunity to take our nation back.)
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To: newheart

Excellent points.

During the 2008 campaign I distinctly remember multitudes of posters stating they would abstain or vote 3rd party rather than for McCain.

An understandable position, but one that may have played at least some part in getting Obama elected. If so, I hope those who jumped ship are proud of what they accomplished.

It is just a fact of life that serious people, when faced with a binary choice, neither of which they are happy with, choose the lesser of two weevils.


36 posted on 11/15/2011 7:32:31 AM PST by Sherman Logan
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Is Newt Gingrich America's Churchill?

Does someone need to put down the crack pipe?

37 posted on 11/15/2011 7:34:13 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Is Newt Gingrich America's Winston Churchill?

No. Churchill could keep his pants zipped.

38 posted on 11/15/2011 7:34:38 AM PST by Colonel_Flagg (Why, yes. I AM in a bad mood.)
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To: SIDENET

If Newt was a true believer, he would have stayed in Congress, even after losing his job as Speaker, and would have continued to fight there for what he believed in.

Churchill in 1934, was ostracized by his own party, but continued to speak out against Hitler, in an atmosphere where the British people, still stinging from WWI, didn’t want to hear it. But Winnie never gave up, and eventually events proved him right.

It’s an insult to Churchill’s memory to even put the two in the same sentence.


39 posted on 11/15/2011 7:36:49 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: RockinRight

And since those high flying days he has folded to liberalism many times. I don’t trust him as far as I can throw him, and any conservative who does is blind as a bat. He is better than Romney and that is about it. If he had a backbone to match his intellect, and a strong foundation of conservative principles, he would be a great force to be reckoned with.....oh well.


40 posted on 11/15/2011 7:38:26 AM PST by HerrBlucher
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To: St. Louis Conservative

I would be tickled pink to have Gingrich over Obama or Romney.


41 posted on 11/15/2011 7:38:26 AM PST by ZX12R (FUBO GTFO 2012 !)
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To: exit82
Is Ashton Kutcher Hollywood's Saul of Tarsus?
42 posted on 11/15/2011 7:39:09 AM PST by OddLane (If Lionel Hutz and Guy Smiley had a lovechild together, his name would be "Mitt Romney." -KAJ)
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To: St. Louis Conservative
Is Newt Gingrich America's Winston Churchill?

No, he's Chamberlain - Better than Bush (Baldwin), but not Churchill.

That would be Ron Paul - pray that things don't get that bad. Paul cannot become President until we face our own May 1940.

43 posted on 11/15/2011 7:49:48 AM PST by Jim Noble (To live peacefully with credit-based consumption and fiat money, men would have to be angels.)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Didn’t Newt say “the era of Churchill is dead”, oh wait, it was Reagan that Newt was speaking of.


44 posted on 11/15/2011 7:51:43 AM PST by dforest
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To: xzins
"The "brilliant failure" derided as a "genius without judgment" turns out to be the man of hard earned wisdom with rock hard principles and the best judgment after all. The man once seen as "erratic" is suddenly recognized as the man whose bone-deep understanding of history, strategy and human nature gives him the steely ability to see over the horizon while all around him are essentially blind. And displays the supreme virtue of being unafraid to act."

Sounds right on to me.

45 posted on 11/15/2011 8:02:04 AM PST by matthew fuller ((1) fully fund defense, (2) transform entitlement programs, and (3) do not raise taxes!)
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To: dfwgator

Great points and I agree 100%.


46 posted on 11/15/2011 8:07:19 AM PST by SIDENET ("If that's your best, your best won't do." -Dee Snider)
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To: Lady Lucky
"Just read it, and it wouldn’t hurt to read up on Churchill either. Numerous excellent works on the subject..."

I just finished "The Second World War- The Gathering Storm V.1", and I know that there are five more volumes in that series, but I am interested in your reccomendation of a couple of the better bios on Churchill.

47 posted on 11/15/2011 8:10:01 AM PST by matthew fuller ((1) fully fund defense, (2) transform entitlement programs, and (3) do not raise taxes!)
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To: matthew fuller

If you haven’t seen it, you have to see “The Gathering Storm”, with Albert Finney as Churchill.


48 posted on 11/15/2011 8:18:46 AM PST by dfwgator (I stand with Herman Cain.)
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To: dfwgator

I’ll check it out, thanks.


49 posted on 11/15/2011 8:30:30 AM PST by matthew fuller ((1) fully fund defense, (2) transform entitlement programs, and (3) do not raise taxes!)
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To: St. Louis Conservative

Hell no, newt thinks he is a fat. Little french man. What was that little fellows name. Married that young honky looking chick. Had something about a bone in his name. Maybe bone was a part of his name.


50 posted on 11/15/2011 8:31:01 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Perry and his fellow demorats.)
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