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Penn State scandal "opens wound" in Catholic Church
Reuters ^ | 11/16/2011 | Jason Tomassini

Posted on 11/16/2011 5:35:35 AM PST by TSgt

(Reuters) - The top U.S. Catholic bishop said on Monday that a child sex abuse scandal at Penn State University "opens a wound" within the church, which remains scarred from its own similar controversies and cover-ups.

"We know what you're going through," Archbishop Timothy Dolan of New York, president of the United States Conference of Catholic Bishops, told a news conference in Baltimore where hundreds of bishops have gathered for their national meeting.

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The difference between Penn State and the Catholic church is that Penn State swiftly removed the enablers unlike the church where the most notorious pedophile protectors, such as Cardinal Law, still serve the Pope.


Dolan said the Penn State scandal was proof that sex abuse was "widespread" and not associated with a particular faith.

"See! Everyone rapes children!"

"No one has suffered more than the Catholic community."

How about the tens of thousands of children who were raped at the hands of your clergy?
1 posted on 11/16/2011 5:35:36 AM PST by TSgt
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To: TSgt

Love the martyrdom exhibited by the Roman Catholic Church leadership.


2 posted on 11/16/2011 5:37:08 AM PST by Gamecock (I am so thankful for [the] active obedience of Christ. No hope without it. JGM)
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To: TSgt

Well,there is one similarity. A culture friendly to homosexual pederasts was established in both institutions -—the exception being one was secular and the other nonsecular.


3 posted on 11/16/2011 5:39:18 AM PST by Happy Rain ( "Many of the most useful idiots of the Left are on the Right.")
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To: Gamecock

It’s the homosexuals, media’s, psychologist’s, pornographer’s, etc.. fault don’t ya know?

I also hear the devil made them do it...


4 posted on 11/16/2011 5:40:34 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: TSgt

I think that the main difference is that the victims of the perps in the church were largely young but adolescent boys whereas the Penn State victims were pre-adolescent boys. Having raised two boys, there’s a huge difference.


5 posted on 11/16/2011 5:41:31 AM PST by Mercat
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To: TSgt

#1 This is unadulterated Catholic bigotry
#2 There’s no such thing as a “top Catholic bishop.” If you’re going to castigate the Catholic Church, you should do a bit of homework. If you mean the president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops, that’s something wholly different. Each bishop is in charge of his own diocese and answers only to the Bishop of Rome with whom he is in communion.
#3 Since you’re so well informed, you might regale us with the statistics regarding child sex abuse among all professions in this country percentage-wise. Why not start with public school teachers.
#4 I will certainly pray for the healing of your bigoted heart. No thank-you necessary.


6 posted on 11/16/2011 5:42:29 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: Mercat

It is reported that the Penn State victims were 11 to 15.

The church’s victims have a wide distribution.

At the end of the day, it’s all child rape.


7 posted on 11/16/2011 5:43:51 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: TSgt
Penn State is as despicable as the worst of the enablers in the RCC.

What happens is that whenever you get a strong machismo culture without equally strong institutional discipline and morality, MEN will inevitably seek out their narcissistic sexual perquisites and turn an organization into a brothel. You see similar behavior in Islam--male domination and no real accountability inevitably leads to debauchery. Women are for children, and boys are for sex.

We've created a culture where men can indulge their worst impulses. I have always been uneasy with the weird, almost religious, passions that men assuage in the world of sports. It doesn't seem like there is any place where men can have a wholesome good time without having to service their small brains...

An exception is the US Military, which is now under attack by the homosexual "lobby", if you will. The chain of command, and, dare I say? the assertive officers' wives keep a lot of this kind of trash out of the military.

The RCC are really pikers compared to our socialized schools, our fatuous universities--

I'd like to turn over the Sandusky's of this world over to some Commanche squaws...

8 posted on 11/16/2011 5:45:45 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: veritas2002
#1 This is unadulterated Catholic bigotry

What took you so long? ;)

#2 There’s no such thing as a “top Catholic bishop.”

So there's no way to remove pedophile protecting leadership? Something is seriously wrong with an organization like that.

#3 Since you’re so well informed, you might regale us with the statistics regarding child sex abuse among all professions in this country percentage-wise. Why not start with public school teachers.

"Don't blame us, everyone rapes children!" The difference is that people go to prison in most other organizations and the leadership is terminated.
9 posted on 11/16/2011 5:47:04 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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Yup. Penn State got rid of them right away. As soon as their money machine was threatened. Until then they did not give a $hit.
10 posted on 11/16/2011 5:47:53 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Mamzelle
I'd like to turn over the Sandusky's of this world over to some Commanche squaws...

I'm still partial to woodchipper therapy for the Sandusky's of the world.
11 posted on 11/16/2011 5:49:21 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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Penn State scandal “does not reopen issue of whether the Boy Scouts should be required to allow homosexuals in”

I wonder why?


12 posted on 11/16/2011 5:50:10 AM PST by joshhiggins
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To: TSgt
First go google up what Commanche women did to prisoners in the nineteenth and early twentieth centuries...
13 posted on 11/16/2011 5:53:01 AM PST by Mamzelle
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Dolan declined to offer advice to Penn State University on how to deal with its scandal, because the church "has not been a good example of how to deal with this in the past,"

Something is dead wrong when a church is not able to give advice about heinous sin.

Dead wrong.

14 posted on 11/16/2011 5:53:48 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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Um, teachers diddle so many children it doesn't even make national news unless the diddler is female, then it's woman-bites-dog...

In my community, I can barely open the local news without another local MALE teacher getting busted for hankering after baby flesh. And he's not a priest, just another man who can't control his impulses...probably because his own father set that kind of example.

So I call you out for anti-Catholic bigotry. There's a lot more self-indulgent lust among the products of our liberal arts universities than the Vatican could ever ordain.

And I'm not Catholic.

15 posted on 11/16/2011 5:57:42 AM PST by Mamzelle
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To: veritas2002
If you mean the president of the US Conference of Catholic Bishops,

Wouldn't we assume the position gives him some kind of authority over other US bishops?

16 posted on 11/16/2011 5:57:55 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: Siena Dreaming
And we would be wrong.
17 posted on 11/16/2011 6:05:52 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: starlifter

Why?


18 posted on 11/16/2011 6:07:58 AM PST by Siena Dreaming
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To: TSgt
Penn State swiftly removed the enablers

What Penn State scandal have you been following?

19 posted on 11/16/2011 6:13:46 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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The difference between Penn State and the Catholic church is that Penn State swiftly removed the enablers

I suppose if you put it in terms of a 2000+ year Catholic tradition, you can argue for using the term "swiftly". However, to me 1998-2011 isn't near swift enough and shouldn't be classified as such.
20 posted on 11/16/2011 6:16:39 AM PST by mmichaels1970
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Swiftly = 30 years later.

I’d say just as swiftly.


21 posted on 11/16/2011 6:18:25 AM PST by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It
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To: Mamzelle
What happens is that whenever you get a strong machismo culture

Those macho priests.

And the Boy Scouts too.

Is is not "machismo" It is about predators willfully joining organizations to which children are entrusted without much thought.

Look at the predators in public schools and summer camps which are about as anti-"machismo" as you can get.

BTW, Sandusky's victims did not come from a "football camp" i.e. a place were young boys who want to become better football players go, but from The Second Mile which is a "non-profit organization for children who need additional support and who would benefit from positive human contact."

I'm confident in saying that "macho" sports camps -- which inclined towards homophobia back in the day -- are much safer than touchy-feely "positive human contact" camps.

22 posted on 11/16/2011 6:28:10 AM PST by Tribune7 (If you demand perfection you will wind up with leftist Democrats)
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To: Siena Dreaming
Because it is not true.
23 posted on 11/16/2011 6:49:59 AM PST by starlifter (Pullum sapit)
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To: Siena Dreaming
Dear Siena Dreaming,

The president of the US bishops’ conference isn't the superior to any bishop in the United States. The bishops’ conference is an organizing entity that cannot impose any of its decisions on any ordinary (head bishop) of any diocese. It's not much more than a talking society, a coffee klatch, in terms of formal power over bishops. It has its own forms of power and influence, but authority over bishops isn't one of them.

The superior to the ordinary (governing bishop) of a see (diocese) is the pope, and even there, that's attenuated. There is no level of “administration” between the bishop of a diocese and the pope.


sitetest

24 posted on 11/16/2011 7:00:38 AM PST by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: veritas2002; TSgt; Outlaw Woman

I see FR tolerates hatred of the Catholic Church. It’s no wonder the place gets labeled a hate site.

Please tell us, Tsgt, the rates of child pedophilia among other Christian sects and religions?

The last reports I saw presented comparable rates of pedophilia among Protestant and higher rates in muslim groups.

A ping to Outlaw Woman after I noticed her comments yesterday on Freepers attacking each other.


25 posted on 11/16/2011 7:01:50 AM PST by AlmaKing
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To: TSgt

Read the material again. Penn State victims were as young as seven years old.


26 posted on 11/16/2011 7:03:24 AM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: TSgt
If Penn State allowed their football coaches to marry this never would have happened.

By the way; since this is obviously an issue close to your benevolent and altruistic heart, why didn't the DA in Boston indict Bernard Law?

27 posted on 11/16/2011 7:39:38 AM PST by A.A. Cunningham (Barry Soetoro is a Kenyan communist)
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I see FR tolerates hatred of the Catholic Church. It’s no wonder the place gets labeled a hate site. Please tell us, Tsgt, the rates of child pedophilia among other Christian sects and religions? The last reports I saw presented comparable rates of pedophilia among Protestant and higher rates in muslim groups.

At least you are consistent with your excuse, "Don't blame us, everyone rapes children!" Perhaps you could think a little a realize the focus is due to leadership covering for the pedophiles and said leadership not being removed?

I know it's hard to see past those rosary colored glasses but please try...
28 posted on 11/16/2011 7:49:55 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

It’s analogous to obama thinking he’s the boss of Congress.


29 posted on 11/16/2011 7:52:02 AM PST by HIDEK6
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To: A.A. Cunningham
why didn't the DA in Boston indict Bernard Law?

Is an indictment required for the church to act? Even Law stated that he failed.

"To all those who have suffered from my shortcomings and mistakes I both apologize and from them beg forgiveness". - Bernard Francis Law
30 posted on 11/16/2011 7:57:14 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: A.A. Cunningham

Irish Catholics Call For Cardinal Law’s Resignation, Following Clergy Abuse Report
http://www.wbur.org/2010/02/10/irish-priests-followup
“To keep Cardinal Bernard Law in the position he holds would suggest the papacy does not understand the principles of accountability,” said Sean O’Conaill, acting coordinator of Voice of the Faithful in Ireland.

After leaving Boston, Law was named to the prominent position of archpriest of the St. Mary Major Basilica in Rome. He also serves on several Vatican boards and committees and he participated in the 2005 conclave that elected Pope Benedict. But he hasn’t been seen in Boston since he left.

“You’ll notice when the pope came to Boston last year, all these American Cardinals from Rome came with the Pope on the plane — but not Cardinal Law,” said Father Walter Cuenin, who was among the group of Boston area priests who first called on Law to step down in response to the clergy abuse crisis. “He could not have been on that plane. So in some ways I think even in Rome they recognize it’s a delicate situation.”


31 posted on 11/16/2011 7:58:21 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: MrEdd

Does the age really matter if they were under 18?

Child rape is child rape...


32 posted on 11/16/2011 8:16:59 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: Siena Dreaming

Not at all. I would encourage your reading up about the Catholic Church.


33 posted on 11/16/2011 9:33:14 AM PST by veritas2002
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To: veritas2002

Well done.

MCB


34 posted on 11/16/2011 9:43:41 AM PST by MotorCityBuck ( Keep the change, you filthy animal!)
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To: TSgt

Tsgt, before you throw another one of your stones, would you please inform us of any and all immoral acts you have ever committed? Once your list is complete, you can then lecture us about others’ immorality.

We’ll give you plenty of time to examine your conscience. The timer starts now...


35 posted on 11/16/2011 9:46:38 AM PST by veritas2002
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36 posted on 11/16/2011 10:07:25 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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Tsgt, before you throw another one of your stones, would you please inform us of any and all immoral acts you have ever committed? Once your list is complete, you can then lecture us about others’ immorality. We’ll give you plenty of time to examine your conscience. The timer starts now...

You confuse throwing stones with holding people and organizations accountable. One can assume from your reply that you would not prosecute or hold an individual accountable who raped your child since you have sin in your life?

There's a moral absolutes ping list here on FR. You might want to ask the list members for their sins as well...
37 posted on 11/16/2011 10:48:53 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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Just so I understand, you would be okay with Father Lawrence Murphy teaching your children?

38 posted on 11/16/2011 10:56:59 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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The difference between Penn State and the Catholic church is that Penn State swiftly removed the enablers

Swiftly? There is evidence that they've known about this for nearly 15 years! They only moved "swiftly" when they made national and international news 24-7 for a full week.

You just can't resist, can you? Here is clear evidence that pedophilia on a wide scale with complete (and continuing) cover up goes on in institutions other than the Catholic Church and all you can do is continue to attack Catholics.

Just admit that you were wrong and that homosexual abuse and cover up is in no way unique to the Catholic Church. We'll forgive you. That's what we do.

Posting rants like this only makes you look like a Catholic-hating kook.
39 posted on 11/16/2011 11:02:55 AM PST by Antoninus (Take the pledge: I will not vote for Mitt Romney under any circumstances. EVER.)
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#4 I will certainly pray for the healing of your bigoted heart. No thank-you necessary.

You are better than I, veritas2002. I pray for his heart but not necessarily the healing there of.

40 posted on 11/16/2011 11:13:47 AM PST by Lion Den Dan
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Swiftly? There is evidence that they've known about this for nearly 15 years! They only moved "swiftly" when they made national and international news 24-7 for a full week. You just can't resist, can you? Here is clear evidence that pedophilia on a wide scale with complete (and continuing) cover up goes on in institutions other than the Catholic Church and all you can do is continue to attack Catholics. Just admit that you were wrong and that homosexual abuse and cover up is in no way unique to the Catholic Church. We'll forgive you. That's what we do. Posting rants like this only makes you look like a Catholic-hating kook.

Penn State leadership was removed by the board when the board learned about the situation unlike the Vatican where Cardinal Law still serves.

Nobody said child rape was exclusive to the Catholic church. If you'll read the article, or have someone read it to you, you'll find that it draws parallels between the two.

I don't hate Catholics, just pedophiles and those who cover for them. It's sad you don't feel the same way. Now tell me who's the kook?
41 posted on 11/16/2011 11:22:12 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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I pray for his heart but not necessarily the healing there of.

That's cute big internet forum tough guy...
43 posted on 11/16/2011 4:53:23 PM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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To: TSgt

I pray for you too.


44 posted on 11/16/2011 6:40:00 PM PST by Lion Den Dan
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45 posted on 11/16/2011 6:40:56 PM PST by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: Lion Den Dan

nicely said and heartfelt, LDD - the type of honesty these threads need - bless you


46 posted on 11/16/2011 6:45:20 PM PST by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: TSgt

When (and if) you come to a more complete and truthful comprehension of all that the Catholic Church has been, is now and will be, then you will not be liable to such bigotry. Try looking at the recently-produced video by Fr. Robert Barron entitled “Catholicism” and you will know more than just the name of one wayward sinful priest.

Using your standards, when the Lord Jesus Christ who is the incarnate God assembled a group of 12 followers to proclaim His Father’s message after he retruned to heaven and one of those followers sinned by betraying him up to death, you would have supposed the Lord God to have said, “This is an outright failure; I have 8% of my followers betraying me. All is lost.” Is this what you’d say?

I’d recommend some reading about the Catholic Church. You might start with “Rome Sweet Home” by Scott Hahn - a convert to the Catholic Church.


47 posted on 11/17/2011 2:29:23 AM PST by veritas2002
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Nice deflection.

So, you’re not willing to put your sins out there for all of us to see? Usually when this happens, it is because we fear that others will judge us harshly. Know what, they likely will.

But if you were to come home to the Catholic Church, you would find God’s mercy and desire for you to be reconciled to Him. No matter what your sins have been TSgt


48 posted on 11/17/2011 2:34:53 AM PST by veritas2002
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The difference between Penn State and the Catholic church is that Penn State swiftly removed the enablers

You just posted an incorrect statement. Try to get your facts straight stupid. You are wrong.

49 posted on 11/17/2011 2:50:26 AM PST by bmwcyle (Obama is a Communist, a Muslim, and an illegal alien)
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Using your standards, when the Lord Jesus Christ who is the incarnate God assembled a group of 12 followers to proclaim His Father’s message after he retruned to heaven and one of those followers sinned by betraying him up to death, you would have supposed the Lord God to have said, “This is an outright failure; I have 8% of my followers betraying me. All is lost.” Is this what you’d say?

My Bible says nothing about Jesus or his followers raping children. It does say, "But whoso shall offend one of these little ones which believe in me, it were better for him that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and that he were drowned in the depth of the sea."
50 posted on 11/17/2011 3:38:10 AM PST by TSgt (whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive...it is the Right of the People to abolish it.)
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