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Man killed by his own concealed weapon
timesdispatch.com ^ | 18 Nov 2011 | Mark Bowes

Posted on 11/20/2011 8:51:58 PM PST by smokingfrog

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To: smokingfrog

Never, ever, ever, ever carry a loaded Glock without a holster.


101 posted on 11/21/2011 4:07:19 AM PST by Kent1957
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To: donmeaker

Your old Navy .44 reminds me of using a car as a defensive weapon. It gets them the first time if your aim is true, but it takes so darn long to reload.


102 posted on 11/21/2011 4:16:53 AM PST by Steamburg (The contents of your wallet is the only language Politicians understand.)
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To: AnalogReigns
What do those Freepers with a CC permit say?

My preferred CC weapon is a SiG p232 in .380, 7+1 and decocked. I sometimes carry a S&W snubbie revolver loaded with .38 Special +P as circumstances direct. In both cases, I use holsters (shoulder, pocket, IWB, etc.)


Advantage SiG p232: comfortable CC carry and shooting.

Advantage S&W snubbie: Point and click (boom) interface.

103 posted on 11/21/2011 4:31:54 AM PST by Jonah Hex ("To Serve Manatee" is a cookbook!)
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To: AnalogReigns
Depends on the gun... Condition One is recommended carry on a Kimber Crimson Carry II. I would not carry a semi without a grip safety and a thumb safety... unless it was designed as a double action first round weapon (think Smith and Wesson).

LLS

104 posted on 11/21/2011 4:55:35 AM PST by LibLieSlayer ("Americans are hungry to feel once again a sense of mission and greatness." Ronaldo Magnus)
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To: AnalogReigns

The “hard and fast” rule is that if your gun does not have a safety, never chamber a round unless you are in the process of firing it or in the case that you think you will need to use it immediately if attacked...and that only applies in very special circumstances.


105 posted on 11/21/2011 4:56:01 AM PST by DH (Once the tainted finger of government touches anything the rot begins)
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To: AnalogReigns

With respect to safety, a Glock is functionally the same as a revolver. Would you carry a double action revolver with the hammer on an empty chamber? Most people would not, prefering to be able to simply pull the trigger to get cartridge ignition. Understand what you are carrying, and the safety laws will follow. A 1911 carried cocked and locked looks dangerous and scary to the uninitiated, but only because the hammer is exposed. Functionally, it is as safe as any other semi-auto with an external safety. My vote is to always have a round in the chamber and adopt the right safety rules.


106 posted on 11/21/2011 4:57:31 AM PST by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: smokingfrog

Tragic...


107 posted on 11/21/2011 5:22:03 AM PST by Caipirabob ( Communists... Socialists... Democrats...Traitors... Who can tell the difference?)
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To: basil
Get to the range often and practice, practice, practice is what we preach to the ladies we teach in our Second Amendment Sister classes.

Unless its a Fun House or a 270 combat range, all ranges won't allow anything near real practice. I submit that any traditional range time is developing and reinforcing very bad habits or "anti-patterns".

Crims worthy of shooting are not going to be standing centered, straight and motionless exactly seven yards away in excellent lighting calmly allowing you to stand without cover or concealment in front of a yellow line, with already unholstered weapon in your strong hand forming a textbook stance and forming a clear sight picture before squeezing off a round in center mass, pausing a second and delivering remaining rounds. (Eagle Peak discourages "rapid fire" and is thus a worthless pistol range suitable only for zeroing rifles)

True practice would be in a high stress environment, with rounds heading your way, shooting while on the move, with an off-hand while ducking for cover while your subject is also running ducking and hiding in bad lighting. Even IPSC or IPDA is far from reality since no one has to shoot a dozen gouls hiding in your house.

You want practice? Paint Ball.

108 posted on 11/21/2011 5:36:20 AM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: cpdiii
snarky comments aside, please tell me you go outside EVERYTIME you lower the 1911 hammer on a live round...if not, arrogance will quite possibly catch up to ya someday...

that said, Prayers up for the 4 kids who got their eardrums spiked, then watched in horror as their father bled out while screaming for his life...

brady and bloomy prolly got 4 new members of their sick cults for this guys foolish notion that he knew what he was doing was 'safe' enuff...

109 posted on 11/21/2011 5:53:55 AM PST by Gilbo_3 (Gov is not reason; not eloquent; its force.Like fire,a dangerous servant & master. George Washington)
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To: smokingfrog
It's called a “negligent discharge” and it's caused by “operator error.” Anyone who carries a Glock tucked in their waist band has not been properly trained in the use of the Glock or has chosen to ignore basic safety precautions inherent to using the Glock pistol.

Glocks have a “trigger safety” and you can drop it off a 4 story building, loaded w/a cartridge in the chamber and It WILL NOT discharge; but, if you put your finger on the trigger or allow some object to be forced against the front of the trigger; the safety disengages and it goes “bang!” That's why any standard factory Glock (except some South American variants which were specially ordered w/a standard safety) requires a holster that covers the trigger/trigger guard.

There is absolutely nothing wrong w/a Glock if it is used and carried properly including "carry" w/a "round" in the chamber ...except Glocks are damned ugly! (Yeah, I own one.)

110 posted on 11/21/2011 6:13:23 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: Molon Labbie

Ah, we have a winner! Thanx for pointing that out, so many forget a working brain is necessary.


111 posted on 11/21/2011 6:40:09 AM PST by 556x45
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To: smokingfrog

Must have hit a major artery.


112 posted on 11/21/2011 6:53:31 AM PST by Huck (LIBERTY is the object.)
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To: Professional Engineer

Darwin award ping


113 posted on 11/21/2011 6:53:52 AM PST by Peanut Gallery
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To: AnalogReigns
“With respect to safety, a Glock is functionally the same as a revolver.”

While I agree w/your comments on the safety of a “cocked and locked” .45 ACP, the accuracy of the above quote regarding the Glock safety system depends on how you define “functionally,”

If you mean that both double action revolvers and Glocks will discharge if you pull the trigger w/sufficient force; I agree; however, the Glock Gen 4 pistols have a 3-part safety system;

1. Trigger
2. Drop
3. Firing Pin Block

See page 9 of the below linked .pdf file for a diagram of the Glock Safety System:

Link: www.glock.com/downloads/GLOCK_Gen4_en.pdf

I am not aware of any revolvers that have the same type of three-part, redundant safety system as the Glock.

114 posted on 11/21/2011 7:10:02 AM PST by Ozymandias Ghost
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To: smokingfrog
In the Spotsylvania case, police said the victim was sitting inside his family's van with his four children outside the Giant grocery store in the Harrison Crossing shopping center.

Oh, how horrible for those kids.

115 posted on 11/21/2011 7:49:37 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: AnalogReigns
To carry a pistol with a CHAMBERED round in it, I believe—is contrary to all safety training.

Not at all. Many guns are completely safe that way, even with the hammer back and locked. In this case I'd be more inclined to blame carelessness/lack of a good holster.

116 posted on 11/21/2011 7:51:23 AM PST by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Ozymandias Ghost

Two comments: While the trigger pull force might be the same on the Glock and revolvers, 10 lbs or so, the length of the trigger pull is much longer on most DA revolvers than the Glock. This makes the DA revolver somewhat “safer” IMHO.

Ruger (and I think Taurus) have transfer bar safeties which prevent the revolver from firing unless the trigger is completely depressed. I believe this provides the same resistance to drops or partial trigger pulls as does the Glock.


117 posted on 11/21/2011 8:11:00 AM PST by rrebo
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To: Ozymandias Ghost

This was not a dump on Glock. I own and use one. I know about their internal mechanics. I was simply addressing the issue of “one in the chamber, or not”.


118 posted on 11/21/2011 8:15:25 AM PST by Pecos (O.K., joke's over. Time to bring back the Constitution.)
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To: Billthedrill
Pretty much depends on location and threat level.

Around the house, condition 2, at work, condition 2, while driving, mostly condition 2.

When on foot, questionable areas (when necc to be there), usually condition 1.

Being aware of surroundings at all times much more important than condition or type of carry.

119 posted on 11/21/2011 8:20:41 AM PST by going hot (Happiness is a momma deuce)
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To: AnalogReigns
I carry with a chambered round and the safety on. If I don't pull the trigger, it doesn't go off.

Of course, I don't carry a Glock either. None of the Glocks I've fired feel right in my hands.

120 posted on 11/21/2011 8:37:10 AM PST by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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