To carry a pistol with a CHAMBERED round in it, I believe—is contrary to all safety training.
What do those Freepers with a CC permit say?
I never understood the reasoning behind the Glock’s safety - but that’s just me and my limited experience. I bought a Springfield XDM as a first pistol as I liked the safety on the rear of the grip and the way it felt and shot.
Is always in a holster, and always has a round chambered.
Perhaps. Right, wrong or indifferent, I have been carrying my Glock 22 with a chambered round for ten years. The difference here is I always carry in the proper holster. Always.
Walther PP style pistols are designed to be carried with a round in the chamber. And the double action on my P64 is so stiff it’s pretty much impossible to fire it by accident.
Disagree, but it’s a matter of training and practice. If you’re carrying a revolver, no big deal. But, if you’re carrying a semi-auto, can you guarantee you’ll have time to rack the slide?
That is incorrect. My CHL trainer carries a chambered, hammer cocked, 1911 45. I don’t carry chambered because I have kids.
The difficulty with Condition One when you're carrying a Glock is that the trigger "safety" is a lever in the middle of the trigger that requires a direct pull in order to release the trigger. If you've put your finger on the trigger as this fellow did, you've released the safety. There is no thumb safety or grip safety as with a 1911; if the trigger is pulled in this condition the gun goes off.
That's why it is so important to practice draw and presentation of the piece with the finger off the trigger. The Glock isn't the only design with this characteristic: all revolvers and many other striker-fired semi-autos are this way. "Don't touch the trigger until you want the gun to go off" is Cooper's rule on it. Most of us memorize that early on in our firearms careers.
I say Glocks with a round in the chamber are dangerous. There is no external hammer or safety AND its half cocked by design. You pull the trigger it goes off.
It takes too long to rack the slide when time is vital and if you're hurt you may not have two functional hands.
...and incidentally, many Israeli schools recommend a Condition Two carry, and practice the slide racking motion as a part of the draw. It’s a safety compromise, not much of a compromise if you’ve trained and can do it quickly, but even then still a compromise. I’m not that good at it; when I carry my 1911 it’s always Condition One but then I have a thumb and grip safety. Others’ mileage may vary.
There is no point in carrying a handgun if it is not functional, as in loaded. Safe carry practices do not include an empty chamber unless you are carrying hammer down on an old style six-shooter that can discharge from a blow to the hammer. In that case it’s a five-shooter with an empty chamber under the hammer.
If you are going to carry, carry properly in a suitable holster.
Further, this only proves the reliability of a Glock. It fires when the trigger is depressed.
You might not always have time to rack a round into the chamber. Or, in a high stress situation, you’ll forget.
There’s a video on the intertubes of a jewelry store owner that was being robbed and he forgot to flip the safety on his pistol. He got shot up pretty bad, but survived. The bad guy had a cheap revolver.
I’ve always carried in condition zero, I believe it is. It won’t matter though because I always have it in a holster. Only thugs carry it naked in their pants. Also, if I have to adjust, I will grab a part of the holster that is attached to the waistband. Not from the trigger area. Negligent Discharge. End of Story.
Holsters save lives.
Keep the finger off the bang switch and Glocks are 100% safe.
I have carried one for years, 12+1, never an issue.
IMO, without one in the chamber, the gun is a club.
(22 year retired USAF Security Police and a former deputy)
In a semiautomatic Glock the answer is problematic, it “aint gonna” go bang unless you pull he trigger. I actually do not like Glocks but that is another story.
I carry either a 9mm Browning Parabellum or a 45 ACP 1911. I carry them with a round in the chamber. If I pull the trigger it is not “gonna go bang” unless I have cocked the hammer back prior to the first shot, at which time it then becomes a semiautomatic and goes bang every time I pull he trigger until I have depleted the magazine.
Glocks are well designed weapons and do exactly what they are designed to do. Glocks are not forgiving of stupidity and do go bang when you pull he trigger if it has a round in the chamber. Revolvers do this also.
NOW IS THE TIME TO READ THE GOSPEL OF JOHN BROWNING, BELOW.
1 In the beginning was the 1911, and the 1911 was THE pistol, and it was good. And behold the Lord said, “Thou shalt not muck with my disciple John's design for it is good and it workith. For John made the 1911, and lo all of his weapons, from the designs which I, the Lord, gave him upon the mountain.”
2 “And shouldst thou muck with it, and hang all manner of foul implements upon it, and profane its internal parts, thou shalt surely have malfunctions, and in the midst of battle thou shalt surely come to harm.”
3 And as the ages passed men in their ignorance and arrogance didst forget the word of the Lord and began to profane the 1911. The tribe of the gamesman did place recoil spring guides and extended slide releases upon the 1911 and their metal smiths didst tighten the tolerances and alter parts to their liking, their clearness of mind being clouded by lust.
4 Their artisans did hang all manner of foul implements upon the 1911 and did so alter it that it became impractical to purchase. For lo, the artisans didst charge a great tax upon the purchasers of the 1911 so that the lowly field worker could not afford one. And the profaning of the internal parts didst render it unworkable when the dust of the land fell upon it, and these profaners didst try and fit more rounds of ammunition into the magazines than the holy number of seven, appointed for the .45.
5 And lo, they didst install adjustable sights, which are an abomination unto the Lord. For they doth break and lose their zero when thou dost need true aim. And those who have done so will be slain in great numbers by their enemies in the great battle.
6 And it came to pass that the Lord didst see the abomination wrought by man and didst cause, as he had warned, fearful malfunctions to come upon the abominations and upon the artisans who thought they could do no wrong.
7 Seeing the malfunctions and the confusion of men, the lord of the underworld did see an opportunity to further ensnare man and didst bring forth pistols made of plastic, whose form was such that they looked and felt like a brick, yet the eyes of man being clouded, they were consumed by the plastic pistol and did buy vast quantities of them.
8 And being a deceitful spirit, the lord of the underworld did make these plastic pistols unamenable to the artisans of earth and they were unable to muck much with the design, and lo these pistols did appear to function.
9 And the evil one also brought forth pistols in which the trigger didst both cock and fire them and which require a “dingus” to make them appear safe.
10 But man being stupid did not understand these new pistols and didst proceed to shoot themselves with the plastic pistol and with the trigger cocking pistols for lo their manual of arms required great intelligence which man had long since forsaken. Yet man continue to gloat over these new pistols blaming evil forces for the negligent discharges which they themselves had committed.
11 And when man had been totally ensnared with the plastic pistol, the lord of the underworld didst cause a plague of the terrible Ka-Boom to descend upon man and the plastic pistols delivered their retribution upon men. And there was a great wailing and gnashing of teeth in the land.
12 Then seeing that the eyes of man were slowly being opened and that man was truly sorrowful for his sinful misdeeds, the Lord did send his messengers in the form of artisans who did hear and obey the teachings of the prophet and who didst restore the profaned 1911s to their proper configuration, and lo, to the amazement of men they didst begin to work as the prophet had intended.
13 And the men of the land didst drive out the charlatans and profaners from the land, and there was joy and peace in the land, except for the evil sprits which tried occasionally to prey on the men and women of the land and who were sent to the place of eternal damnation b by the followers of John.
a Several old manuscripts add the following text. “And they [also rendered as “these men”] didst chamber it for cartridges who's calibers startith with numbers less than the Holy Number 4. And lo the Lord did cause great grief amongst these men when their enemies who were struck in battle with these lesser numbers didst not fall but did continue to cause great harm.”
Disagree. If your not competent enough to carry a loaded weapon safely, you should probably leave it at home.
Uhh...no. You carry your weapon in a proper holster, know your weapon and don’t unintentionally pull the trigger.
A pistol with a chambered round is no different than a DA revolver. Carrying a weapon takes humility and a profound respect for what the weapon can do. No one with any brains tucks a weapon into their waistband without a holster - that is a failure to comprehend the solemn duty of being safe.
The bad guy already has the element of surprise...I’m not going to cede even a fraction of a second to him - that’s why I carry chambered. I might need my other hand to hold him off, you never know. I just have to point and pull; exactly how I like it to be.