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Beechcraft Bailout Gone Bust
Second Line of Defense ^ | 11/20/2011 | Ed Timperlake

Posted on 11/21/2011 10:46:00 AM PST by DefenseMatters

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Goldman Sachs owns Hawker Beechcraft and they both got caught trying to steal taxpayer dollars with the AT-6 scam. There really is no AT-6 - only a half-working prototype - and the "jobs" they talked about creating were a fantasy. The USAF killed the Beechcraft Bailout and we ought to be glad about that. As SLD points out in the article -- the only plane capabale of providing srvice and value to the American Taxpayer is still alive in this competiiton -- the A-29 Super Tucano
1 posted on 11/21/2011 10:46:00 AM PST by DefenseMatters
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To: DefenseMatters

The attempt at legal analysis in the article is pathetic.


2 posted on 11/21/2011 10:49:14 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DefenseMatters

The a-29 is made by Embraer, a Brazilian company. Looks like another George Soros decision.


3 posted on 11/21/2011 10:51:33 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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The A-29 Super Tucano will be proudly built in Jacksonville, Fla., with parts and services from more than 70 U.S. companies in 21 states.

This contract will immediately support the creation of at least 50 new jobs on the final assembly line in Jacksonville, and will help support at least 1,200 more jobs across America. Some 60 U.S. companies will supply components that will go into the Super T or services related to the LAS contract.

Sierra Nevada Corporation (SNC), the contract lead, currently employs more than 2,100 people at 29 locations in 15 states. Embraer North America has been in the United States for over 30 years, and employs 800 people in Florida; Arizona; Tennessee; Minnesota; and Connecticut. The company recently opened a new executive jet production facility in Melbourne that is creating 200 new jobs. The Jacksonville facility will augment this ongoing U.S. production.

Embraer is the world’s third-largest aircraft manufacturer and sources a majority of its component parts – across all business lines – from the United States. More than 7,000 U.S. jobs are supported as a result of Embraer’s component purchases

http://builtforthemission.com/american-made.php


4 posted on 11/21/2011 11:19:27 AM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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It would appear the best aircraft won... as it should be, our airmen deserve nothing but the best, wherever it comes from


5 posted on 11/21/2011 11:21:15 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: frithguild
Spoken like a public relations person for this Brazilian company.
6 posted on 11/21/2011 11:30:50 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: joe fonebone

These are prop planes which we are apparently building and then plan to give away to countries such as Afghanistan.


7 posted on 11/21/2011 11:37:04 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DefenseMatters

Almost sounds as if this “Brazilian” company is really an American company that has it HQ in a place that has lower taxes.


8 posted on 11/21/2011 11:42:04 AM PST by glaseatr (Father of a Marine, Uncle of SGT Adam Estep. A Co. 2/5 Cav. KIA Thurs April 29, 2004 Baghdad Iraq)
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Almost, unless you consider the Board of Directors does not have one American on it.

No its a foreign owned and operated company which figured out the Americans would outsource military defense contracts.


9 posted on 11/21/2011 11:48:10 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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yes they are prop jobs.......but they are to be used in counter insurgency roles...they get way better fuel consuption than a jet, carry a crapload of ordinance, and have better loiter time... a tool that is needed in our arsenel... the ground pounders that have had these at their disposal love them, they are a great ground support tool ( to be used after air superiority is established) I do not believe they are slated to be “given away”


10 posted on 11/21/2011 11:52:30 AM PST by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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The a-29 is made by Embraer, a Brazilian company. Looks like another George Soros decision.

Spoken like Kip Chalmers

11 posted on 11/21/2011 11:53:53 AM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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Perhaps you think outsourcing Americas defense infrastructure to semi-friendly countries is a good thing, I don’t.

Perhaps you aren’t motivated by a strong America though.


12 posted on 11/21/2011 11:58:05 AM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: DefenseMatters

Buy a Mooney!
http://www.mooney.com/index.php

;o)


13 posted on 11/21/2011 12:09:21 PM PST by Liberty Valance (Keep a simple manner for a happy life :o)
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Perhaps you think outsourcing Americas defense infrastructure to semi-friendly countries is a good thing, I don’t.

I believe giving our forces the available tools they ask for, without nonsense preventing it.

14 posted on 11/21/2011 12:10:06 PM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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“I believe giving our forces the available tools they ask for, without nonsense preventing it.”

Nonsense? Procurement of items “vital to our nations defense” from foreign sources is nonsense?

Spoken like a true Benedict Arnold.


15 posted on 11/21/2011 12:12:23 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Nonsense? Procurement of items “vital to our nations defense” from foreign sources is nonsense?

So we can buy 100 planes that don't exist from the Canadian owned company with a presence in Kansas or 100 that do exist from the Brazilian owned company with a presence in Fla.

Actually, if I follow you, this plane should be bought from a 100% US owned company - so I guess we should buy no planes at all.

So yes, nonsense is all that you have stated.

16 posted on 11/21/2011 12:42:20 PM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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strawmans are easy

but hey don’t let me interrupt you’re celebration of a foreign owned and operated company getting our defense contracts.


17 posted on 11/21/2011 12:47:03 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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strawmans are easy

You would know.

18 posted on 11/21/2011 12:48:40 PM PST by frithguild (Restricting access to capital - Liberalism: The sharpest tool of big business, banks, etc.)
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Stating the FACT that this company is foreign owned and operated is not a strawman.

So either you work for this company or you are from Brazil, which one is it?


19 posted on 11/21/2011 12:51:28 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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Whoever they buy from it is money flushed down the toilet. With a trillion dollar budget deficit we are buying the planes for Karzai’s Afghanistan, who said recently that in a war between Pakistan and the US, Afghanistan would side with the Pakistan (who’s ISI supported the Taliban that hosted Al Qaeda). Afghanistan within it’s present borders was created to serve as a buffer state between British India and Czarist Russia, an obsolete function. We would better served by allowing Afghanistan to breakup along racial and linguistic lines, the breakup would be bloody and messy, but it would not be our blood. Fighting over the merits of either plane is just arguing over the most efficient way of doing something that it makes no sense to do.


20 posted on 11/21/2011 12:54:09 PM PST by fallujah-nuker (Pat Buchanan, kryptonite to RINO's)
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