Posted on 11/21/2011 7:51:39 PM PST by Kevmo
Defkalion Nearly Ready, NASA Files Patent, Piantelli Silent
Posted on November 21, 2011
http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/21/defkalion-nearly-ready-nasa-files-patent-piantelli-silent/
Defkalion Green Technologies of Greece continues to publicly speak as if their version of Andrea Rossi’s e-Cat will soon ready for the market. For those new to the story, or just as a refresher, Defkalion was Andrea Rossi’s original business partner but there was a sudden and quite public break with Rossi in August. At that the time both sides claimed that the split was over a financial dispute but, accordingly to a news article in a Greek publication, Tovima, there was more to the split than previously reported, as pointed out in this exchange:
Tovima: “So the rift between you was not due only to non-payment of first installment repayment, said Mr. Rossi?
Alexander Xanthoulis: “Not sure. We had finished the 15 million dollars of first dose, but Mr. Rossi did not sign the protocol of receipt, asking him to meet parameters such as the stable operation of the device for at least 48 hours. This was the real cause of the interruption of cooperation, but not celebrated in the media because they want to continue a deleterious confrontation. Us interested in real progress, and this success. The technology will present a few days the world will be entirely Greek and appreciate its contribution to the overthrow of what exists in the energy market. “
Stability issues with Rossi’s reactor have long been rumored, with such talk first appearing just around the time of the split .
A blog post from a Swedish blogger around that time reported that part of the dispute centered around Rossi’s inability to demonstrate the stability of his reactor. This information supposedly came from a Defkalion insider. However, that same blogger later posted a retraction stating it was a hoax and that he posted the information mainly to see how far the rumor would spread. Therefore, this information was widely assumed to have been false up to this time. The statements by Alexander Xanthoulis seem to give it new credence, although its veracity still cannot be verified. Again, one has to remember that these statements are being made by an entity who is a Rossi competitor and they need to be interpreted in that context. Rossi also vehemently denies that his core technology was ever transferred to Defkalion and the fact is that the latter has yet to demonstrate anything of substance to prove they a valid technology .
Accordingly to the article, and based on previous press releases from Defkalion, an announcement will be made in the coming weeks regarding final certifications and third-party testing. This is not the first time Defkalion has made similar statements, so I think the appropriate approach at this juncture is to remain appropriately cautious but keep one eye towards Greece in the coming weeks .
Admittedly, it is becoming difficult to focus on the dizzying array of expected announcements and revelations that are expected in the coming days regarding cold fusion/LENR. In addition to reported announcements by Defkalion, Prof. Sven Kullander of the Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences is scheduled to give a lecture on November 23 regarding Andrea Rossi’s technology, and on December 10 Brian Ahern is expected to present his theory regarding LENR. In a related but still different tangent, results from the research group of Dr. George Miley regarding results of their device with a new batch of material provided by Ahern is expected in the coming days .
BUT THERE IS MORE……
In the midst of the publicity regarding Andrea Rossi, a NASA associate has applied for yet another LENR-related patent. The patent date of filing is listed as March 24, 2011 and date published October 20, 2011. Details of the patent application are listed here. The inventors is listed as Joseph Zawodny and the assignee is listed as “USA as represented by the Administrator of NASA.”
Once again, NASA’s involvement and interest in this technology is significant. The agency first replicated the technology as far back as 1989, even though no public acknowledgement of this was forthcoming until October of this year, some 22 years later. It was NASA chief scientist Dennis Bushnell who, a month after this patent was filed, stated:
“I think were almost over the “we don’t understand it” problem. I think we’re almost over the “this doesn’t produce anything useful” problem. So I think this will go forward fairly rapidly now and, if it does, this is capable of, by itself, completely changing geoeconomics, geopolitics and solving climate and energy.” link
NASA representatives also reportedly evaluated both Andrea Rossi’s e-Cat and the device of fellow Italian Francesco Piantelli in September and Dr. George Miley reports that he has been in talks with NASA to implement his device. Brian Ahern’s association with NASA is not entirely clear but it is reported that his previous employer, Quantum Energy Technologies Corp, was the “potential customer” present with NASA representatives during the September evaluations of the Rossi and Piantelli devices .
Speaking of Piantelli, I have mentioned his name frequently in past articles as he is a very important figure in the development of cold fusion/LENR. His former research associate, Prof. Sergio Focardi, now works with Andrea Rossi and actually filed patents with him on this technology in the 1990s. A picture of the machine, or one very similar, he used to prepare nickel for his reactor was included in the Tovima article referenced above .
Whether Defkalion has been licensed to use this machine, purchased the machine or the editors of the Tovima article simply took the liberty of using an image of the machine is unclear .
Nickel Prep Machine Used by Francesco Piantelli
What is clear is that Prof. Francesco Piantelli has remained remarkably silent during this whole affair. Besides reports that NASA and Quantum Energy Technologies evaluated his device in September 2011, very little information is known as to the status of his work. In contrast to Rossi, who is admittedly flamboyant and has a penchant for self-promotion, Piantelli is remarkably quiet and cautious. He has filed, and obtained, numerous European patents on cold/LENR cold fusion technology going back to the 1990s (with Sergio Focardi) and more recently in 2008 and April of 2011. Although his silence can be maddening to some observers, even to his own supporters, I would not be surprised if he surfaces with something significant in the very near future .
Of note, Piantelli also does not believe the mechanism of the anomalous heat production is fusion, much like Brian Ahern, NASA and even Rossi. Like Ahern, Piantelli claims he has a theoretical explanation for his reaction that fits within the bounds of current scientific models. With Brian Ahern soon to present his theory publicly, it will be interesting to see how soon after Piantelli follows suit. If not, perhaps it would be best for his associates to respectfully nudge him and inform him that the race has begun .
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Unfortunately, if Rossi did the following:
1) hired a bunch of actors to pretend to be the customer reps,
2) created an elaborate year-long special-effects-derived series of demos,
3) bribed, hypnotised or otherwise fooled Focardi, Levi, Kullander, Essen, Bianchini, Stremmenos
4) arranged for Piantelli, Miley and a host of others to try to fool the world into thinking that cold fusion was real,
5) got NASA, SPAWAR, The Defense Threat Reduction Agency and The Defense Intelligence Agency to say nice things about the field,
6) got Bushnell to make a fool of himself,
7) and convinced his former partners to set up another company called Ampenergo to pretend that they had a contract for The Americas for a substantial sum ----- or that they just did this with no proof because they have worked with Rossi and trust him because he’s such a fine fellow,
8) sold his profitable company to his ex-partners in order to spend that wealth on a multi-million dollar scam; ----- certain that once he got all the above ducks in a row he would pretend to sell the first device ----- and then reel in the true target of his dastardly plan
9) and convinced a bunch of Greek crooks to set up a dummy company called Defkalion ----- to pretend to fight with him over the non-existent eCat, ----- to perpetuate the illusion and spin it off into a competing mirror-scam
[the second (this time genuine) buyer of a 1MW plant that will net him $2 million dollars ----- until they want their money back or sucker a $100 million dollar deal under the table ----- because he has experience in pulling the wool over all these idiotic eyes ----- and knows that they will just take his word for it ----- and not want to test if his 1MW plant can heat a small village without truckloads of coal or oil or a big fat electric cable coming into the container from beneath the floor (no you can’t lift the carpet!) ]
10) and that, in order to pull this off, Rossi had to risk discovery by interviewing all the people he subsequently fooled so that he could only invite the gullible Professors and not the brilliant anonymous posters on the Internet who surely would have found him out
then, yes, all bets are off and I’m with the guys who think that Rossi is an idiot and they are all geniuses.
http://e-catsite.com/2011/11/21/defkalion-nearly-ready-nasa-files-patent-piantelli-silent/
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I think this means that the turf battles will begin.
Where are they? I don’t see any seagull crap on this thread!
They’ll be here.
Your post reads like a gossip column for crackpots.
NASA is a science organization. They’ll go after peer review & independent verification, that sort of thing. But that isn’t what this patent is all about. What it is about, is they are starting to claim their territory in this upcoming turf battle. The direct claim of descent from the Widom-Larson theory is a shot across the bow while at the same time giving the hot-fusion boys their due. NASA is politics central in terms of the politics of science.
This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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This will be my standard post to you that says you’re not worth trying to have reasonable discussion, also says “buzz off” & doesn’t leave crickets. But if it offends you to the point that you get it removed like my prior innocuous citation then I’ll have to come up with some other ‘ignore button’ post.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/backroom/2800058/posts?page=55#55
To: Moonman62
This means I have nothing more to say to you about LENR. Bye.
55 posted on Sunday, October 30, 2011 4:41:07 PM by Kevmo (Caveat lurkor pro se ipso judicatis: Let the lurker decide for himself)
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So how will that effect the coming to market of this cold fusion application?
***Hard to say. Their interest isn’t necessarily in getting power generation to the multitudes; it is in finding a better propulsion for space vehicles.
This may sound off topic, but...
Just curious, Isn’t there a guy in California who took his idea for Oxygen generation on Mars and converted it to Power Generation? The Cube? (something like that)
Earlier post about NASA sitting on this for a while is what provokes my thoughts. Is this a Tech-War thing? What other ideas have we lost or sat on while someone else runs with the ball?
I mean this patent somehow strikes me as askew timing.
This is the 3rd organization that claims to have LENR tech, yet you are still focused on Rossi. Do you have some OCD fixation with the guy? Multiple technologies would indicate to me that it’s feasible on some level. Is NASA and Defkalion all part of the grand insidious conspiracy to defraud the world?
NASA's LENR claim has nothing to do with Rossi. It was Kevmo's article that brought up the association.
NASA representatives also reportedly evaluated both Andrea Rossi’s e-Cat ...
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