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Live Thread: Republican Presidential Debate on National Security 8 P.M. EST 11/22/11 on CNN
Tuesday, November 22, 2011 | Kristinn

Posted on 11/22/2011 3:37:12 PM PST by kristinn

Hosted by the Heritage Foundation and the American Enterprise Institute, the theme of tonight's Republican presidential debate is foreign policy and national security.

The debate is being held at Constitution Hall in Washington, D.C.

CNN is carrying the debate live at 8 p.m. EST.

Participating candidates are: businessman Herman Cain, former Massachusetts Gov. Mitt Romney, Texas Gov. Rick Perry, former Speaker Newt Gingrich, Reps. Ron Paul (TX) and Michele Bachmann (MN), former Gov. Jon Huntsman, and former Sen. Rick Santorum.


TOPICS: Breaking News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: 2012; 2012debates; 2012gopdebate; bachmann; cain; cnngopdebate; debate; elections; gingrich; gop; gopdebate; gopsecuritydebate; huntsman; nationalsecurity; nationsecurity; paul; perry; romney; ronpaul; santorum
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To: alstewartfan
Yes, I know that, that "she", decided not run. But, the "she" I was referring to in my post that you replied-to was this "she".
2,061 posted on 11/23/2011 5:30:00 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: alstewartfan
Yes, I know that, that "she", decided not run. But, the "she" I was referring to in my post that you replied-to was this "she".
2,062 posted on 11/23/2011 5:30:07 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: alstewartfan
Yes, I know that, that "she", decided not run. But, the "she" I was referring to in my post that you replied-to was this "she".
2,063 posted on 11/23/2011 5:30:16 PM PST by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: editor-surveyor
the GOP elite establishment... helps them elect liberals masquerading as conservatives

Doesn't mean Cain, Bachmann, and Perry have to go along with it. I think if they pooled their resources and support, they could put together fewer and much more meaningful appearances and discussions steered by agreed-on CONSERVATIVE moderators and ground rules.

Walk away from the GOP establishment, get the votes, and the GOP will come crying after you like it did with Reagan.

2,064 posted on 11/23/2011 5:43:36 PM PST by PapaNew
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To: topfile
The black vote unfortunately will not budge.

Looks like "The Klan with a Tan" is doing a good job.

2,065 posted on 11/23/2011 5:43:59 PM PST by ROCKLOBSTER ( Celebrate Republicans Freed the Slaves Month.)
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To: topfile
With all due respect, you're wrong about that.

"The Black vote" doesn't even know who Cain is yet. A good number of them don't even know he's black yet. That's because most Democrats aren't even paying any attention to what the Republicans are doing right now, other than soundbites they hear on TV or see in a headline. I'm talking about average Joe citizens, not political junkies like us. And the black community is typically even less engaged in politics than the average white Democrat, so they know even less about Cain.

Any poll conducted now, that includes Democrats is going to go to Obama almost every time. (1) Obama has the sitting President factor. (2) Romney has been running for 7 years and nobody on OUR side even likes him, so you can't expect any Dems to vote for him. (3) As for the other Repub candidates, we haven't chosen our candidate so Dems don't know who any of the other players are (except Newt). (4) We haven't promoted our nominee against Obama.

So when we choose our nominee, whoever that is, we will start bombarding the airwaves with campaign ads point out "How's that hope and change working out for you??" So ANY candidate that we choose will start to do better after we choose one, because we will start to contrast him/her with Obama.

If we choose Cain, THEN the black vote will suddenly realize that not only is he black, but he shares the same values as a lot of them do -- especially the over 50 crowd, who had values and work ethic.

Lastly, take a look at this article from Morehouse College - Cain's alma mater - which is an HBCU (Historically Black Colleges and Universities):

At Morehouse College, the Herman Cain question is a live wire

The article says, as we already know, that Cain will get a look simply because he is black.

2,066 posted on 11/23/2011 6:09:40 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: BagCamAddict
With all due respect, you're wrong about that. "The Black vote" doesn't even know who Cain is yet.

IF he wins the nomination, I hope you're proven correct. You've made some very good points.

Can Cain resonant with black voters to the extent that their awakened conservative members pull the lever for him? I don't know now, but I like your optimism.

2,067 posted on 11/23/2011 6:51:40 PM PST by topfile
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To: kjam22

In this economy, if you have lost your job, I’d say u would do most any job to keep your house, car and put food on the table.

Maybe u would not, but most would, in TODAYS economy.


2,068 posted on 11/23/2011 7:12:40 PM PST by tennmountainman
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To: topfile

Polls are not fool-proof. Giuliani was poll leader 4 years ago. The recent thread on comments from students at Morehouse college (all black college) were more enlightening to me than a poll whose demographics could be suspect. Never forget, blood is thicker than water.


2,069 posted on 11/23/2011 7:49:30 PM PST by federal__reserve (What matters in 2012 is jobs, jobs, jobs! Jobs kill unemployment, foreclosures & deficits)
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To: topfile
The pollsters right now are having a hard time giving numbers on “the black vote” right now because so few blacks are Republican or Republican-leaning. That's all they are polling right now, other than the national polls, which include Candidate X vs. Obama. But as I said, those polls are always going to lean towards Obama because people vote on name recognition. If you ask the average Democrat in Seattle, who would you vote for, Obama or Cain, they have never heard of Cain, but they know he's Republican, so they vote for Obama every time. With Romney, they may have heard of him (due to his liberal social record), but he still has an R by his name, so they vote for Obama. When asked TODAY.

There was a poll about a month ago, before the sexual harassment allegations, and it had enough of a percentage of black respondents to give some numbers for comparison. The poll separately compared:

Obama vs. Romney
Obama vs. (either Perry or Gingrich, I can't remember)
Obama vs. Cain

In the Obama vs. Romney and Obama vs. (Perry or Gingrich) polls, the not-Romney vote got 3-4 percent of the black vote.

In the Obama vs. Cain poll, Cain got 7 percent of the black vote.

I know that's small, but I found it to be telling. First, it was a month ago — before Cain is courting the black vote, before Republicans are even running against Obama. And second, the fact that there was any difference in the black vote at all in ANY Republican, at this stage of the race, indicates there is a huge potential to reach a much larger percentage of the black vote, once the effort is made to do so.

Make no mistake, Cain will visit these HBCUs, and a decent percentage of those college kids (who are all easily persuaded, because they are kids) will swing to Cain... and swing their parents... and start talking up Cain on Facebook and Twitter and MySpace...

And one more thing we know for sure: The black vote swings in a wave... They haven't made individual decisions in a long time. So if Cain gets a groundswell going in the black community, it will be like a domino effect. 1000 votes will become 100,000 will become millions.

Have faith my FRiend. (Speaking of faith — don't forget the impact Cain's church can have on the vote in the black community.)

2,070 posted on 11/23/2011 8:24:49 PM PST by BagCamAddict (If Perry had been asked about the Cain 999 plan, he would have said: 9, 9, .......what?)
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To: Tea4two
Not even a snack left for the Viking kittens on Thanksgiving.


2,071 posted on 11/24/2011 6:03:42 AM PST by Arrowhead1952 (Dear God, thanks for the rain, but please let it rain more in Texas. Amen.)
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To: Captain Kirk

Intervening in Syria ?

With what goal ? Spreading islamism and setting fire to all the region like ObHamas is already doing ?

Are you mad ?
Don’t you realize what’s going on now ? Obomba has triggered a time-bomb( i fear it was deliberatly !)

Islamism will spread then all over europe much more with that jeopardy....You will get it in USA.

Time to stop the fairy tales and kumbaya songs.

Santorum was right. THe fight is against “radical islam” but islam IS radical....
Time to have a responsible and relevant strategy based on a relevant analysis


2,072 posted on 11/24/2011 6:53:06 AM PST by Ulysse (a)
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To: tennmountainman

I don’t agree with you. You and I would do what is necessary to support our families. I think most wouldn’t. I think there are a lot of jobs that a lot of americans won’t do... even in this economy.


2,073 posted on 11/24/2011 9:48:40 AM PST by kjam22
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To: baysider
Perry’s view about imposing a no-fly zone over Syria appears to be a realistic approach...

Only if we don't commit combat forces to it, because we don't need another nation-building war. Obozo already got us into one with Libya and that isn't working out too well. Plus we shouldn't be nation-building to begin with, we should only be dealing with direct threats to our national security. I don't give a damn how many Syrians get slaughtered by their own government.
2,074 posted on 11/24/2011 3:28:17 PM PST by af_vet_rr
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To: Ulysse
Intervening in Syria ? With what goal ? Spreading islamism and setting fire to all the region like ObHamas is already doing ? Are you mad ? Don’t you realize what’s going on now ? Obomba has triggered a time-bomb( i fear it was deliberatly !) Santorum was right. THe fight is against “radical islam” but islam IS radical.... Time to have a responsible and relevant strategy based on a relevant analysis

Why do you think I thought anything of the sort?

I'm AGAINST intervening in Syria and, I thought, made that crystal clear. Speaking of wrong impressions, Santorum is FOR intervention in Syria. The only guy on the stage who was against intervention in both Libya and Syria is Ron Paul.

2,075 posted on 11/25/2011 10:33:24 AM PST by Captain Kirk
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To: antceecee
"Are you from DU? What an idiotic response! No one speaks of killing anyone but you. What a freak you are!"

They don't speak of killing them because they're open-border, Mexican-loving, anti-American RINO SOB's. If their names are John, they should really be Juan. If Michael, we should call them Miguel.

REAL border hawks aren't content with mere deportation. Only the RINOS. The real partriots support execution.

Hank

2,076 posted on 11/25/2011 9:21:38 PM PST by County Agent Hank Kimball (Screw it. Newt's the smartest candidate and the guy I want to see debating Obummer. Flame away.)
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To: advertising guy

because I don’t support big government republicans?


2,077 posted on 11/30/2011 10:41:27 AM PST by bjcoop
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