Posted on 11/23/2011 7:25:37 AM PST by jessduntno
Transcript;
NEWT GINGRICH:
Well, I think if you have a secure border, if you've established that English is the official language of government, if you have a requirement for learning history in order to be an American, and American history to be an American citizen, and if you have an effective guest worker program, which means it's probably been outsourced to American Express, Visa or MasterCard, because they know how to stop fraud, at that point, I think you've got to look at a new and much more creative solution for the people who are here.
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Some people here ought to go home. Some people here, are engaged in criminal activity and ought to go home immediately.
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Other people, day workers, no ties to the U.S., probably should go home.
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But you have somebody who's been here 20, 25 years, they've been obeying the law, they've been paying taxes, they're married, they've got three kids, two grandkids, they're a member of your church, I think the local community's going to say - not give them citizenship, that would be wrong, but we need to find a path to enable them to be engaged legally in working and living in America within a framework that does not jump over everybody else who has been waiting, but that does recognize that that person has real ties here, and that there be a greater human cost to tearing them out of the fabric of a society in which they've invested 20 or 25 years.
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I think we need local boards that apply a human approach to trying to deal with this with some sympathy, but that's also very tough with criminals and very tough with people that have no ties to the U.S. and should go back home immediately.
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What he said is here to read. Try reading the entirety and see how wrongly this was interpreted.He went on, in part to say;
GINGRICH: I do not believe that the people of the United States are going to take people who have been here a quarter century, who have children and grandchildren, who are members of the community, who may have done something 25 years ago, separate them from their families, and expel them.
I do believe if you've been here recently and have no ties to the U.S., we should deport you. I do believe we should control the border. I do believe we should have very severe penalties for employers, but I would urge all of you to look at the Krieble Foundation Plan;
http://redcardsolution.com/index.php
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I don't see how the -- the party that says it's the party of the family is going to adopt an immigration policy which destroys families that have been here a quarter century. And I'm prepared to take the heat for saying, let's be humane in enforcing the law without giving them citizenship but by finding a way to create legality so that they are not separated from their families."
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I, for one, hope that he is right. Seal the border, deport those who have no roots but look at those that do, since we gave them that option in the 80's. He should know; he worked on it with a Republican President, Ronald Reagan.
They didn't get what they were supposed to, we all know that, but we can't change history. What we do with the fallout determines the fate of a lot of people in this country, some who should go, some who might qualify to stay, but with this plan, I can live with that, but NOT the Dream Act.
No. They've been DEFYING the law for 20, 25 years.
they've been paying taxes,
Using a stolen or fake Socialist Security Number. But I suppose that's another law they've been obeying for 20, 25 years.
they're married, they've got three kids, two grandkids, they're a member of your church,
,Or they're single moms who came here for the express purpose of popping out kids and freeloading at the taxpayers' expense.
I think the local community's going to say - not give them citizenship, that would be wrong,
No. The local community is saying apply for citizenship. Use the system we have in place.
but we need to find a path to enable them to be engaged legally in working and living in America within a framework that does not jump over everybody else who has been waiting,
We already have that. It's called The Immigration And Naturalization Service.
but that does recognize that that person has real ties here, and that there be a greater human cost to tearing them out of the fabric of a society in which they've invested 20 or 25 years.
Okay, Mr. Smart Guy, and just what is that solution? Oh. I know. Kick the very people's who vote you seek in the teeth. Brilliant strategy. Good luck with that.
I'm tired of paying taxes to support illegals. Making them “legal” will give them even more government benefits that I will have to pay for out of my hard earned money.
If they are so darn industrious let them go back to their homeland and help their own Country. At least there they will speak the language.
For someone to illegally stay in a country for 20, 25, 30 years, rarely entails that they only break one law (coming in bypassing Federal Immigration Laws) and then somehow miraculously remaining clean and model citizens for the rest of that time is necessarily a patently unsustainable proposition and no evidence to the contrary notwithstanding can be easily presented by Speaker Gingrich and his spokespeople today. There is a whole, established human slavery/underground network of fellow travelers one must stay in contact with and deal with as an illegal alien on US soil, keeping well under the INS (and now INS/DHS) radar. Issuers of phony drivers licenses (until recently), phony SSN's, phony birth certificates, not reporting wages, phony Western Union transfers, assistance to other relatives to come illegally thus participating in an elaborate underground railway that skirts the border sovereignty of the United States, misstatements by the person with more LIES to cover up the lie of their living in the USA, such as true location of birth, citizenship, lying on form after form after form, including mortgages, and the like. It makes no difference if they have illegally been in the country since 2009 or 1989 or 1969, the whole thing in these families is built upon the presumption of a GRAND, DISONEST LIE and they necessarily had to lie and cheat many times along the way to stay here under the radar, and the same time, many millions of would be legal residents and permanent aliens had to line up at US Embassies abroad and go through a battery of tests, interviews, document checks, background checks, loyalty checks, proof of livelihood and not being a social burden in the USA, fingerprints, checks for diseases, checks for sanity and criminal records, sworn affadavits, filing fees (massive) and the like. (Incidentially, few if any of these "20 and 30 year neighbors we all know, who work with us, go to school and church and work with us, are community members, etc, had to do ANY OF THESE CUMBERSOME US EMBSSSY CONSULAR AND I.N.S. REQUIREMENGS BECAUSE THEY WOULD BE DISCOVERED AS ILLEGAL AND PERHAPS DEPORTED. Gingrich suggests we reward illegal behavior and it is unsustainable, clear and simple. The assertion is illogical, if not dishonest not to mention patently unfari to LEGAL IMMIGRANTS.
And the second thing. If I were trying to dislodge Newt Gingrich as a conservative in the so-called "top tier" in this GOP race in these next few weeks, I would get the PRECISE NUMBER OF AMERICAN CITIZENS KILED ON US SOIL OVER THE LAST 25 YEARS BY ILLEGAL ALIENS WHO HAD BEEN IN THE USA FOR MORE THAN 10 YEARS. Thirdly, I would have a joint press conference with the leader of any family rights' group of American victims of illegal aliens who oppose any form of amnesty for those who have no business on US soil. Gingrich let himself wide open for an AMAZING broadside by Conservatives on this issue, with his latest articulation of that most nefarious and nasty brand of "conservatism", so called "compassionate conservatism" (which is inherently liberalism) which is responsible for lax immigration laws which have not only resulted in the deaths of literally THOUSANDS of our Fellow Americans in the USA --unfathomable in most reasonable countries-but also allowed a system whereby the nineteen 9-11 hijackers could move freely around, easily get drivers licenses, have free reign of walking unfetterred in our national territory. Newt really soiled himself on this one on granting amnesty to illegals and I hope my guy for example, Herman Cain, really ramps up on this issue ASAP.
I recall seeing the program working in the San Joaquin Valley, 1950,51. A farmer's association aircraft pilot was a friend of my father and visited our home several times. If such were to be introduced it nust require the illegals wishing to be part of it to return to Mexico and apply. And they should not receive preference. The labor companies hiring workers should not be part of any US agency. The farmers do need help!
I heard on a local Houston radio show that more Americans have been killed on US soil, by illegals, than troops have been lost in the Iraqi war - during the same timeframe. I haven’t confirmed this, though. I think it was on Michael Berry’s show.
Bracero program, which the democrats ended.
“Okay, Mr. Smart Guy, and just what is that solution? Oh. I know. Kick the very people’s who vote you seek in the teeth. Brilliant strategy. Good luck with that.”
You turned what he said on its head. He said he disagreed with allowing short timers to stay here. You obviously did not read the post or the transcript.
If we don’t have the time or the patience to read what was actually said or proposed, then God help us all.
i heard this too ... that definitely makes it a major, national security issue
that’s it - the Dems, yes - and that labor union had a lot to do with it.
Yes, Caesar Chavez and the Commie Union Workers.
Wow. That's a lof IFs. Are those things you would pursue as President, Newt. Or are you just "thinking out loud"?
Some people here ought to go home. Some people here, are engaged in criminal activity and ought to go home immediately.
They OUGHT to go home? Wow. Tough talk there, Newt. You sure you don't want to tone it down a bit?
Other people, day workers, no ties to the U.S., probably should go home.
Probably? Now THAT'S going too far.
But you have somebody who's been here 20, 25 years, they've been obeying the law, they've been paying taxes, they're married, they've got three kids, two grandkids, they're a member of your church, I think the local community's going to say - not give them citizenship, that would be wrong, but we need to find a path to enable them to be engaged legally in working and living in America within a framework that does not jump over everybody else who has been waiting, but that does recognize that that person has real ties here, and that there be a greater human cost to tearing them out of the fabric of a society in which they've invested 20 or 25 years.
You already know what I said about this part.
I think we need local boards that apply a human approach to trying to deal with this with some sympathy,
Ah. So on top of being inhumane, we're unsympathetic. Thank you for pointing that out. Newt in '12! Newt in '12! Newt in '12!
but that's also very tough with criminals and very tough with people that have no ties to the U.S. and should go back home immediately.
Oh, good. Glad to see you're all for being tough on criminals. One question, though, Commodore. What is the difference between someone who engages in illegal activity such as crossing a border without authorization and a criminal? Take your time. I know this is a tricky question.
There. I read the whole thing. Satisfied?
Now I have a question for you and Newt. What is so humane, what is so sympathetic, what is so loving about encouraging and enticing people to come here illegally and thereby virtually guaranteeing they will live their entire lives here in the shadows? What is so compassionate about deceiving people into giving their life's savings to a human trafficker who leave them to die in the desert at the first sign of trouble or who lure desperate young girls into a life of drugs and prostitution?
WE are not the problem, Mr. Speaker. Self-serving, self-aggrandizing, self-righteous ambitious polluticians like yourself who make excuses or otherwise look the other way while others sell humans into lifetimes of servitude and then point the blame at others who have no other power than that of the pen are the problem.
Other than that, you're a great guy.
“I know this is a tricky question. There. I read the whole thing. Satisfied? Now I have a question for you and Newt. What is so humane, what is so sympathetic, what is so loving about encouraging and enticing people to come here illegally and thereby virtually guaranteeing they will live their entire lives here in the shadows?”
He’s talking about people who have already been here, not that are new. What part of this don’t you understand?
You’ve got your mind made up, so there is no use talking about it. Just keep railing about the what ifs and the maybes and the things that aren’t being said. You are deaf to it all, I get it, you know that we’re screwed and that everyone’s lying and no one gives a shit. That’ll prep you for the next four years of Obama.
Those aren't my what-ifs, they're his.
Obviously he's trying to take both sides of this issue. That's what we're sick of and that's not how you fix a problem.
All President Gingrich would do is kick the can down the road.
Newt's new contract:
"Newt really soiled himself on this one on granting amnesty to illegals and I hope my guy for example, Herman Cain, really ramps up on this issue ASAP."
When you folks use a talking points phrase too often, it reveals that it's a talking points phrase and that you are therefore a purveyor of someone else's talking points. 'Newt soiled himself' has been tossed out so often we need a dog pooper scooper to clean up after you folks! Newt did not advocate anmesty under the correct definition of amnesty. Amnesty would be citizenship granted by absolution. Newt is in favor of some means to allow legal status but short of citizenship, then any wishing to apply for citizenship must get in line with the others legally applying. But your invitation to treat Hispanics as if they're herd animals not human beings is not a conservative approach, not a humane approach, and is the trap to destroy the conservative wave rising in America.
Newt Gringo supports a get out of jail free card for all Mexican illegals who were smart enough to dodge the law for 25 years.
And after Gringo’s amnesty we’ll have 3x the amount of illegals flood into America. By the time another amnesty is proposed you won’t even have an America left.
LOL! I'm assuming you arrive at that conclusion on the grounds that the word "Texas" appears in my nick.
I haven't decided who I support yet. There are things about each of them I like (except for Ron Paul, Jon Huntsman and Gary Johnson) and things I don't like (including Ron Paul, Jon Huntsman and Gary Johnson).
I'm just sick of being called heartless, inhumane, unsympathetic, etc., because some candidate or another can't explain his or her stance on ILLEGAL immigration without taking both sides of the issue.
You’re just getting sick ... comes with trying daily to deceive readers. If I go back through your recent posting history, which candidate have you supported? And if none, why the effort to deceive readers by posting false accusations which serve only to suppress turnout by squelching enthusiasm? IF you ever find the perfect candidate, will you still mischaracterize what they state as their positions on issues? Will you even read the 21st Century Contract so you can have some little piece of data instead of just your negative naybob opinion on everyone? BTW, Rick Perry is not a bad guy and you might want to take a closer look at what he stands for and how he intends to deal with the invasion of illegals. ... And Texas Toast also has ‘Texas’ in the name.
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