Posted on 11/25/2011 8:23:04 AM PST by TitansAFC
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...."But "there is no path to citizenship in my Tuesday night comment on immigration," Gingrich told Newsmax. "There is a path to non-deportation for certified, very long-term community members but they would not have the right to vote."
The goal of his plan, Gingrich said, is to gain control of the border in 12 months while ensuring that English is the official language of the U.S. government. He wants even faster rules for the deportation of criminals and a guest worker program "outsourced to American Express, Visa or MasterCard to minimize fraud..."
(Excerpt) Read more at newsmax.com ...
I'm sorry, but anyone who plays McCain-style word games with the word amnesty is not serious.
It is amazing how many ignorant Americans cannot understand that that is happening right now without any control. How many families have we heard that have been hear for many years have been broken up and deported and have left their American born children here. Wake up!
Show me a candidate who does not want a guest worker program.
Yeeewouch!
That ones gonna' get some attention me thinks! ; )
We used to have a formal guest worker program in this country and it was quite successful. There really are jobs Americans won’t do, or jobs that are located so far from population centers that US citizens aren’t going to get them. (An unemployed inner-city person is not going to move to the vegetable fields of California to get a $7-an-hour job.)
Nothing wrong with bringing in some foreign people to harvest crops on a temporary, non-exploitative basis, then sending them home when the season is over. No “coyotes”, gangs, etc., no holding them prisoner in miserable camps, no pregnant women, no kids. Preference in jobs given to US citizens if any apply for them. The brasero program used to bring in men to work seasonally, then sent them back. We did this when I was a kid and it worked out well for everybody.
I have no tolerance at all for illegals, but I sympathize with kids who were brought here by their parents and grew up here. There ought to be a path to citizenship for them. If they do some service—military service, or some civilian service opportunity for girls, for those guys who don’t qualify for military service on medical grounds, or for the specially talented. If they prove they’re devoted enough to this country to give of themselves in order to become citizens, then they should have the chance to apply for citizenship.
That's my primary objective with the sales tax component of 9-9-9, and why I think it's not a good idea overall.
So tell us again how a guest worker program is a good idea in this economy with millions unemployed. And how 'path to non-deportation' is not a complete Orwellian abuse of basic logic.
The realistic answer for elected officials asked about illegal aliens should be; "We need to get control of our borders first. It does no good to talk about people living here now when anyone in Mexico can acquire that status tomorrow. Once we gain control of our borders then we can talk about all the other implications and permutations of illegal immigration."
Well like it or not there has to be a start in getting illegals out of here and nobody else has offered a doable plan. Further, the idea that "In time" a law being passed giving them citzenship would take years just as even getting congress to move on ANY plan has been so.
I say it's well worth getting those out of here that Newt's plan would definately boot....the remainders can be delt with just as Newt's plan details.
Additionally, there could be implimented within the plan that those who accept "legality" forfeit their right to become a citizen because that's the deal for coming here illegally in the first place.....if they don't agree then they go home and apply for citizenship according to the laws established to come into this country.
But you go ahead and blame Jobs if it makes you feel superior.
Uhh... sorry, but you didn't do your homework, and so you've made yourself look like a bone-head. Ho hum.
"Only 4 percent of the 44,000 patients diagnosed every year with pancreatic cancer survive for five years after their diagnosis, but Jobs had a rarer form of the cancer -- occurring in the endocrine glands that produce insulin -- which tends to be slower growing and less aggressive."
From this source.
But I do enjoy feeling superior to you.
Basically, it sounds like Newt is carving out a niche here, where he can state that he isn’t going to “split up families” but that his plan will ultimately only allow a small number of illegals to truly “qualify” for this non-citizen non-amnesty plan.
I like it, if it can work. If those in question wish to become citizens, they can prove it by returning to their country of origin and restarting the process.
I think it’s high time we distinguish between the two types of immigrants (not illegal vs legal):
Those who wish to be Americans
Those who do not
RE: Just think of Steve Jobs. Dead today because he wanted to pursue a Buddist approach to dealing with his pancreatic cancer.
That may be the stupidest comment I have ever seen posted on FR.
Asking me to prove a negative instead of answering my question, eh? Tell us again how a guest worker program is a good idea in an economy with millions of unemployed.
Illegal immigration is not a simple problem, so the answers are not simple.
I like this idea. The second part, well, it's a bit odd, and I don't know that MC/Visa/Amex would actually do it, but, I get his point on the whole thing. However it might just be a thought experiment intended to do something about the problem.
Newt is a big fat copy cat...”Gingrich said, is to gain control of the border in 12 months”......COPYING RICK PERRY.
“He wants ... a guest worker program”
Well, it looks like the corporatist elite have found their candidate.
“Gingrich Tells Newsmax: No Amnesty, No Citizenship”
Is he going to do like these sleazy bastards always do and just call it something else?
Prove a positive - show me the ones that do. You are asking me to search for a lack of information on candidates who have said nothing about the subject.
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