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Memo to Gingrich: 'Red card' is path to amnesty
WND ^ | 11/25/11 | Tom Tancredo

Posted on 11/25/2011 10:04:03 PM PST by Fred

f Newt Gingrich is a "policy wonk" as his friends proclaim, he is a very lazy one. He should have read the Kriebel Foundation's "Red Card Solution" before endorsing it as a non-amnesty solution to our immigration conundrum.

The so-called Red Card Solution purports to create a new guest-worker program that solves all of our immigration problems. It strengthens border security, helps employers fill low-skilled jobs, bars criminals from participation and does all of this by "empowering the private sector" without use of taxpayer dollars. Maybe in the fine print it also wipes out the national debt.

The problem is, it does none of those things, and anyone who takes time to actually read the full 41-page "white paper" instead of the press handout will see this.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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1 posted on 11/25/2011 10:04:11 PM PST by Fred
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To: Fred

The problem with this is it assumes Amnesty ISN’T Newt’s ultimate goal. But like all GOP elites who love the cheap labor, it IS their goal.


2 posted on 11/25/2011 10:05:38 PM PST by PAConservative1 (Myth, Ricardo, and AmNEWTsty - NON STARTERS!)
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To: PAConservative1

Of course it’s amnesty. Newt would allow them to be ‘legalized’, and once legalized all it would take would be one trip home to sign up and be ‘on the path’ to citizenship. Meanwhile, they’re all back here, with the majority of them still on some form of government dole, until their citizenship processes.


3 posted on 11/25/2011 10:09:45 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: Fred

“It strengthens border security, helps employers fill low-skilled jobs, bars criminals from participation and does all of this by “empowering the private sector” without use of taxpayer dollars.”

You prefer another Government Bureaucratic solution to privatization? Why will it fail? Does it require US to participate? Or can we just carp at the government as if they were a separate entity? Kind of cryptic put down of a very complex matter.

What is the first step in Newt’s plan, shut down the border?

Sounds pretty provocative. What else is wrong?

Put finding fraud in private hands? No good? Government would be better?

What IS the answer? Hopefully, something that no one will be able to control, all governmental boondoggle, like the last one? Why try something different? Let’s stand on the sidelines and ridicule it instead.


4 posted on 11/25/2011 10:12:11 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno
Let’s stand on the sidelines and ridicule it instead.

Or, better yet, pretend we don't have an unbroken string of similar failed proposals, most of which "legitimized" millions of permanent welfare parasites, and utterly failed to seal the border, as a condition of passage.

5 posted on 11/25/2011 10:20:48 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: jessduntno

Problem with Newt is he has flip flopped on so many issues, it is hard to figure out which Newt will show up in the White House. I got a list of flip-flops ready if you wish to see it again. I have posted Newt’s flip-flops several times.

On immigration Newt has flopped to the left, while Mitt has flopped to the right. These two guys are like the twin headed monster. You never know which mouth will speak up.


6 posted on 11/25/2011 10:24:43 PM PST by federal__reserve (Only Herman Cain could break up Barack's 95% black voting block down to 75-80%.)
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To: Fred
I prefer the soccer version of the "red card":

You get thrown out and don't get to come back for the next game either.

There have been too many amnesty plans where we have amnesty now traded for a promise border security later, which never quite seems to come. This time we need border security to shut down illegal border crossings to a minimum along with sever penalties for employers who knowingly or with willful ignorance hire illegals. Get it well under 100,000 per year for a few years, then we can discuss what to do with the illegals who haven't returned home on their own and whether we need yet another program (we already have a bunch) for bringing in temporary immigrant labor.

7 posted on 11/25/2011 10:32:35 PM PST by KarlInOhio (Herman Cain: possibly the escapee most dangerous to the Democrats since Frederick Douglass.)
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To: 9YearLurker
Inclinación por Gingrich bajaría (El Economista 25 Nov. 2011)

English Machine Translation: "Des Moines. After the head position preference in the presidential campaign Republican, Newt Gingrich is now facing a possible backlash from conservative activists, after proposing an immigration reform that he called "humane", but quickly denounced his opponents as an "amnesty.""

8 posted on 11/25/2011 10:33:41 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Free Republic is HERMAN CAIN COUNTRY....or will be in a short period of time. Just be patient.)
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To: federal__reserve

You mean kinda like this?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f_vrNm4DJoI


9 posted on 11/25/2011 10:34:41 PM PST by Fred ("The terrorists' want to kill us, so we need to kill them first!" http://hermancain.com)
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To: jessduntno
Do you actually trust Newt to keep his word about securing the borders and not buckle under to pressure from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, LaRaza, the media and his “Beltway buddies?”

If you do (and you're female), you might qualify as Mrs. Newt Gingrich IV.

10 posted on 11/25/2011 11:03:25 PM PST by bwc2221
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To: Fred

If it allows ILLEGALs to stay legally it’s amnesty. No thanks.


11 posted on 11/25/2011 11:14:24 PM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: Fred
1. The vast majority of the illegal immigration problem is due to people who came here less than the 25 years that Newt talked about.

2. NONE of these candidates if President would search these people out and deport them. Period.
12 posted on 11/25/2011 11:25:05 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

So how is this going to work? Does an illegal who’s been here 24 yrs admit they’re one yr short, and get deported? If an illegal’s been here 18 yrs, how is it going to be proven they’re seven years short? What motivation does an illegal who’s been here 10 yrs have for either not making a case for the full 25, or else remaining ‘in the shadows’?

Is there some grand index, that tracks where each illegal is and how long they’ve been here? No; there isn’t. The idea that we will just somehow ‘know’ which ones are lying and which ones are laying low—i.e.: not changing their status quo at all—is silly. The plan is useless.


13 posted on 11/25/2011 11:39:22 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: South40

It is kinda like Michele Bachmann’s position from about a month ago..... that she conveniently forgot while attacking Newt:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiveQh7tx6I&feature=youtu.be

Can you smell the hypocrisy?


14 posted on 11/25/2011 11:42:08 PM PST by jageorge72 (http://www.newtvsobama.com)
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To: GLDNGUN

I don’t consider deporting 12 million people to be all that daunting a task. I’m frankly surprised that many do. Once the hammer comes down, most will self-deport (”Self Repatriation” has a certain ring)

It can be done humanely; it can be done logistically. It would create jobs, and simultaneously free up jobs wrongfully taken.

US citizens used to do roofing, concrete, drywall, landscaping, etc. before the invasion.


15 posted on 11/25/2011 11:46:39 PM PST by One Name
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To: GLDNGUN

Who says they would have to? We DO have plenty of candidates telling us they would like to enforce the law. Just because Newt is a quitter, and so are you, doesn’t mean the rest of us are. That’s really all you have to do to solve the problem. It’s a false thing to say “well, you have to deport ALL the illegals, your plan has to be perfect!” Well, no, it doesn’t, we just have to enforce the law, secure the borders, and move on with our lives. FYI, illegals will self-deport once we get serious.


16 posted on 11/26/2011 12:19:13 AM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: Fred
Just like Mr. Heartless......

This is far worse...

The Economy is the #1 issue #2 illegal immigration....

If the Establishment candidate does not understand this concept, then see ya!

Like I said before they can give them welfare, house, educate, give them health care, feed them, issue them a driver's license but for some odd reason.... they can't deport them???

17 posted on 11/26/2011 12:29:00 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: GLDNGUN

Tancredo: “The so-called Red Card Solution purports to create a new guest-worker program that solves all of our immigration problems...”

So Tancredo has chosen to lie rather than be content having a discussion on the issue.

Nobody EVER claimed it would “solve all of our immigration problems,” and Tancredo is a liar for purporting that anyone did.

Why is it that nobody seems to be able to contest Newt without resorting to lies, fabrications, and/or outright hypocrisy?


18 posted on 11/26/2011 12:32:01 AM PST by TitansAFC (Cain's answer on how to handle illegals who broke FEDERAL law? Let the states take care of it. Punt!)
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To: TitansAFC

Newt ain’t half the man Tancredo is. And no one is lying about Newt’s record. You’re just in denial about it.


19 posted on 11/26/2011 12:34:15 AM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: jageorge72
Gingrich is part of the problem (Amnesty to illegals) and NOT part of the solution.

Yes he could defeat Obama, like Cheney in a Debate, but there is no way he will win an election. Too many independents view him as controverial. He has been a Lobbyist for the last 10 years. If Gingrich, like Romney, becomes the nominee, then Obama will get another 4 years. If Obama gets another 4 years, no telling where we will be.

Cain is the Republicans only chance to get in the White House.

Now I have heard that if Romney gets the nomination that Palin and Trump will run 3rd party. That will without a doubt torpedo Romney and the Republican party.

20 posted on 11/26/2011 12:35:02 AM PST by Sprite518
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To: jessduntno

Newt agreed to shut down the border and no more amnesty 25 years ago since then all he has done is swap wives and chase the hired help.


21 posted on 11/26/2011 12:47:02 AM PST by org.whodat (Just another heartless American, hated by "AMNESTY" Newt, Willard, Perry and his fellow supporters.)
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To: org.whodat
A ILLEGAL 'migrant' has been in this country for 24 years. He has a home and a family. Newt thinks it is 'humane' to offer legal status to the man's neighbor who has been in this country 1 year longer denying the same status to the man who has been here 1 year less.

Newt's amnesty plan is fatally flawed.

22 posted on 11/26/2011 12:55:49 AM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: Fred

Memo to Gingrich: Conservatives are saying NO to amnesty and thus will say NO to you.


23 posted on 11/26/2011 1:55:39 AM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: Sprite518
Gingrich is part of the problem (Amnesty to illegals) and NOT part of the solution.

Yes, Gingrich is part of the problem.

The Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986 promised to control our borders, implement sanctions on employers of illegal aliens, enforce current immigration laws, and oversee a humane and orderly path to citizenship for long-term, "law-abiding" illegals.

Over three million illegal aliens were granted amnesty, but the borders were not secured, there was extensive document fraud, and, owing to lack of political will, millions of illegal aliens continue to flow across our borders. Our jails have a substantial proportion of illegal aliens supported by taxpayers. The current administration discourages enforcement to the extent of jailing our border guards, and punishing States attempting to enforce the law. We now have 20 or more million illegal aliens wanting amnesty.

Politicians continue to lamely promise to secure our borders, while soliciting the votes that 20 million illegal aliens could provide if they were granted amnesty.

The bigger problem with illegals today is the direct result of failure to keep the promises of the Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986. The politicians today want us to do it again only with a new Immigration Reform and Control Act, with the same false promises and attendant results. What a deal!

24 posted on 11/26/2011 3:11:51 AM PST by olezip
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To: TitansAFC

Spare me your hairsplitting. The Red Card white paper says this about its plan:

http://krieble.org/Websites/krieble/Images/files/Red%20Card%20Solution%20White%20Paper.pdf

“Turning a Complex Problem into a Simple Solution”


25 posted on 11/26/2011 4:24:47 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: Sprite518

and issue 1 & 2 are intertwined.


26 posted on 11/26/2011 4:40:45 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: bwc2221
Do you actually trust Newt to keep his word about securing the borders and not buckle under to pressure from the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, LaRaza, the media and his “Beltway buddies?”

Who do you trust?

27 posted on 11/26/2011 4:42:38 AM PST by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: olezip

not to mention 6 or 7 times the size.


28 posted on 11/26/2011 4:53:12 AM PST by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: One Name

“It can be done humanely; it can be done logistically.”

Please tell us HOW.


29 posted on 11/26/2011 5:14:33 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: PAConservative1
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2812475/posts reported that 40 million people change addresses in this country every year.

Gingrich and others of his kind (apparently not at all observant) think it's simply not possible to RELOCATE 12 million illegal aliens ~ which is only 30% of the normal level of movement in this country.

I think our leiders should be required to drink coffee in the morning in huge copious quantities ~ then be injected with stimulants several other times a day until they literally BZZZZZZZ .

There's no excuse for their belief that America can't move people!

30 posted on 11/26/2011 5:21:42 AM PST by muawiyah
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To: SumProVita

There is really no way to gather up between 10 and 20 million people and ship them somewhere else without massive violence and mass casualties. Police would have to be involved in raiding houses and arresting people. Look how much trouble one Elian Gonzales raid was, and then repeat that 10 million more times. I don’t think I’ve heard anyone talk about just how they’d go about locating, gathering up, and shipping off that many people.

1) seal the border
2) make English the official language
3) turn off the magnet - no welfare benefits to non-citizens
4) establish a guest worker system where anyone in the county illegally has to register for a card to be allowed to work legally. Registering for that card establishes the location of the illegals, and gives an indication of the number of illegals that are really here. I’d bet it’s a lot more than 12 million.

Now that the influx has stopped, the magnet is off, and you know how many are here and where they are, figure out if and how you’re going to deport them.

Any solution that starts with “deport them all” unfortunately won’t work. They’re not going to politely raise their hands, line up, and go peacefully home. We don’t know where they are now, so what makes anyone think we could even find them all? Are we willing to raid a Catholic church that’s offering sanctuary?

I think it’s fine to criticize Newt, but I don’t think I’ve heard a workable plan that addresses the entire problem besides the one he is proposing.


31 posted on 11/26/2011 5:40:42 AM PST by pie_eater
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To: pie_eater
There is really no way to gather up between 10 and 20 million people and ship them somewhere else without massive violence and mass casualties.

And yet another poster who offers up the amnesty or boxcars false dichotomy while ignoring the perfectly rational approach to creating conditions to where illegals want to self-deport.

32 posted on 11/26/2011 5:58:10 AM PST by dirtboy
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To: dirtboy

No E-Verify, no workee
No E-Verify, no welfare

Most would self deport.


33 posted on 11/26/2011 6:09:34 AM PST by umgud
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To: TitansAFC
Why are you attacking the messenger? Was there something said about the Red Card that isn't true? Do you support amnesty?

Newt has a record, he was Speaker in the 90s when illegal immigration grew worse than ever. All we got under his leadership were more amnesties (six of them), no sealed borders, and no enforcement.

Did you know that in 1998 he stopped Clinton from enforcing employer sanctions? Now you expect us to believe that he'll get it all under control this time? That's a fool's errand.

34 posted on 11/26/2011 6:17:59 AM PST by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Fred

Sure whatever... just be sure to get back to us once step 1 is accomplished. Until then, why create a new incentive to entice people to come here illegally? Without more than “oh yes, of course” lip service to secure borders the whole thing is just more bait to bring more people in.


35 posted on 11/26/2011 6:41:30 AM PST by rhombus
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To: jessduntno

The main job of the federal government is to protect our borders. Newt wants to punt that to the private sector. One wonders what other parts of the constitution he has no intent of obeying.


36 posted on 11/26/2011 6:41:53 AM PST by Grunthor (pro-illegal alien "conservatives" piss me off.)
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To: Fred; Admin Moderator

Why is this in Breaking News?


37 posted on 11/26/2011 6:45:22 AM PST by Lady Lucky
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To: bwc2221

Rush already nailed the red card plan. ACLU & other litigation buddies would have them legal citizens in no time under an “equal protection” legal maneuver.


38 posted on 11/26/2011 6:47:12 AM PST by magna carta
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To: Fred

Gingrich is for amnesty = scratch Gingrich

And don’t give me that bull about he doesn’t want to give them amnesty... he just wants to allow them to stay... lol so Gingrich wants to allow these illegal invaders to stay and keep taking jobs away from the citizens of this country? and keep driving down the wages of the citizens of this country?

go away Gingrich.

Cain is my man.


39 posted on 11/26/2011 6:55:02 AM PST by TexasFreeper2009 (I had considered voting for Gingrich... but on second thought ... it would not be "humane")
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To: One Name

Self Deportation was working pretty good here in Alabama for oh maybe about a week until Eric Holder stuck his nose and legal team into it.

Like magic, jobs opening up, long lines of people ready to take those hard and not very pleasant jobs according to the news reports. Also, an exodus from the schools, good for that too, we can’t afford to educate the illegals children. Probably same for all the hospital maternity wards, we can’t afford that either.

Self deportation with strong laws with the ability and will to enforce them would take care of a good many of the lawbreakers.


40 posted on 11/26/2011 7:16:26 AM PST by Qwackertoo (New Day In America November 03, 2010)
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To: Fred

"Go to America. Collect your Amnesty.
Collect thousands of dollars in Social Services payouts."

41 posted on 11/26/2011 7:23:17 AM PST by theDentist (fybo; qwerty ergo typo : i type, therefore i misspelll)
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To: Fred

It looks like Tancredo NAILS IT. The plan DOES put illegals into the head of the line in that they get to live here as citizens (except not vote), work here, enjoy our benefits, have kids here, while others that didn’t sneak over are still stuck in Haiti, Sudan, and other countries. Seems like a HUGE REWARD for sneaking in...

Here’s the exact quote, starting at the very last sentence of Page 27:

“The “Red Card” would provide no path to citizenship or to permanent resident status at all. In accordance with the
founding American principle of equal opportunity under the law, anyone in the world can apply to be a U.S. citizen,
whether they are here as guest workers or not.”

http://krieble.org/Websites/krieble/Images/files/Red%20Card%20Solution%20White%20Paper.pdf


42 posted on 11/26/2011 7:24:19 AM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: Fred

One Repub. after another is falling on the sword on this issue. These RINO idiots just can’t figure out that these guest-worker and registration schemes are a LOSER position and the people have had enough.


43 posted on 11/26/2011 7:32:23 AM PST by Excuse_My_Bellicosity (Liberalism is a social disease.)
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To: Qwackertoo

Living in Alabama as I do i’ve found that people who defend the invaders or act like nothing can be done are one of 3 things

A liberal
B someone involved with a church whose afraid of dwindling membership or
C someone who is helped in some way or another by the slave labor

Alabama has turned the “We cant do anything” meme into a red herring

Take the reasons they are here away and THEY WILL LEAVE


44 posted on 11/26/2011 7:33:34 AM PST by jneesy (Nearly all men can stand adversity, but if you want to test a mans character, give him power.)
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To: pie_eater

“1) seal the border
2) make English the official language
3) turn off the magnet - no welfare benefits to non-citizens
4) establish a guest worker system where anyone in the county illegally has to register for a card to be allowed to work legally. Registering for that card establishes the location of the illegals, and gives an indication of the number of illegals that are really here. I’d bet it’s a lot more than 12 million.

Now that the influx has stopped, the magnet is off, and you know how many are here and where they are, figure out if and how you’re going to deport them.”

And you can’t see that #4 creates the MAGNET that you’re trying to shut off????

Why do we even have to talk legalization NOW? Why doesn’t Newt or whoever simply demonstrate that they can build a wall and from there, after the wall is built (and hopefully electrified), we can talk about the illegals. They’ve been here for decades, they can wait another 2 years.

...but no, we ALWAYS have to tie legalization, or amnesty, when talking about securing the border. WHY???????????


45 posted on 11/26/2011 7:39:08 AM PST by BobL (Send Rove a Message, VOTE CAIN, no matter what)
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To: GLDNGUN

And 40% of the estimated 12 to 20 million illegals came here legally and overstayed their visas.


46 posted on 11/26/2011 7:40:03 AM PST by kabar
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To: umgud; All

” No E-Verify, no workee
No E-Verify, no welfare

Most would self deport.”

It sure has worked here in Arizona.

Illegals here have deported themselves by the 10’s of thousands the past couple of years.


47 posted on 11/26/2011 7:47:24 AM PST by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Fred
Gingrich proposes a path to non-deportation.

Gingrich is actually trying to create another class of residents.

We have citizens. We have legal aliens. We have illegal aliens.

Gingrich wants to create legal non-citizen illegal residents.

We already have too much confusion in this country regarding illegals. We don't need legal non-citizen illegal residents to complicate the issue even further.

Red Card? Typical political canard that is just more Washington non-solution BS to make a problem appear to be resolved, while creating a potentially worse future problem -- and bigger bureaucracy to handle Red Card issues.
48 posted on 11/26/2011 7:47:35 AM PST by TomGuy
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To: Sprite518
The Economy is the #1 issue #2 illegal immigration....

I for one would argue that #2 causes #1, or at a minimum #2 certainly exacerbates #1 to the extreme.
49 posted on 11/26/2011 8:06:58 AM PST by Cheerio (Barry Hussein Soetoro-0bama=The Complete Destruction of American Capitalism)
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To: Publius6961

So when a candidate says they’re going to round ‘em up and ship ‘em out, why should we believe THEM?


50 posted on 11/26/2011 8:10:02 AM PST by RockinRight (If you're waiting to drink until you find pure water, you're going to die of dehydration.)
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