Posted on 11/25/2011 10:04:03 PM PST by Fred
If it involves letting ILLEGAL aliens stay here, it’s amnesty. Citizenship need not be a part of the equation.
Right you are. All this “path to citizenship” rhetoric is a distraction. Illegals want legal status period! It is bad enough their anchor babies get born as citizens and will be voting en bloc (look that up southie) very soon for Hispanic candidates and Hispanic pandering candidates like Newt (maybe in his dreams)
You know the biggest indication that you’re a Cainsterical?
You purport to have considered “so-and-so, but.....”
Also, the game you guys play KNOWING that Cain has the same stance on the issue as Newt. “La la la, I’m not listening, la la la la.....”
No wonder Cain’s numbers are in the tank. At this rate, by this time next week, they’ll be knocking Gingrich for being too black for the GOP to nominate him.
They’re undocumented. They don’t have documentation proving they’ve been here 25 yrs. Or 10. Or 5. The plan is a nightmare/mess. If most of them lie, then between 20 and 30 million people will have to be investigated. Do you have any idea how expensive that will be—and how unproductive?
The plan is simple. Build the wall. Enforce existing laws. Require E-Verify. And dry up the supply of free bennies that now flow to illegals.
Problem solved.
WRONG. I don’t want a perfect plan. I just don’t want amnesty for any illegal alien. The plans I do support have been shown to be effective and don’t require Newt’s forgiveness of crimes. And I think my position is shared by quite a few around here and has been repeated multiple times. You simply refuse to accept the possibility that maybe we just don’t want amnesty and have no reason to accept it.
And yes, it is bloody amnesty, it is the forgiveness of their crimes against the United States and allowing them to stay in the country. It’s amnesty. And the terms are so loose and meaningless that i’ll give this amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, and inevitably they’ll have citizenship as well. Just more games. More sophistry. More same old same old. I’m not buying it and neither are most conservatives who remember the Bush era debates.
Check out “Operation Wetback”.
The difference today is- Instant check of ID; a short turnaround on SSN’s, self-deportation ( or self-repatriation as I prefer to call it would proceed at at least a similar rate, provided no domestic sanctuary(ies).
The “anchor baby” interpretaion of citizenship needs to be clarified- I believe it is a misinterpretation of federal law.
Many US Citizens are out of work; returning military being cut out of the services could be employed doing this and securing the border simultaneously- these are “shovel ready” jobs at the federal level that would actually create a vacuum for jobs for unemployed Americans.
You got it- why in the middle of a recession should American Citizens needing work have to put up with this shit?
Holder needs to go- to prison.
Cry me a river!
An illegal alien who has been in the United States for 25 years as “part of the community” (an active member of La Raza perhaps?), who “attends a church” (one that offers sanctuary perhaps?), who killed an American citizen in East Los Angeles or Phoenix or Albuquerque maybe 5, 10 years ago (and was never arrested) would be pardoned/amnestied under such a cockamamie approach. There are so many holes and loopholes through this thing it is ridiculous. Illegal is illegal.
I agree with much of this. MY question still remains about HOW to deal with those families who have been here for 25 years or more with children and grandchildren who are all Americans....and no longer speak the language of the parents’ country of origin. AND, what if the country of origin is extremely dangerous for the elderly original parents? In this case, I like what Speaker Gingrich has proposed....and yes, it should be done on a case by case basis. The way he has described this, it is NOT amnesty. They do not receive citizenship and cannot vote. I DO think they should pay a fine for breaking the law.
And regarding the breaking of the law....(I’m trying to be honest here)...many Americans have encouraged Hispanics in particular to come here and to stay here. They liked their willingness to do hard work, often types of work that others did not want to do. Businesses encouraged it....and often government officials did not enforce the laws. It is understandable that, over the years, many of these people were indirectly encouraged to come here. Many people, legal and illegal were ignoring the law.
Amen to everything you said! It will cost a fortune, turn into a bureaucratic cancer, legalize a horde of America-haters [as you said, there is no way—or desire, by the architects—to keep LaRaza out] and encourage a fresh wave of illegals. With Newt’s track record, for all we know that is exactly what he wants. Wake up, conservatives: Newt is not what the country needs right now.
AiT, you sport my favorite tagline in all of FR. I love it.
Well now, thank you very much.
Your points are well taken.
There is a concept in law, applied to criminal cases mostly as I recall from years ago- “fruit of the poisoned tree”.
If you were a fugitive, illegal alien,etc. and you put down new roots under false ID, SSN etc., and it one day catches up to you, you have only yourself to blame.
Where the rubber meets the road can be a messy place. The children had no choice, the parents did.
You and I could have succumbed to enticement to perform illegal acts offered by others, banked the illegal money and later assumed an upright position in society. In the 70’s when I grew up it was drugs; in the prohibition days the Kennedys did it running alcohol. True, the employers enticed illegals and many looked the other way if it benefitted them. They don’t escape culpability in my estimate. There were always worker visas and a right way to do it if you were so inclined...
Somewhere, there has to be a pretty hard line drawn. If my dad was an illegal and I am a minor, but American under the current flawed interpretation sanction him, review his case for political asylum, etc. but do not grant him a pass.
He has to report, obtain a guest worker visa, keep a clean record etc. He is not eligible for government benefits. To treat him otherwise is a disservice to those many who stood in line to do it right. If I as a dependent suffer, its his fault. Sometimes in life the sins of the father are visited on the children...
Exodus 34:7
King James Version (KJV)
7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.
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