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Memo to Gingrich: 'Red card' is path to amnesty
WND ^ | 11/25/11 | Tom Tancredo

Posted on 11/25/2011 10:04:03 PM PST by Fred

f Newt Gingrich is a "policy wonk" as his friends proclaim, he is a very lazy one. He should have read the Kriebel Foundation's "Red Card Solution" before endorsing it as a non-amnesty solution to our immigration conundrum.

The so-called Red Card Solution purports to create a new guest-worker program that solves all of our immigration problems. It strengthens border security, helps employers fill low-skilled jobs, bars criminals from participation and does all of this by "empowering the private sector" without use of taxpayer dollars. Maybe in the fine print it also wipes out the national debt.

The problem is, it does none of those things, and anyone who takes time to actually read the full 41-page "white paper" instead of the press handout will see this.

(Excerpt) Read more at wnd.com ...


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KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; amnewtsty; amnistia; gingrich; illegal; immigration; krieble; newtcheatedonwives; newtlied2wives; redcard; regularization; selfdeportation; tomtancredo; wouldnewtlie2you
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To: dennisw

If it involves letting ILLEGAL aliens stay here, it’s amnesty. Citizenship need not be a part of the equation.


61 posted on 11/26/2011 11:31:30 AM PST by South40 (Just say NO to amnesty. Say NO to Newt!)
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To: South40

Right you are. All this “path to citizenship” rhetoric is a distraction. Illegals want legal status period! It is bad enough their anchor babies get born as citizens and will be voting en bloc (look that up southie) very soon for Hispanic candidates and Hispanic pandering candidates like Newt (maybe in his dreams)


62 posted on 11/26/2011 12:13:31 PM PST by dennisw (I heard the old man laughing What good is a used up world and how could it be worth having-Sting)
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To: TexasFreeper2009

You know the biggest indication that you’re a Cainsterical?

You purport to have considered “so-and-so, but.....”

Also, the game you guys play KNOWING that Cain has the same stance on the issue as Newt. “La la la, I’m not listening, la la la la.....”

No wonder Cain’s numbers are in the tank. At this rate, by this time next week, they’ll be knocking Gingrich for being too black for the GOP to nominate him.


63 posted on 11/26/2011 2:21:58 PM PST by TitansAFC (Mr. Cain, infanticide is not a "social decision," and it SHOULD be part of the political discussion!)
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To: Fantasywriter
So how is this going to work?

Well, gee, I would think a person would have to present documenation showing they've been here the required number of years. If not, they get deported.

Now, then, let me ask you the same question - deporting every single illegal alient - HOW IS THIS GOING TO WORK? If there's a way, I'm all for it. NOBODY has a plan. And please don't say "self-deportation". Many would do the same with Newt's plan, as most wouldn't qualify to stay.
64 posted on 11/26/2011 3:01:26 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

They’re undocumented. They don’t have documentation proving they’ve been here 25 yrs. Or 10. Or 5. The plan is a nightmare/mess. If most of them lie, then between 20 and 30 million people will have to be investigated. Do you have any idea how expensive that will be—and how unproductive?

The plan is simple. Build the wall. Enforce existing laws. Require E-Verify. And dry up the supply of free bennies that now flow to illegals.

Problem solved.


65 posted on 11/26/2011 3:07:13 PM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Apollo5600
Who says they would have to? We DO have plenty of candidates telling us they would like to enforce the law. Just because Newt is a quitter, and so are you, doesn’t mean the rest of us are. That’s really all you have to do to solve the problem. It’s a false thing to say “well, you have to deport ALL the illegals, your plan has to be perfect!” Well, no, it doesn’t, we just have to enforce the law, secure the borders, and move on with our lives. FYI, illegals will self-deport once we get serious.

Quitter? You don't have a clue of what you are talking about. Newt is all for securing the borders and enforcing the laws. YOU are the one who wants a perfect plan, but there is none, so you bash on Newt simply because he is willing to talk about the topic honestly. YOU are not. YOU are a blowhard. And saying "illegals will self-deport once we get serious" applies to Newt's plan as well as anyone else's who is serious about securing the border. If you believe your candidate (whoever it is) is going to do house-to-house searches looking for illegals that came here 25 years ago and have been working, raising a family, and not committing crimes since then, you are a naive fool and idiot. NOBODY is going to do that. You may want that to happen, but it is NOT going to happen. Period. Grow up. Be an adult. So, what IS your plan for those people? And if your knee-jerk avoidance is to prattle "self-deportation", don't want the time it will take you to peck that out on your keyboard.
66 posted on 11/26/2011 3:12:44 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

WRONG. I don’t want a perfect plan. I just don’t want amnesty for any illegal alien. The plans I do support have been shown to be effective and don’t require Newt’s forgiveness of crimes. And I think my position is shared by quite a few around here and has been repeated multiple times. You simply refuse to accept the possibility that maybe we just don’t want amnesty and have no reason to accept it.

And yes, it is bloody amnesty, it is the forgiveness of their crimes against the United States and allowing them to stay in the country. It’s amnesty. And the terms are so loose and meaningless that i’ll give this amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, and inevitably they’ll have citizenship as well. Just more games. More sophistry. More same old same old. I’m not buying it and neither are most conservatives who remember the Bush era debates.


67 posted on 11/26/2011 3:19:35 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: SumProVita

Check out “Operation Wetback”.

The difference today is- Instant check of ID; a short turnaround on SSN’s, self-deportation ( or self-repatriation as I prefer to call it would proceed at at least a similar rate, provided no domestic sanctuary(ies).

The “anchor baby” interpretaion of citizenship needs to be clarified- I believe it is a misinterpretation of federal law.

Many US Citizens are out of work; returning military being cut out of the services could be employed doing this and securing the border simultaneously- these are “shovel ready” jobs at the federal level that would actually create a vacuum for jobs for unemployed Americans.


68 posted on 11/27/2011 7:05:10 PM PST by One Name
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To: Qwackertoo

You got it- why in the middle of a recession should American Citizens needing work have to put up with this shit?

Holder needs to go- to prison.


69 posted on 11/27/2011 7:18:07 PM PST by One Name
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To: Apollo5600
WRONG. I don’t want a perfect plan. I just don’t want amnesty for any illegal alien. The plans I do support have been shown to be effective and don’t require Newt’s forgiveness of crimes. And I think my position is shared by quite a few around here and has been repeated multiple times. You simply refuse to accept the possibility that maybe we just don’t want amnesty and have no reason to accept it. And yes, it is bloody amnesty, it is the forgiveness of their crimes against the United States and allowing them to stay in the country. It’s amnesty. And the terms are so loose and meaningless that i’ll give this amnesty to millions of illegal aliens, and inevitably they’ll have citizenship as well. Just more games. More sophistry. More same old same old. I’m not buying it and neither are most conservatives who remember the Bush era debates.

Yada, yada, yada. Your silence on "the plan" is deafening. You don't have a plan. Just "no amnesty". And you have no answer on how to round 'em all up, including some kid dragged across the border by his parents 20 years ago, now a father of 3 US citizens and husband to a US citizen wife, who's been working steady for all of those years and been a productive part of his community. And if you say "self-deportation" one more time your own keyboard may start heaving. I, too, wish there was a magic wand that somebody could wave and make every single illegal alien go away. Newt doesn't have that wand, and neither does Cain or anyone else in the running.
70 posted on 11/27/2011 9:28:00 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: GLDNGUN

Cry me a river!


71 posted on 11/27/2011 9:30:30 PM PST by Apollo5600 (Cain 2012)
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To: Fantasywriter

An illegal alien who has been in the United States for 25 years as “part of the community” (an active member of La Raza perhaps?), who “attends a church” (one that offers sanctuary perhaps?), who killed an American citizen in East Los Angeles or Phoenix or Albuquerque maybe 5, 10 years ago (and was never arrested) would be pardoned/amnestied under such a cockamamie approach. There are so many holes and loopholes through this thing it is ridiculous. Illegal is illegal.


72 posted on 11/27/2011 9:34:46 PM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Free Republic is HERMAN CAIN COUNTRY....or will be in a short period of time. Just be patient.)
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To: One Name

I agree with much of this. MY question still remains about HOW to deal with those families who have been here for 25 years or more with children and grandchildren who are all Americans....and no longer speak the language of the parents’ country of origin. AND, what if the country of origin is extremely dangerous for the elderly original parents? In this case, I like what Speaker Gingrich has proposed....and yes, it should be done on a case by case basis. The way he has described this, it is NOT amnesty. They do not receive citizenship and cannot vote. I DO think they should pay a fine for breaking the law.

And regarding the breaking of the law....(I’m trying to be honest here)...many Americans have encouraged Hispanics in particular to come here and to stay here. They liked their willingness to do hard work, often types of work that others did not want to do. Businesses encouraged it....and often government officials did not enforce the laws. It is understandable that, over the years, many of these people were indirectly encouraged to come here. Many people, legal and illegal were ignoring the law.


73 posted on 11/28/2011 5:47:20 AM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: AmericanInTokyo

Amen to everything you said! It will cost a fortune, turn into a bureaucratic cancer, legalize a horde of America-haters [as you said, there is no way—or desire, by the architects—to keep LaRaza out] and encourage a fresh wave of illegals. With Newt’s track record, for all we know that is exactly what he wants. Wake up, conservatives: Newt is not what the country needs right now.

AiT, you sport my favorite tagline in all of FR. I love it.


74 posted on 11/28/2011 6:34:56 AM PST by Fantasywriter
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To: Fantasywriter

Well now, thank you very much.


75 posted on 11/28/2011 7:26:41 AM PST by AmericanInTokyo (Free Republic is HERMAN CAIN COUNTRY....or will be in a short period of time. Just be patient.)
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To: Apollo5600
Cry me a river!

Absolutely. Indeed, that sums up your illegal immigration plan quite nicely.
76 posted on 11/28/2011 8:56:54 PM PST by GLDNGUN
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To: SumProVita

Your points are well taken.

There is a concept in law, applied to criminal cases mostly as I recall from years ago- “fruit of the poisoned tree”.

If you were a fugitive, illegal alien,etc. and you put down new roots under false ID, SSN etc., and it one day catches up to you, you have only yourself to blame.

Where the rubber meets the road can be a messy place. The children had no choice, the parents did.

You and I could have succumbed to enticement to perform illegal acts offered by others, banked the illegal money and later assumed an upright position in society. In the 70’s when I grew up it was drugs; in the prohibition days the Kennedys did it running alcohol. True, the employers enticed illegals and many looked the other way if it benefitted them. They don’t escape culpability in my estimate. There were always worker visas and a right way to do it if you were so inclined...

Somewhere, there has to be a pretty hard line drawn. If my dad was an illegal and I am a minor, but American under the current flawed interpretation sanction him, review his case for political asylum, etc. but do not grant him a pass.

He has to report, obtain a guest worker visa, keep a clean record etc. He is not eligible for government benefits. To treat him otherwise is a disservice to those many who stood in line to do it right. If I as a dependent suffer, its his fault. Sometimes in life the sins of the father are visited on the children...

Exodus 34:7
King James Version (KJV)

7Keeping mercy for thousands, forgiving iniquity and transgression and sin, and that will by no means clear the guilty; visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children, and upon the children’s children, unto the third and to the fourth generation.


77 posted on 11/29/2011 5:50:27 PM PST by One Name
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