Posted on 12/03/2011 8:18:19 AM PST by montag813
Herman Cain is expected to make a "major announcement" today, anytime between 11am and 1pm EST in Atlanta. The media is assuming he will quit the race. Politico is positively glowing with anticipation of this. Will he fold, or FIGHT? He is also opening a new Atlanta HQ. Twitter reports that people are jamming in early to show their support.
We simply don't know what will happen, or when it will happen. What are your thoughts? Do you think he should quit? Or do you think Cain should stay in the race and deny the State-Run Media yet another GOP scalp on a platter - for unproven allegations -while they allow a vile rapist like Clinton, or commie cokehead like Obama breeze through unscathed?
HERE IS THE LIVE VIDEO FEED LINK: http://hermancain.com/livestream
Buck up there Butter, all isn’t lost. Just two comments: (1) Issa can’t fire Holder himself, but he can put the pressure on bam about the conspiracy to walk guns/facilitate murder, and (2) for home defense if you’re not gun savvy, a pump shotgun is one of the best choices, just the sound of racking a round will deter most perps but do practice a bit at the range, eh?
JC
Gen. Pace was a classmate and I concur with your positive comments about him, but he isn’t a sleazy politician that would be necessary in this climate to get elected. He took an honorable exit as Chairman of the Joint Chiefs and likely cannot ever be induced to wade back into the Washington cesspool...
JC
That's not strictly true. I'm an attorney, and sometimes I have to tell a client the truth is on his side, but he'd be a fool to pursue vindication. Why? Usually cost. And there are circumstances where the law simply doesn't favor the client's circumstances. He's right, but the court will likely decide against him anyway for some reason X.
Personally, I find it tragic that so many putative conservatives find it so easy to reference their personal "intuition" as a basis for determining guilt. You are a man of the Book. You know that man looks on the outward appearance but God looks on the heart. If we are to be more like God, we need to not be tempted into premature judgment by appearances. This is why we have a presumption of innocence in our system of law. It protects us from using our "intuitions" to hang innocent people. The discipline to not trust one's "intuition" is hard, but the fruit is good.
So until Cain makes an admission, or other concrete, affirmative evidence emerges, I will hold him innocent. It's the Golden Rule. If I was being falsely accused, that's what I'd want others to do. I know because I’ve been there. Give me facts, or give me nothing. It’s just the right thing to do.
There is only one person who knows if any or all of these accusations are true- Herman Cain.
If my husband gave money to another woman without my knowledge, he would lose more than a nomination.
I wouldn't disagree with you in principle counselor, but surely you must know that the tree of justice, as represented by our judicial system, does not avail itself to the voters in time for the primaries.
Your fruit must come for some other source. Intuition, in that respect, simply becomes one of the available tools, among others, for judging behavior.
As for myself, it wasn't these allegations that made me question Herman Cain's candidacy, although his handling of them didn't help.
That said, if Herman Cain is the man that his supporters think he is, Then Herman Cain is well aware that he only has himself to blame.
..."Therefore put on the full armor of God so that when the day of evil comes, you may be able to stand your ground, and after you have done everything, to stand........
There is indeed an angel riding in the whirlwind and directing this storm......
I think the angst many of us are feeling is .....why couldn't Sarah remain standing...why couldn't Herman Cain remain standing......for the greater good.....for us.
But God is sovereign.....and maybe He wanted them where they were for a moment in time and history.
I think ...we.... will have to be the ones standing, and with God's help...keep standing
.......as I see no other human leader on the horizon.
Newt making out with Nancy on the couch is something I will not forget. Bah, humbug. His numbers will fall.
You mean like: thecainsolutions.com ?
You're joking, right?
If not, your presence here needs to be *suspended*.
Agreed. We must not presume the guilt of anyone - least of all on the basis of "intuition" (though I do not discount it's usefulness - see below). As for "premature judgment," many on this board have rushed to judgment themselves, refusing to consider even the possibility of wrongdoing. The man is innocent until proven otherwise, but serious allegations have been made.
Of course, those with limited means may be unable to afford the cost of defending themselves against such allegations (due in large part to the high fees demanded by lawyers). One would think, however, that money would not be as much of a problem for a successful businessman like Cain, who might (you can answer this better than I) also be able to use political contributions for legal expenses.
A number of (now former) supporters on Cain threads have expressed disappointment that he "gave up so easily" rather than fight the charges. And here is where intuition comes in. You're a lawyer: let's be honest - you can pretty much tell when someone's got something to hide, right?
We must all trust our gut, that’s all we can do! This will all get easier when Sarah gets back in the race...
We're still slugging it out here in So Cal, and to tell you the truth ... though we know it's dangerous, though we know we're living on the edge, though we know we're living in a potential powder keg, though the traffic can be miserable and the politics even worse ... we love it down here.
Both of us grew up in very small towns and have lived in some of the most beautiful areas in the U.S. -- postcard-pretty type places. Yet our love affair with So. Cal still burns hot. Maybe because of our backgrounds, who knows. Small town living -- been there, done that.
I hope all is going well with you and your family!
I for one would welcome it.
I understand. I spent half a century there, and the place will always be first in my heart. Can't be helped when a place has burned itself into that much of your life and memory.
Still, there's a limit to how much a person can take, when the place you call home, changes beyond all recognition. If the slow and creeping changes are a net positive, that's one thing, but when those changes continually degrade everything you know and love about a place, well....everyone's got a limit. I hit mine in 2005.
As far as "small towns" are concerned, I'm pretty happy living outside the 'small town' of Dallas ;-)
You’re entitled to your opinions.
Your profanities were the reason prompting my post.
I understand.
Unless I misunderstand you, aren’t you begging the question of guilt? IF he is entirely, purely innocent, then no, he is not to blame for the deeds of false accusers or the willingness of the public to believe those false accusers. Under that scenario, his only fault was being too optimistic. He foolishly believed he would be judged according to the truth of his innocence. In my experience, this is a common fault of innocent people generally. For Cain, it is a reflection of his lack of political experience, and in this extraordinary election cycle, such optimism, even if misguided, is not necessarily a political negative.
But you do make a good point. Cain is not on trial in a real court, but running for President. The judicial system is, at least theoretically, held to the presumption of innocence through a body of formal law. The electorate has a short time to make its decision, and it has only the media, the candidate and his accusers, and its own collective conscience to work with. My conscience will not let me render an adverse decision without confirmatory facts. Perhaps it is my legal training, and I do know not everybody operates that way, but that’s just who I am.
Does a healthy doubt of my own intuition put me at a disadvantage in judging candidates? I don’t think so. In fact, I think it gives me an advantage. It gives me a reason to question media authority. To borrow a Biblical idea, it makes me a political Berean, a person who diligently tries to confirm the truth of what he’s told, to willingly accept what is true, to forcefully reject what is false, and to suspend judgment on what is indeterminate. The only reason conservatism is superior to its alternatives is it’s commitment to truth. Liberalism fails because it is unfaithful to reality. If our judgments as conservatives become less and less grounded in true truth, we may win individual elections, but end up losing the greater struggle, to become a people who prosper because we are faithful to the truth.
Bite me, noob.
A hunch is only as good as the information it is based on. If I knew Cain in person, knew all the facts his lawyer knows, could actively ask questions of all the principals, I might have some basis for applying my life experience to those facts and assess his truthfulness. But all I have is carefully structured, spoon-fed hearsay and his response to that hearsay. Unless there’s eventually something more concrete and natural to go by, I am happy to accept his denials at face value. I am simply too far removed from his situation to do anything else and still be honest with myself.
Don’t misunderstand. I’m not saying people shouldn’t have opinions. That can’t be prevented anyway. But conservatives owe it to themselves to base those opinions, to the extent possible, on verified facts. Sometimes the circumstances don’t allow that. Some emergency exists and you have to summon all your life experience in an instant and make the right choice. That’s what some people mean when they say intuition. It has the defect that it is still based on a combination of facts and beliefs, some of which may be extremely inaccurate.
So while “intuition” may be serviceable for some situations where a calm ordering of the facts is not possible, it is certainly not desirable as a basis for determining a person’s character. There are simply too many ways to destroy a person’s reputation through lies, and too much value in a good reputation, to let it be decided by hearsay and well-intended but ill-informed “intuition.” For that the more precise instruments of truth are required. You would want that if it was your own reputation on the line, wouldn’t you?
Yep, I see you’re still true to form with the gratuitous insults that show a low level of intelligence, mostly feral.
Your TB Bucs are losers also; I dropped them when Jon Gruden and Warren Sapp left, and they can’t seem to fight their way out of a wet paper sack since then!
JC
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