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Gingrich: GOP voters can trust him, won’t push ‘big government’
The Hill, Washington, DC ^ | 2011-12-04 | Meghashyam Mali

Posted on 12/04/2011 2:07:57 PM PST by rabscuttle385

Six GOP hopefuls joined a policy forum on Fox News Saturday night to push their conservative credentials, with Newt Gingrich seeking to reassure voters and vowing that he would reject "big government approaches" if elected president.

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Gingrich who has risen to the top of many GOP polls after a series of strong debate performances and stumbles by his rivals faced questions about his past support for government policies addressing climate change and in favor of a healthcare insurance mandate.

Gingrich pledged that conservative voters could "trust that a President Gingrich will not advance these sorts of big government approaches."

The former House speaker said his past support for a mandate had been consistent with what other conservatives had believed at the time. "Every conservative has in fact left that kind of a model," said Gingrich.

Gingrich also faced tough questioning from the panel on immigration policy and stood by his recent proposals to allow some families of undocumented workers to remain in the country.

“I’m suggesting that this only apply to people who’ve been here a very long time, who have a real tie to the local community, and we’re exploring the idea that they’d actually have a family sponsoring them,” he said.

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KEYWORDS: 2012gopprimary; biggovernment; gingrich; liar
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1 posted on 12/04/2011 2:07:58 PM PST by rabscuttle385
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To: rabscuttle385

Gingrich is much preferable over Romney. Or Ron Paul.


2 posted on 12/04/2011 2:13:52 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: rabscuttle385

I think our question is whether you are willing to take a chainsaw to government, not whether you support larger government.


3 posted on 12/04/2011 2:14:18 PM PST by samadams2000 (Someone important make......The Call!)
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To: rabscuttle385
“Newt allied himself with Ronald Reagan to build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority (together the Reagan Revolution) which directly led the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.” - Jim Robinson

How many candidates we got that have done this?

They aren’t talking about the weather…


4 posted on 12/04/2011 2:14:31 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: All

We must draft, nominate and elect Sarah Palin president in the most crushing tidal wave of enthusiastic good judgment ever seen in the history of this nation. With that one bold move we will accomplish the dual goals of seeing America led by the greatest natural born leader in our generation, even as we witness the final implosion and last agonized shrieks of our endlessly lying extreme left loonies. Their entire movement, from the fabricated attacks on Bush beginning with ‘Blood For Oil’ to the crammed-down-our-gullets lies of Obamacare and the Shovel Ready Stimulus, have been nothing but one vile deceit heaped upon another. Such an absolute inability to deal in the truth or to face the facts of our situation and its solutions only proves that there is simply no place at the grown-ups’ table for these diseased sputa. Good riddance to rubes and bad rubbish. Time to usher in the American Renaissance, carried in on the invigoratingly freshening breeze of President Sarah Palin.


5 posted on 12/04/2011 2:14:39 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: All

We must draft, nominate and elect Sarah Palin president in the most crushing tidal wave of enthusiastic good judgment ever seen in the history of this nation. With that one bold move we will accomplish the dual goals of seeing America led by the greatest natural born leader in our generation, even as we witness the final implosion and last agonized shrieks of our endlessly lying extreme left loonies. Their entire movement, from the fabricated attacks on Bush beginning with ‘Blood For Oil’ to the crammed-down-our-gullets lies of Obamacare and the Shovel Ready Stimulus, have been nothing but one vile deceit heaped upon another. Such an absolute inability to deal in the truth or to face the facts of our situation and its solutions only proves that there is simply no place at the grown-ups’ table for these diseased sputa. Good riddance to rubes and bad rubbish. Time to usher in the American Renaissance, carried in on the invigoratingly freshening breeze of President Sarah Palin.


6 posted on 12/04/2011 2:14:47 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: rabscuttle385

“his past support for a mandate had been consistent with what other conservatives had believed at the time”

The man has his own definition of what conservatism is.


7 posted on 12/04/2011 2:18:50 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless & Inhumane)
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To: jessduntno

In 1983, he founded the Conservative Opportunity Society (COS), a group that included young conservative House Republicans. Early COS members included Robert Smith Walker, Judd Gregg, Dan Coats and Connie Mack III. The group expanded over time to comprise several dozen representatives who met each week to exchange and develop ideas. Gingrich’s analysis of polls and public opinion identified the group’s initial focus.

Ronald Reagan adopted the “opportunity society” ideas for his 1984 re-election campaign, supporting the group’s conservative goals on economic growth, education, crime, space exploration and social issues, which he had not emphasized during his first term.Reagan also referenced an “opportunity” society in the first State of the Union address of his second term.


8 posted on 12/04/2011 2:18:57 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Jim Robinson

I took a second look at Gingrich and I could support him but not my first choice. It seems he’s only ahead because he’s articulate. But if his oratory skills are his biggest asset, he’d probably be better off as press secretary for one of the other candidates. Obama was an eloquent speaker but look what that got us.

I think Perry, Huntsman, Bachmann, and Santorum all have better records and less baggage. Paul is just a moonbat.


9 posted on 12/04/2011 2:19:07 PM PST by Kenny
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

>>We must draft, nominate and elect Sarah Palin president in the most crushing tidal wave of enthusiastic good judgment ever seen in the history of this nation. <<

It sounds nice but it would be a losing strategy in many, many ways. Not only would it brand Republicans and the few Conservatives left in that party as complete nut jobs, it would marginalize Conservatism for many years to come.

It is our version of unicorns farting rainbows.


10 posted on 12/04/2011 2:20:21 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: Kenny

I agree one hundred percent, but time is getting short. Bachmann, Santorum, et al, had better step it up in a hurry or find some miraculous way to gain some traction.


11 posted on 12/04/2011 2:22:13 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: samadams2000

In March 1989, Gingrich became the House Minority Whip in a close election against Edward Rell Madigan. This was Gingrich’s first formal position of power within the Republican party. He stated his intention to “build a much more aggressive, activist party.”


12 posted on 12/04/2011 2:22:23 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: jessduntno
Gingrich: 'The Reagan Era Is Over'
13 posted on 12/04/2011 2:23:48 PM PST by BarnacleCenturion (Heartless & Inhumane)
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To: rabscuttle385
Gingrich pledged that conservative voters could "trust that a President Gingrich will not advance these sorts of big government approaches."

But his Red Card program for legalizing illegals would add another layer of bureaucracy. And whose going to oversee and enforce that? There are some 30-40 million illegals here.
14 posted on 12/04/2011 2:24:25 PM PST by TomGuy
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15 posted on 12/04/2011 2:25:29 PM PST by Roninf5-1
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To: rabscuttle385

Lib columnist Dana Milbank thinks Newt is just fine and dandy:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/the-gop-primaries-winner-washington/2011/12/02/gIQAviitKO_story.html


16 posted on 12/04/2011 2:26:22 PM PST by Signalman (q)
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To: Kenny

“It seems he’s only ahead because he’s articulate. “

Of course he’s articulate, but he has also been or been involved in;

Speaker of the House
Welfare reform
Balancing the federal budget
Taxpayer Relief Act of 1997

Other legislation;

Among the first pieces of legislation passed by the new Congress under Gingrich was the Congressional Accountability Act of 1995, which subjected members of Congress to the same laws that apply to businesses and their employees, including the Civil Rights Act of 1964 and the Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990. As a provision of the Contract with America, the law was symbolic of the new Republican majority’s goal to remove some of the entitlements enjoyed by Congress. The bill received near universal acceptance from the House and Senate and was signed into law on January 23, 1995.

Yep, baggage too, but it can be worked on. We have a year to do it in. And why would we want to let that kind of talent go, because the MSM is going to shred him? Who aren’t they going to shred.

We’ve got no better qulifed person and neither do the Dems.


17 posted on 12/04/2011 2:29:25 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: rabscuttle385; lilyramone; crusadersoldier; Ellzeena; Anvilhead; stonehouse01; ...

Look at their accomplishments. Newt allied himself with Ronald Reagan to build the Reagan Coalition, the Religious Right, and the Republican majority (together the Reagan Revolution) which directly led the downfall of the Soviet Union, the Contract with America, government reforms, less government, tax cuts, a balanced budget, and the great, long-standing Reagan economy.

Romney, on the other hand, vehemently denied Ronald Reagan and aligned himself with Ted Kennedy and the left. Romney accomplished installing liberal big government programs, defended and promoted Roe v Wade and legalized abortion as “settled law,” advocated and implemented RomneyCare with its liberty killing government mandates against formerly free citizens and its taxpayer funded or subsidized and mandated abortion procedures. He ran and governed to the left of Ted Kennedy on the “gay agenda” resulting in gay marriage in Massachusetts. He appointed liberal judges and liberal appointees throughout his government. Under his “leadership” conservatism and the Republican party was all but destroyed in Massachusetts.

Romney is one evil liberal progressive. No way in hell will MittBots be allowed to support this abortionist, big government, socialist scumbag on FR!

Guess my message isn’t clear enough. I have to keep repeating it and zotting would be MittBots.

79 posted on Sat Dec 03 2011 19:59:37 GMT-0800 (Pacific Standard Time) by Jim Robinson


18 posted on 12/04/2011 2:29:43 PM PST by narses
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To: rabscuttle385

Not good enough. Even Reagan only reduced the rate of growth of the federal government. Today it is 1/3rd to 1/2 too large, so must be drastically reduced, both in size and in scope.

Reduction in size can only be accomplished if the congress agrees to take away job protection from government service workers, when firing an entire department at a time.

This means that layoffs can only be done a department at a time, to insure that future presidents won’t use it for anti-patronage purposes, eliminating members of the political opposition that have government jobs.

Reduction in scope is a different affair. The POTUS can issue a directive to end an enormous number of regulations, in a very systematic way.

But reduction in scope also means a grand reduction in the US tax code. Not easy. But with public input from accountants across the US, a vast amount of onerous tax regulation can be pitched.

Even a popular POTUS with a friendly congress will have to do this almost immediately on taking office, because otherwise the forces of big government will short circuit the process.

However, the stimulus to the economy of slashing federal expenses will be enormous, and could very well wrench us out of the slow motion economic collapse the western world is enjoying right now.


19 posted on 12/04/2011 2:30:21 PM PST by yefragetuwrabrumuy
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To: Jim Robinson
but time is getting short. Bachmann, Santorum, et al, had better step it up in a hurry or find some miraculous way to gain some traction.

It's not easy with the poll driven news. The polls are creating momentum for one candidate after another.

20 posted on 12/04/2011 2:30:23 PM PST by Kenny
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To: jessduntno
How many candidates we got that have done this?

Yes, he worked with Reagan. But, he also supported TARP, supported the federal mandate for me to purchase (insert item/service here), supported Cap/Trade, had an affair with a federal subordinate, has problems keeping the most sacred vows made to his multiple wives, and effectively threw Paul Ryan under the bus this year and last week.

I can keep going, but these are my main issues with Newt, with the support of the main pillar of Obamacare being the biggest. Will I vote for him if he's the nominee? Probably. But as of right now, I cannot support him. But, I don't think it will come to that, as he has no organization, no money, and has missed ballot deadlines for the primary.

21 posted on 12/04/2011 2:30:41 PM PST by GOPyouth ("We're buying shrimp, guys. Come on." - Dear Leader)
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To: Jim Robinson
Gingrich is much preferable over Romney. Or Ron Paul.

Bachmann
Santorum
Perry
Gingrich...in that order

The rest can stick it where the sun don't shine.

22 posted on 12/04/2011 2:30:55 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: jessduntno

Really don’t like the individual mandate he pushed. Says a lot about his boundaries.


23 posted on 12/04/2011 2:31:47 PM PST by Kenny
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To: samadams2000

Seconded.

I worry that Gingrich’s commitment to smaller government will end when he discovers the most singularly important issue of our times, whatever that might be.


24 posted on 12/04/2011 2:36:17 PM PST by MontaniSemperLiberi (Moutaineers are Always Free)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Unfortunately, Sarah Palin has yet to show any willingness or interest toward being drafted, so unless she changes her mind, I'm all in for Gingrich.

I trust him to nominate strict Constitutionalists to SCOTUS and I think he's the best equipped to fight the Marxist and the media.

Gingrich gets what this election is all about. A referendum on the Marxist, who must be stopped if we're going to save our Republic.

25 posted on 12/04/2011 2:38:42 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: GOPyouth

” But, he also supported TARP, supported the federal mandate for me to purchase (insert item/service here), supported Cap/Trade, had an affair with a federal subordinate, has problems keeping the most sacred vows made to his multiple wives, and effectively threw Paul Ryan under the bus this year and last week.”

And all this while voting on it? Which office was he holding?

Those are very simple statements made about matters that were a little more complex.

Why is it that we are so focused on what this man did off the field than on the field? Would he have had the same reactions? I don’t know. I really don’t. Would deeper insight or knowledge of the conditions changed his opinion? I don’t know, but he wasn’t in that position, either.

Would any of the others? I don’t know. I really don’t. But I do know what they have accomplished in office by looking at voting records and movements they led, pieces of legislation they have passed and large scale revolutions they have led.

That answer is none that I know of. I’m sure they are all much nicer people and Newt is a bastard, though, because that’s what everyone says.

Let’s elect a nice person. They always finish....


26 posted on 12/04/2011 2:41:36 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Jim Robinson
"Bachmann, Santorum, et al, had better step it up in a hurry or find some miraculous way to gain some traction."

I agree with you Jim, but we have a role too. I'm sad to say I fell in line with conventional wisdom early on, and kind of wrote off Santorum as having no shot. The reason he didn't have a shot is because everybody was like me, assuming he had no shot. Friday night on Greta, Santorum challenged Newt to a Lincoln-Douglas debate. If nothing else, the community here, talk radio, Fox, etc. need to talk that up and get an answer from Gingrich's campaign, or at least make it as well known as Gingrich's challenge to Romney. If not, Santorum's failure to get "traction" is no more his fault than a great set of tires on wet clay.

27 posted on 12/04/2011 2:42:29 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: rabscuttle385

I just want a President that will cut the number of federal employees and the total budget by 30%.


28 posted on 12/04/2011 2:43:33 PM PST by freedomfiter2 (Brutal acts of commission and yawning acts of omission both strengthen the hand of the devil.)
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To: Joe 6-pack

Imho, neither Santorum nor Bachmann were presidential in last night’s debate. I’m sorry.


29 posted on 12/04/2011 2:52:22 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Sarah has chosen not to run.


30 posted on 12/04/2011 2:53:47 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: trisham

I don’t have a TV. Do tell...


31 posted on 12/04/2011 2:54:54 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: rabscuttle385
Gingrich: GOP voters can trust him, won’t push ‘big government’

Well, I'm heartened. When America desperately needs Big Government rolled back, Newt promises he won't push even Bigger Government, i.e., status quo .... if you can believe him.

Out of this morass ... Sarah ... please come back.

32 posted on 12/04/2011 3:01:45 PM PST by steelyourfaith (If it's "green" ... it's crap !!!)
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To: Joe 6-pack

It appears Santorum is just plain not likable personally to most voters. Seems to be the same problem with Bachmann. I like Bachmann a lot, but apparently not many others do. She was actually second on my list after Palin. I had hopes for Perry to do better, but his “heartless” statement regarding border security conservatives did him in. It’s doubtful that any of the five percenters will ever get their campaigns back on track. But who knows? McCain’s primary campaign was written off early too, but didn’t actually die—until the general.


33 posted on 12/04/2011 3:03:01 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Jim Robinson

I am voting for Cain.

I may have to settle in the general election against Obama, but I sure as heck don’t have to settle in the primary.


34 posted on 12/04/2011 3:03:09 PM PST by justsaynomore
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To: Joe 6-pack

Do you have a computer? :)

http://www.2012presidentialelectionnews.com/2011/12/video-watch-the-entire-huckabee-gop-presidential-forum/


35 posted on 12/04/2011 3:06:03 PM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: GOPyouth
"I can keep going, but these are my main issues with Newt, with the support of the main pillar of Obamacare being the biggest."

He did not support Obamacare. You need to research that a bit, I think. As far as Ryan's statement, I think he makes a valid point; why does a mandate from the right make it any less a mandate? And I believe that if you are not going to cover yourself for insurance, holding the taxpayer blameless is a good idea. "In some way..." That is a far cry from a mandate.

“I agree that all of us have a responsibility to help pay for health care. And I think that there are ways to do it that make most libertarians relatively happy,” Mr. Gingrich told the host David Gregory. “I’ve said consistently, where there’s some requirement you either have health insurance or you post a bond or in some way you indicate you’re going to be held accountable.”

Mr. Gingrich also said on the show that he’s uncomfortable with the proposed changes to Medicare in the budget put forth by Representative Paul Ryan of Wisconsin, the chairman of the House budget committee.

“I don’t think right-wing social engineering is any more desirable than left-wing social engineering,” Mr. Gingrich said Sunday. “I don’t think imposing radical change from the right or the left is a very good way for a free society to operate.”

That brought a quick retort from Mr. Ryan on Monday morning, who asked on a conservative radio program, “With allies like that, who needs the left?”

Rick Tyler, a spokesman for Mr. Gingrich, sought to soften his boss’s comments. In an e-mail to The Weekly Standard, Mr. Tyler wrote that “there is little daylight between Ryan and Gingrich.”

“But look how it gets reported,” Mr. Tyler continued. “Newt would fully support Ryan if it were not compulsory. We need to design a better system that people will voluntarily move to. That is a major difference in design but not substance.”

The problem we face more than anything else is in our own willingness to believe how things are reported or to suspend belief until we hear clarification from the individual. The old lies about his dumping his wife on her death bed have been repeated so often even his own daughter's statements clearing that up are being called false.

36 posted on 12/04/2011 3:08:58 PM PST by jessduntno ("They say the world has become too complex for simple answers... they are wrong." - RR)
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To: Jim Robinson

Well Jim, if it comes down to Gingrich v. Obama, there’s no question I’ll pull the Newt lever. In the primary fight however, Santorum is the hill on which I’m going to die.


37 posted on 12/04/2011 3:10:49 PM PST by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: Jim Robinson
Gingrich is much preferable over Romney. Or Ron Paul.

No argument there. However, Gingrich is also somewhat mercurial and one has to question his core conservative values. I'll be watching Newt's statements/interviews and how he handles himself now that he's in the lead and open to the predictable leftmedia attacks. I'm willing to vote for Gingrich but he has to earn it. The next few weeks should be interesting.

38 posted on 12/04/2011 3:11:00 PM PST by Jim Scott
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To: Jim Robinson

Yeah. Maybe amnesty, individual mandate in obamacare, global warming are not that bad. Maybe we learn to love amnesty!

Besides, fairness doctrine and working for fannie mae lobbyist and lying about are nothing to worry about.


39 posted on 12/04/2011 3:13:54 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (just say no to amnesty))
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To: Jim Robinson

Yeah. Maybe amnesty, individual mandate in obamacare, global warming are not that bad. Maybe we learn to love amnesty!

Besides, fairness doctrine and working for fannie mae lobbyist and lying about are nothing to worry about.


40 posted on 12/04/2011 3:14:05 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (just say no to amnesty))
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed, why is FR so fickle today?

Mostly error messages...grrr....


41 posted on 12/04/2011 3:18:48 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed, why is FR so fickle today?

Mostly error messages...grrr....


42 posted on 12/04/2011 3:18:55 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed, why is FR so fickle today?

Mostly error messages...grrr....


43 posted on 12/04/2011 3:19:00 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed, why is FR so fickle today?

Mostly error messages...grrr....


44 posted on 12/04/2011 3:19:03 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Jim Robinson

Agreed, why is FR so fickle today?

Mostly error messages...grrr....


45 posted on 12/04/2011 3:19:15 PM PST by Las Vegas Ron (Rush Limbaugh = the Beethoven of talk radio)
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To: Kenny
It seems he’s only ahead because he’s articulate.

The reason Romney, Perry, Ron Paul, etc., have so much trouble articulating conservative principles, values, vision, and policy proposals is precisely because ...

Conservative principles, values, vision, and policy proposals ARE NOT THEIR PRIMARY NATURE.

"Obviously, you cannot transmit something you haven't got."

46 posted on 12/04/2011 3:25:21 PM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: rabscuttle385

We can trust Newt as much as the first two wives could.


47 posted on 12/04/2011 3:27:30 PM PST by Hattie
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To: Jim Robinson

Santorum looked like nervous college kid yesterday.
Bachmann was better.

Still, he and Bachmann are the only conservatives running. I
I’n not going to vote any amnesty friek nor RINOs. I’ll stick with the choice of Bachmann or Santorun.

Rino attacking conservatives with “radical rightwing social engineering’ line will not get my vote.

Romney, perry, newt, huntsman, paul are absolute not acceptable.
We also have small chance for brokered convention and actual conservative nominee, if Bachmann or Santorum fail.


48 posted on 12/04/2011 3:31:15 PM PST by heiss (heartless and inhumane (just say no to amnesty))
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To: Joe 6-pack; onyx; Syncro

Well, my first choice didn’t run, my second is failing, my third just dropped out, and the next tier down can’t gain traction. So now the main thing I have in mind is to not allow one the dregs of the Republican party, a man who has never actually been Republican, liberal progressive Mitt Romney to win the nomination.

Never will I vote for or support that miserable lying scumbag Romney. Not even in the general. Not going to reward an abortionist, gay rights pushing, gun grabbing, big government, mandate loving, socialist healthcare pushing, paper hanging RINO SOB with the presidency.

I will fall in line and support whichever of the remaining pro-life, pro-family Republican candidates who is leading after the first four early primaries, if it appears he/she has a shot of defeating both Romney and Obama.

It’s beginning to look a lot like Gingrich. Every where you go.

Unless Sarah Palin is drafted, it’s now anyone but Romney for me.


49 posted on 12/04/2011 3:32:45 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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To: Las Vegas Ron

We’re having a problem with one of our servers. Hopefully, we’ll get it fixed soon.


50 posted on 12/04/2011 3:36:46 PM PST by Jim Robinson (Rebellion is brewing!! Impeach the corrupt Marxist bastard!!)
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