Posted on 12/05/2011 9:18:29 AM PST by GregNH
Herbert W. Titus is of counsel to the law firm of William J. Olson, P.C. Prior to his association with this firm, Mr. Titus taught constitutional law, common law, and other subjects for nearly 30 years at five different American Bar Association approved law schools. From 1986 to 1993, he served as the founding Dean of the College of Law and Government in Regent University, Virginia Beach, Virginia. Prior to his academic career, he served as a Trial Attorney and a Special Assistant United States Attorney with the United States Department of Justice in Washington, D.C. and Kansas City, Missouri. Today he is engaged in a general practice with a concentration in constitutional strategy, litigation, and appeals.
Mr. Titus holds the J.D. degree (cum laude) from Harvard and the B.S. degree in Political Science from the University of Oregon from which he graduated Phi Beta Kappa. He is an active member of the bar of Virginia and an inactive member of the bar of Oregon. He is admitted to practice before the United States Supreme Court, the United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia, the United States Court of Claims, and the United States Courts of Appeals for the Sixth, Seventh, Ninth, Tenth, District of Columbia and Federal Circuits. His constitutional practice has taken him into federal district courts in Alabama, Arizona, Georgia, Montana, North Carolina, Oklahoma, Oregon, Texas, Wyoming, and the District of Columbia and the state courts of Idaho, Texas and North Dakota.
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...from which he graduated Phi Beta Kappa
How does one do that, exactly? It's a fraternity, not a degree or other qualification, after all. Is he a Master of Beer Chugging?
This was not the guidance for 1966,67.
Evidence? When was the law changed? What was the text before the change?
>> Evidence? When was the law changed? What was the text before the change? <<
It’s guidance, not law. The Obama Administration instituted the policy a parent cannot move out of the country and renounce a child’s U.S. Citizenship.
Obot’s consider the guidance issued in 2009 to apply to 1966, 1967. It’s laughable.
Obama was adopted by Lolo Soetoro and renamed Barry Soetoro. Lolo Soetoro was listed as the birth father on Barry Soetoro’s Hawaiian COLB after the adoption was finalized.
Why wouldn’t the SoS in 1966 or 1967 accept an Oath of Renunciation from a kid born in Hawaii with an Indonesian father who had moved back to Indonesia to live there indefinitely?
Interesting, thank you.
You have appeared during the past few years to speak knowledgeably about State Department workings. Please bear with me while I pursue my “naturalization was required because there is no evidence he was born in the U.S.” line for a moment.
If you know, did Indonesia’s immigration or adoption requirements at the time require the mother to renounce the child’s U.S. citizenship - or is there evidence she did so of her own volition?
If so, would that action have conclusively ended the minor child’s U.S. citizenship from the U.S. perspective?
If so, wouldn't a record of that action be found in State Dept records?
Was it also necessary for the mother to renounce her citizenship; if so, are you aware of whether she ever had U.S. citizenship thereafter without being naturalized?
Thanks again.
I am still curious as to when "Esquire" came to be accepted. I remember being a bit shocked when I saw the title (?) being used in America and in the Twentieth Century, no less.
Current Connecticut zip codes: http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/zip_codes/CT.htm
Current Hawaii zip codes: http://www.mongabay.com/igapo/zip_codes/HA.htm
Honolulu is 96801 through 96850.
Now say you live in 96810 and put that in a form. Then the person entering that form into a computer system dives for the 9 but hits 0 instead. If the computer system sorts by zip code it now thinks you live in 06810 or Danbury Connecticut.
Or maybe BHO’s teenage handwriting was so sloppy that his 9’s looked like zeros and it just got entered that way.
Regardless the idea is that this is then one person making one error (more plausible) and not a massive conspiracy involving both political parties (somewhat less plausible).
It sounds like you're not up to speed on this issue. This will get you started.
That sounds a lot like a breach of security that the Secret Service wouldn't allow.
The Secret service cannot help Obama for the records he left behind before becoming Precedent.
I would not put it past them to create a fake ID number as a cover for the real one.
Obama himself left it on his Tax return, and it corresponds with other uses of the number by himself, prior to becoming precedent.
But assuming that we do know it and it starts with a Connecticut code: a Danbury CT zip code and a Honolulu HI zip code only differ by the first digit (06814 vs. 96814).
You would go to the trouble to discover this, but not why people believe him to have a Connecticut social security number?
Also, check out Debbie Schlussel's website for his fake Selective Service form.
Only the Secretary of State (SoS), representing the Executive Branch of the U.S. (POTUS), can terminate a persons U.S. Citizenship. This is done when the SoS signs a Certificate of Loss of Nationality with an official U.S. State Department Seal is pressed into the document.
An Oath of Renunciation is a request for the SoS to issue a Certificate of Loss of Nationality. Issuing a Certificate of Loss of Nationality is optional. The State Department keeps a policy manual for guidance to ensure everyone is treated the same. But, policies change and there are exceptions to every policy statement.
Several copies of the Certificate of Loss of Nationality are retained and issued to various Executive Branch federal agencies; i.e. State Department, FBI, INS, Secret Service, IRS, etc.
It’s the greatest fraud ever perpetrated on the United States.
You don't think this one odd number would stick out in the Hawaiian Social security office where they would immediately recognize it as a mistake? (Presumably Hawaiian Social Security officials would know what is the correct prefix for Hawaii, though with the competence shown by Hawaiian officials up to this point, it really could be otherwise. :) )
Or maybe BHO’s teenage handwriting was so sloppy that his 9’s looked like zeros and it just got entered that way.
Since when do people get to pick their own social security numbers? I once made a one digit mistake on my social security number when filling out my tax return, the IRS immediately informed me that this was incorrect. You would have thought Barry would be so informed at least once in the last 30 years. :)
Regardless the idea is that this is then one person making one error (more plausible) and not a massive conspiracy involving both political parties (somewhat less plausible).
Why do you keep alleging a conspiracy? When the state issues a replacement birth certificate for an adopted child (such as me and probably barry as well) then it is NOT a conspiracy. By the same logic, if an agency which represents the interests of a child has their main office in Connecticut and submits a request from their main office for said child, it is also not a conspiracy. What MIGHT be a conspiracy is if said child and his lawyers hide stuff from the American People to mislead them about his qualifications and credentials.
Will assume the contents of your #49 are applicable to the timeline you set out upthread.
If O was indeed naturalized upon returning to the U.S., there should be i) documentation of that event or ii) a hole in the record.
Naturalization would have been due to one of two possibilities; he was not ever a U.S. citizen or his citizenship was previously renounced.
Even if there is no evidence of naturalization:
If Indonesia required formal renunciation of U.S. citizenship via a Certificate; and
If there are no such copies held by the several agencies you mentioned; then one can conclude
There was no citizenship to be renounced.
LOL. Yeah, that’s what I was thinking. Great pictorial.
I kind of hated to stick those gifs on this thread but I seriously think that is 0bozo’s maturity level. He has demonstrated it on numerous occasions.
You’ve been posting this same crap, probably have it so you cut and paste, in every NBC thread. Put up or shut up.
I never said BHO picked his own SSN, I meant to say that one possibility for BHO’s zip code being entered incorrectly is sloppy handwriting. But this is pure speculation.
I do not allege any conspiracy. I argue that conspiracy is required for this ‘multiple SSN’ stupidity to be true.
If you want to switch the topic to birth certificates, the same applies. For BHO’s birth info to be anything other than what is presented at face value by the short form and long form presented, a massive conspiracy is required.
I just don't think you comprehend my point. *I* have a birth certificate issued by the state which REPLACES my *ORIGINAL* birth certificate. My current legal birth certificate is NOT my *ORIGINAL* birth certificate!
If it is true for me, why can it not be true for Obama? There is plenty of evidence to indicate he was adopted. Also, when a state creates these replacement birth certificates, IT IS NOT A CONSPIRACY! It is the normal operation of the law regarding adoptions.
I am going to show Bushpilot1 (someone I trust) a small portion of my birth certificate, so that he can attest that I am not full of bull sh*t.
Regardless, I have not seen any evidence that BHO was legally adopted in the US by anyone. Just the usual Birther speculation and overactive imagination.
And if BHO was legally adopted in the US by someone other than his birth parents, that wouldn't change his place of birth nor his NBC status.
You don't agree? Well, that's perfectly all right.
Produce the documentation that proves your assertion or stop making unsubstantiated claims.
I'll get back to that later. In my opinion, this stuff is all variations on a theme. (Obama is a liar, and is surrounded by peculiarities.)
Regardless, I have not seen any evidence that BHO was legally adopted in the US by anyone. Just the usual Birther speculation and overactive imagination.
If you see some evidence would you just pooh pooh it, or would you start paying attention? I have long had an idea how some might be obtained, but i'm a little concerned about doing it myself. I should suggest the idea to butterzillion, she seems fearless.
And if BHO was legally adopted in the US by someone other than his birth parents, that wouldn't change his place of birth nor his NBC status.
And how do you know this? I can't get over the fact that Hawaii will issue birth certificates to people not actually born there! Given that Hawaii allows such a thing, How do you KNOW where he was born?
You don't agree? Well, that's perfectly all right.
I don't agree that we have conclusive proof of ANYTHING regarding barack. You on the other hand, want to accept something (from the lyingest man in the nation) as a matter of faith.
But a professor on a faculty does, and deserves the honor. He's teaching law, not just practicing it. Before one is a lawyer, he/she is a student. Most lawyers are not teachers. Duh! Check out his curriculum vitae -- a bit more than a local divorce lawyer, eh?
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