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Hillary has greater problems closer to home
Jerusalem Post ^ | Dec 05, 2011

Posted on 12/06/2011 4:10:46 PM PST by SJackson

Now that Americans and Israelis may have finished arguing about the campaign to bring emigrants back home, they are in full tilt about comments made by Secretary of State Hillary Clinton. At a "closed" but thoroughly leaked meeting of Israeli and Americans concerned with public affairs, she expressed deep concern over what she termed a wave of anti-democratic legislation, and Israeli treatment of women.

She is said to have taken special aim at a Knesset bill meant to limit overseas donations to human rights organizations. She is also shocked by the fact that some Jerusalem buses have separate seating areas for men and women, which made her think about the story of Rosa Parks' refusal to give up a seat to a white passenger in the 1960s. The practice of some IDF soldiers to leave events with female singers reminds her of Iran.

Several Israeli politicians have reacted with their own shrill voices. The Minister of Finance said that Israeli democracy is alive and kicking. The Minister of Environmental Protection said that elected officials should "examine their domestic problems first." In other words, Clinton ought to mind her own business.

Both Israeli ministers are on record opposing the items that caused Clinton to express her feelings, and accused her of gross exaggeration.

The Minister of the Interior expressed himself somewhat differently. "I assume that whatever will be done here will be within the measure of the law." He is the parliamentary leader of SHAS, the ultra-Orthodox Sephardi party. This exchange may best to put into the category of items where Hillary Clinton spoke too much and too shrilly, as well as items showing her and the President's thin understanding of things Middle Eastern.

In regard to her comments about Israeli democracy, Ms Clinton was sounding like a copy of Israeli politicians of the left and center. They roundly oppose proposals to limit the funding of human rights and other leftist organizations, even while some have criticized foreign governments that fund organizations that are extreme in their anti-Israel activities. There is also wide opposition of proposals to provide elected politicians with more of a say over the selection of Supreme Court judges. However, those proposals would bring the Israel process of selecting judges closer to the overtly political procedures of Clinton's own country.

None of the objectionable proposals have become law. That meaning to increase the role of politicians in the selection of Supreme Court judges was taken off the agenda before it received serious consideration by the Knesset. That meaning to restrict donations to left-wing organizations has been modified to narrow its scope, and is still far from being approved.

The last time I considered the definitions of democracy, they did not contain restrictions against making proposals, or arguing about what governments should or should not be doing.

The American Congress, like the Israeli Knesset, has lots of members who propose actions to suit their own whims or those of supporters. Only a small fraction of items introduced get a serious consideration, and only a portion of those find themselves enacted into law, most often altered along the way. And political scientists concerned with public administration know that there may be a world of difference between the language enacted and the actions ultimately implemented.

Clinton's comments on women's rights also deserve a low grade due to her shallowness and shrillness. Perhaps we should applaud her for limiting herself to women's rights on buses and as performers, and not as participants in Orthodox religious ceremonies. That's also something that Jews argue about, but the evidence is that seating and participation in the rituals have been segregated, at least since the 11th century. The majority of American Jews affiliated with non-Orthodox congregations may look askance as the practice, but that is how the vast majority of Israeli Jews practice their religion.

Segregated buses serve only the ultra-Orthodox communities, and the indications are that women in those communities tend to support the separation. When I ride Jerusalem's #4 bus from French Hill through Mea She'arim to the city center, or bus #68 through Bar Ilan Street toward the Central Bus Station, I notice that ultra-Orthodox women getting on in those areas would rather stand than sit next to a male. They hold on with one hand while holding a book of Psalms or the prayer for travel in the other hand, and move their lips while reading the text silently.

When a religious couple that appears to be married gets on the bus together then sits separately, other passengers may conclude that it is one of the woman's "impure" days. (I'll leave it to others to explain that to the uninformed.)

Rabbis as well as politicians and ordinary Israelis are arguing about the recent uptick in religious Jews' concerns for the separation of the sexes. If someone would translate for Ms Clinton just about any page of Talmud, she might notice that argument is central to Jewish culture. It happens in just about every Israeli political party, as well as religious academies and the study groups associated with synagogues.

On relative scores for democracy, Ms Clinton might profit from a lesson in some of the more extensive ways of thinking about the concept. Someone ought to remind her about social and economic conditions existing within walking distance of the American Capitol, and in just about every other large city. Low scores on high school completion, knowledge of civic issues and voting rates, not to mention health care, along with scores off the chart of western democracies for violence and incarceration suggest that she ought really to be talking more about what is closer to her home.


TOPICS: Editorial; Israel; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: hillary; hitlery; humaabedin; israel

1 posted on 12/06/2011 4:10:54 PM PST by SJackson
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2 posted on 12/06/2011 4:13:32 PM PST by SJackson (Haven't changed the environment, just take a bath. Eat a piece of chocolate. You need one. Michelle)
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To: SJackson
In other words, Clinton ought to mind her own business.

LOL!

Her own business is something Hillary couldn't mind very well.

Especially when he was president...

3 posted on 12/06/2011 4:15:20 PM PST by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: SJackson

Has hillary yet noticed anything a bit oppressive about the Muslim treatment of women?

Honor killings, stonings, rapes for which the women are held responsible, polygamous marriage, divorce at the recital of a few words by the husband?


4 posted on 12/06/2011 4:15:57 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: SJackson

Even if she was 1/4 as bright as she thinks she is, we’d still be in trouble with her as Secretary of State. Sorry Hillary, you’re not up to the job.


5 posted on 12/06/2011 4:18:25 PM PST by holyscroller ( Without God, America is one nation under)
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To: SJackson

Clinton, Obama promote gay rights as human rights around the world

Geneva, Switzerland (CNN) — U.S. Secretary of State Hillary Clinton challenged nations around the world Tuesday to recognize that “gay rights are human rights and human rights are gay rights,” building on an order by President Barack Obama directing all U.S. agencies to “promote and protect” the rights of gay people,

In an impassioned defense of such rights, Clinton called the rights of lesbian, gay, bisexual, and transgender people “universal” and criticized nations that criminalize gay behavior or tolerate abuse of gay, bisexual or transgendered people

Clinton made the unusually strong speech as Obama announced a presidential directive to use U.S. foreign aid to promote rights for gays and lesbians abroad, including combating attempts by foreign governments to criminalize homosexuality and making treatment of gays a factor in awarding foreign aid.

READ MORE……..
http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/06/world/us-world-gay-rights/


6 posted on 12/06/2011 4:22:47 PM PST by Jonah Vark (Any 5th grader knows that the Constitution declares the separation of powers.)
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To: SJackson

Hillary demeaned herself by asking the world to understand and accept queers. She further totally demeaned herself by tieing her disgusting long hair in a pony tail.

Helen Thomas now has a rival for disgusting leftist appearance poster girl


7 posted on 12/06/2011 4:24:58 PM PST by bert (K.E. N.P. +12 ..... Crucifixion is coming)
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To: SJackson
Ms Clinton lives with a powerful man who led on and took advantage of a young intern, other women of record and she calls out the Israeli sexist treatment of women?

"Not being beautiful was the true blessing. Not being beautiful forced me to develop my inner resources. The pretty girl has a handicap to overcome"- Golda Meir

8 posted on 12/06/2011 4:26:34 PM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: SJackson

Hillary has always thought she was president. Now she thinks she is the Pope.

By her fiat, Israel orthodox practices must end, because it does not advance her abortion agenda, or because it exhibits a devotion to a religion other than Islam, or because it has practices much milder on women than her preferred religion of Islam.

We know them by their fruits, friends. Let’s call what we see by its name. Hillary is an infiltrator, surrounded by infiltrators, and has done nothing to save the lives of Christians, and no interest in aiding, assisting, supporting or saving Christians from the brutalities of her religion of choice and favor, Islam. Enough.


9 posted on 12/06/2011 4:42:54 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: SJackson
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10 posted on 12/06/2011 4:43:12 PM PST by Huskrrrr
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To: Jonah Vark

Mostly, Hillary Clinton wants Benjamen Netanyahu gone. Anything to side with his enemies is what she will be seen doing. She is a wrecking ball to peace and at any price she will foment destruction against Israel, as she has gone over to the dark side.


11 posted on 12/06/2011 4:49:08 PM PST by RitaOK (Rasmussen- the polling standard for accuracy.)
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To: SJackson
So is she disturbed about the Christian women being kidnapped and raped by Muslims? Or the right of Muslims to beat their wives and honor kill their daughters?

Hypocrite

12 posted on 12/06/2011 4:51:48 PM PST by RnMomof7
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To: Huskrrrr

Did the woman in the white coat off Hillary’s left shoulder just “goose” her? That’s the impression I get from the photo. Eeeewwww! Go wash that hand!


14 posted on 12/06/2011 5:03:11 PM PST by Tucker39
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To: Jonah Vark

Why isn’t she running all over IRAN preaching this?? She could take a few thousand HomoSexual and Lesbian Activists with her to demonstrate to the Iranians that it is perfectly normal.


15 posted on 12/06/2011 5:47:32 PM PST by eyeamok
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16 posted on 12/06/2011 8:55:16 PM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Jaidyn

It was Dick Morris, but you shouldn’t curse on FR... you’ll get Zotted!


17 posted on 12/06/2011 8:59:09 PM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna

The face is the index of the mind.


18 posted on 12/06/2011 9:03:14 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell.)
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To: Cincinna

She is so evil.


19 posted on 12/06/2011 9:32:07 PM PST by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: SJackson
I have Mark Steyn on Rush, a few years back, when he talked about the ADL/Foxman going after Rush about some nonsense I can't recall right now.

The point being, there's no fear when going after a soft target.

20 posted on 12/06/2011 9:33:40 PM PST by synbad600
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To: Cicero

Well, she’s just unwilling to talk about those things in public, because she wants to keep that ugly of head of hers attached to her neck.....!


21 posted on 12/06/2011 9:44:59 PM PST by onyx (PLEASE SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC:DONATE MONTHLY! Sarah's New Ping List - tell me if you want on it.)
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To: fight_truth_decay

Bill has assaulted or at the very least pressured 1000’s of women to debase themselves. Hillary has a credibility gap unlike any feminist on the planet. As far as smart? She picked Willie the Willy. How smart was that?


22 posted on 12/07/2011 12:02:18 AM PST by liberty or death
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To: Cincinna

I agree with Rush...who wants to see a female president age as she has?

She ain’t no Golda Meir or Margaret Thatcher.

She needs a shorter “do”. The look she had when Bill was running for President is so 20 years ago.


23 posted on 12/07/2011 12:12:52 AM PST by dixiechick2000 (Proud barbarian TEA Party SOB and, apparently, an evil Capitalist.)
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To: eyeamok

She’ll just bring along Huma, like she always does.


24 posted on 12/07/2011 12:57:45 AM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: fight_truth_decay

“Ms Clinton lives with a powerful man”
No she spends 24/7 with Huma Abedin.


25 posted on 12/07/2011 12:59:44 AM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna; Jaidyn
No, it was Hillary that used the phrase FJB

(Shortened to pass mod test hopefully)

26 posted on 12/07/2011 4:38:24 AM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Cincinna

I posted the direct quote too quickly, but it was Hillary who said it verbatim. I’m not normally a swearer, but Hillary sure is. I’d delete the post if I could.


27 posted on 12/07/2011 4:38:43 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: Jaidyn; Cincinna

It was removed, but not before I saw it.

See my post just above yours.

Oh, and here is a link to a thread about it on Free Republic back in the day.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/810529/posts


28 posted on 12/07/2011 4:45:31 AM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Cicero; All
Hillary has a record of being anti Israel


She loved Mrs. Arafat


Both cheeks.


It isn't always cheeks. Oops, photoshopped...

She only seems to kiss women and homos, especially if they hate Israel too.


29 posted on 12/07/2011 5:09:25 AM PST by Syncro (Sarah Palin, the unofficial Tea Party candidate for president--Virtual Jerusalem)
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To: Syncro

If you are a liberal, using such language is totally acceptable to other liberals.

And that means the MSM will totally ignore it.

On the other hand, if you are a Republican or conservative, all hell will break loose.


30 posted on 12/07/2011 5:30:21 AM PST by Fresh Wind ('People have got to know whether or not their President is a crook.' Richard M. Nixon)
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To: Syncro

Thank you! And, I’m glad it got deleted. I cut and pasted her quote, and didn’t pay attention. Your link brought back memories!


31 posted on 12/07/2011 5:32:12 AM PST by Jaidyn
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To: bert
"...She further totally demeaned herself by tieing her disgusting long hair in a pony tail......"

What is it with Hillary's appearance lately...? I thought she actually looked pretty good with the swept back hair style a few years ago.

Of course, she was also about 50 lbs thinner. Tough life, what with all those State dinners and so forth. And I think 'ole Hill can knock back some whiskey....she looks terrible.

32 posted on 12/07/2011 6:49:31 AM PST by Victor (If an expert says it can't be done, get another expert." -David Ben-Gurion, the first Prime Minister)
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To: Cincinna

This is a picture of a woman who could stick a knife in you, blame the stabbing on you, then berate you for the insensitivity of bleeding on her clothes.


33 posted on 12/07/2011 7:39:53 AM PST by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: liberty or death

All true.


34 posted on 12/07/2011 8:02:53 AM PST by fight_truth_decay
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To: Syncro

Of course, you’re right. It was Hillary who called Dick Morris a FJB and hurled that insult around a lot. Slick was right there. She even called her own husband
the same . She is a tough b**** with a filthy mouth.


35 posted on 12/07/2011 11:39:29 AM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Vor Lady

LOL!


36 posted on 12/07/2011 11:43:21 AM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna

She needs to go back to a short hairstyle. She is old for that look.


37 posted on 12/07/2011 5:32:08 PM PST by tioga
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To: Cincinna

Who in the world is advising her to wear her hair this way? This is awful. She looked her best with the shorter cut.


38 posted on 12/07/2011 9:32:54 PM PST by Swede Girl
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To: Swede Girl
Who in the world is advising her to wear her hair this way?

Why are you looking at me, I didn't!

39 posted on 12/07/2011 9:35:02 PM PST by Revolting cat! (Let us prey!)
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To: Victor
Hillary still has plans, big plans. She had to ditch the butch cut and outfits, marry off Huma to Weiner, and dress more like a matron instead of a dyke.

According to US News , she's running! "Hillary Campaign Conspicuously Emerges" - Washington Whispers (usnews.com) http://www.usnews.com/news/blogs/washington-whispers/2011/12/07/hillary-campaign-conspicuosly-emerges

HILLARY & HUMA




40 posted on 12/07/2011 10:19:21 PM PST by Cincinna ( *** NOBAMA 2012 ***)
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To: Cincinna
It's really unbelievable how much better Hillary looked when she ran against obama. She desperately needs a haircut, and she needs to travel with a personal chef who will keep her to a diet.

Now that I said that, why do I care....

41 posted on 12/09/2011 2:40:50 PM PST by Dr. Scarpetta
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Thanks Cincinna and Huskrrrr, and thanks SJackson for the topic.
42 posted on 12/10/2011 12:14:56 PM PST by SunkenCiv (It's never a bad time to FReep this link -- https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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