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Is The Church Brainwashing Black Folks Against Homosexuality?
News One ^ | December 6, 2011 | Terrell Jermaine Starr

Posted on 12/07/2011 5:10:40 PM PST by presidio9

Is the pulpit brain-washing blacks against supporting Lesbian, Gay, Bi-sexual and Transgendered (LGBT) people?

It depends on who you ask. LGBT advocates have different perspectives on why blacks do not align themselves with gay rights causes. To varying degrees, many LGBT rights advocates say that the church is the singlemost influential factor in black opinion on homosexuality.

Antonio David Garcia, executive director of Affirmations, a Detroit-area LGBT civil rights group, says what’s worse is that those opinions are often homophobic and go unchallenged.

“Everyday we face religious bigotry [from the church],” Garcia says. “They’ve got to start questioning some of the stuff they’re hearing from the pulpit. Dr. King made that very clear in what he talked about as the soft mindedness of sheep being followed by the priest.”

More than 80 percent of African Americans consider themselves to have some religious believes with at least half of them attending church activities on a weekly basis, according to the Pew Research Center. Additionally, nearly 50 percent of African Americans are against same-sex marriage and have overwhelmingly supported state bans on marriage equality whenever such measures have come before voters.

Almost all of these voters cite their religion as the reason why they cast their ballots in favor of the bans.

That more than half of African Americans in California voted for Barack Obama while overwhelmingly supporting Proposition 8 — a measure that successfully banned gay marriage in the state in 2008 — reveals just how distinct blacks feel the two issues of black progress and gay progress are.

Some LGBT advocates say the black church is so interwoven in the fabric of the African American psyche that convincing black Americans that religion has nothing to do with homosexuality will be a futile endeavor. Black people and the church are “inextricably linked,” says Pastor Joseph Tolton of Rehodoth Temple Christ Conscious Church in Harlem.

“The church still has so much influence and they continue to use influence in a negative way,” Pastor Tolton says. “So that you’ve got people being driven further and further into the closet.

But other activists, like Sharon Lettman-Hicks, Executive Director and CEO of the National Black Justice Coalition in Washington, D.C., prefers taking the emphasis off of religion because, she says, faith has nothing to do with ensuring every American has equal protection under the law.

“At the end of the day, discriminating against LGBT people because of your own social prejudice is just wrong,” says Sharon Lettman-Hicks.

“One thing people have to realize is that LGBT black people are black people too,” says Sharon Lettman-Hicks. “When we look at the conversation of resistance in the African American community, we have to look at in context.”

That context, some LGBT advocates say, encompasses issues that have nothing to with homosexuality at all.

Pastor Tolton mentioned how black women can be manipulable by conservative interpretations of the Bible. For example, many black women in America find it daunting to find black man with whom they they share the “trifecta” of intellectual, emotional and financial security.

Sixty-seven percent of black women are college graduates as compared to just thirty-seven percent of black men. Additionally, as black women move through graduate school and join the professional ranks, their chances of finding a black man plummets even further.

Add to the mix the perceived fear that more black men will be lost to homosexuality if women do not oppose gay rights in the pews and at the ballot box, a black woman may be less inclined to lend her support to a cause she may feel drains her already dwindling mating pool.

“You’ve got single black women doing very well, who for every one black man with a graduate degree in this country, has five black women,” says Pastor Joseph Tolton. “You’ve got that whole class of 35 and 40-year-old women who are well-educated and cannot find a black man. So you’ve got that population that’s frightened.”

Wilhelmina Perry, a facilitator of Faith Leaders of African Descent, an organization of openly LGBT people of faith and clergy, says she and members of her organization are working to curb that fear in the African American community by simply being openly LGBT. Perry understands that not everyone has the security and self-assurance to reveal their sexuality, but she feels being open about themselves is essential to showing straight blacks that they are just like everyone else.

“If we aren’t visible in our communities, then the issue of human rights or the issue of civil rights just never gets raised because there is nobody there raising them,” Perry says.

“It’s important to become visible with your family and your community and your church community. It is important that they see us.”

Garcia agrees.

“Many African American and Latino men are on the DL and are not out and open,” Garcia says. “And that is, as Harvey Milk would say, is the most important thing. Once they come out of the closet those families that those people belong to are forced to make a decision. Not an intellectual decision but an emotional decision. Its one thing to say I don’t like gay people. It’s another thing to say I don’t like my son or my uncle Jim.”

Detroit, where eight-two percent of the population is black, gives Garcia a unique perspective on how blacks perceive LGBT issues. He believes that education is one of the major issues that keeps black Amercans from realizing how closely tied they are to LGBT rights. He mentions Langston Hughes and Alec Baldwin as great African American figures who lead mostly closeted lives. Then he mentions the black gay man who kept the March on Washington “straight.”

“Bayard Rustin was the architect of the March on Washington and a good friend of Dr. King’s,” Garcia said. “Bayard Rustin was a gay, black man. Nobody’s taught that in church and nobody is taught that in their public schools . He’s a Civil Rights icon that nobody knows much about unless you studied this stuff.”

But despite how resistant blacks are to joining LGBT causes, there are signs of hope.

Detroiters elected elected Charles Pugh, an openly gay television reporter, to the Detroit City Council in 2009. It was an unheard of milestone in a city that boasts a robust, black church lobby.

A number of clergymen objected to Pugh’s sexuality in private, but private is how those objections remained.

“People have whispered things about Charles Pugh’s homosexuality that they wouldn’t dare say in public, partly because they don’t want to be singled out,” Mildred Gaddis said during a 2009 interview with Time magazine.

In Washington D.C., another bastion of African American culture and political might, its City Council passed a same-sex marriage bill 11-2. The one of the two bailouts: Marion Barry.

Lettman-Hicks says people should not be surprised by this result and says one consideration many observers of D.C.’s LGBT movement overlook is that the District has a large African American LGBT community.

“[D.C.] is a very evolved city,” Lettman-Hicks says. “We have a very organized movement of self-empowered people within the black and LGBT communities who were got going to be denied their rights.”

“Marriage, in terms of how we pursue marriage equality, is going down to the court house, taking out a license and being able to say that you want to legally bound your life to someone,” Lettman-Hicks says. “Anything else above that the church can do whatever they want. If the church doesn’t agree with it that’s their business.”

Lettman-Hicks has a final word for black folks who interpret the Bible and religion too literally.

“There were people who said that, as black people, we should remain slaves,” she argued. “There were people who said that women should not have a voice or be in the pulpit. And the Bible says that you shouldn’t eat shell fish so, at the end of the day, black people should stop eating crab and shrimp and then I can hear you.”


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As Terrell is not identifying any specific "church," I am assuming he means organized Christianity in general.
1 posted on 12/07/2011 5:10:41 PM PST by presidio9
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To: presidio9

What? I don’t think homosex is thought highly of by black folks already.


2 posted on 12/07/2011 5:14:47 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: presidio9

It looks like the queers will now start directing their agenda towards the Church.

Sick bastards.


3 posted on 12/07/2011 5:18:05 PM PST by Venturer
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To: presidio9

I would surmise that practitioners of unnatural and deviant sex don’t read the word of God.And if they do,they conveniently skip those many verses.


4 posted on 12/07/2011 5:21:57 PM PST by hwkbeer
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To: hwkbeer

Or the just go to Rev Wright’s church...


5 posted on 12/07/2011 5:27:23 PM PST by null and void (This is day 1051 of America's ObamaVacation from reality.)
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To: null and void

LOL, but don’t homosexuals seem to turn up murdered at that church?


6 posted on 12/07/2011 5:30:49 PM PST by hwkbeer
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To: presidio9

Brain washing the brain washed?


7 posted on 12/07/2011 5:35:54 PM PST by TASMANIANRED (We kneel to no prince but the Prince of Peace)
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To: presidio9

Prolly depends on how easily black people can be brainwashed, Terrell.


8 posted on 12/07/2011 5:36:49 PM PST by yup2394871293
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To: presidio9

Where does one begin to unravel the lunacy upon which this question is premised?


9 posted on 12/07/2011 5:41:41 PM PST by old school
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To: null and void
It's not just Rev. Wright's church.
10 posted on 12/07/2011 5:42:00 PM PST by rabidralph
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To: presidio9

To call the church “discriminates(brainwashes) against homosexuality” is to say the teaching of the truth and the teaching of the Lord Jesus is brainwashing!

These people despise the Church,and our Saviour Jesus Christ, and God! The most hated words of the Lord is: “I am the way, the truth and the life; no man cometh to the Father but by Me.”

Yes, the fool has said in his heart , there is no God; and we know there is a way that seemeth right unto a man, but the end thereof are the ways of death.”

We should all love the verse in Proverbs 16:6:”By mercy and truth eniquity is purged; and by the fear of the LORD men depart from evil.”


11 posted on 12/07/2011 5:42:10 PM PST by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: Venturer
It looks like the queers will now start directing their agenda towards the Church.

Depends on what you mean by "the Church." They've been pulling this crap with Catholicism for decades.

12 posted on 12/07/2011 5:43:33 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

So.... is the media admitting that those ‘in power’ would use the ‘church’ to brainwash it’s citizens, or has been using it to do so?


13 posted on 12/07/2011 5:57:01 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: presidio9
“The church still has so much influence and they continue to use influence in a negative way,” Pastor Tolton says.

So the LGBTs consider the church teaching and preaching the Bible to be a negative influence. Well down is up and wrong is right with these queers and assorted nuts. May God have mercy on them, protect those who are being led astray, and lead them all from their misguided ways.

14 posted on 12/07/2011 6:02:42 PM PST by Waryone
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To: presidio9
So who was burning all those black folks' churches? Was it the GLBTQ bunch or just crackers? Maybe gay crackers? What would you call a gay cracker, anyway? A BathHouse Cracker? If those are made by elves, I don'wannaknow.

Sheesh.

15 posted on 12/07/2011 6:05:34 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: LetMarch

Seems to me that even the most liberal Christians would agree that no one who truely follows Christ should be defining him or her self based primarily on sexual practices.


16 posted on 12/07/2011 6:05:55 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

What would you call a gay cracker, anyway?

17 posted on 12/07/2011 6:08:10 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

I didn’t see where Malcom X supports homosexuals.


18 posted on 12/07/2011 6:08:23 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: presidio9

Dangit! Something else ruined....


19 posted on 12/07/2011 6:12:39 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: presidio9
To varying degrees, many LGBT rights advocates say that the church is the singlemost influential factor in black opinion on homosexuality.

When a statement is prefaced with "...many (fill in any group here, normal or pervert) say that..." it is a childish, but effective way to say, "it's a tiny group, but I agree with their position," which is, in most cases, irrelevant and meaningless.

It's just another way of saying, falsely, that the "majority" is "for it" and you want to be among the majority, right?
Here's an adult question for the doofus author : what prompts people not brainwashed by any religion or group to exhibit constant homonausea?

20 posted on 12/07/2011 6:33:28 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: Venturer

it’s genocide of christians they want, so as to free the weakening state from criticism and abuse.

When the state is making settlements and colonizing neighborhoods and turning them into havens of hell, saying racistly blacks cannot believe but be brainwashed, this is what we get.


21 posted on 12/07/2011 6:33:40 PM PST by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: presidio9
Look for Gay Klansmen to be terrorizing black neighborhoods soon.


22 posted on 12/07/2011 6:42:58 PM PST by MuttTheHoople (Democrats- Forgetting 9/11 since 9/12/01)
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To: JudgemAll

I believe you are on the right track, I have that Socialist and religion do not mix. Our country is on track for Socialism.Perhaps that is why the Homosexual agenda is becoming so strong-—with Government help.


23 posted on 12/07/2011 7:15:15 PM PST by Venturer
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To: UCANSEE2
Interesting article. From the website the Root, an African-American group, you'll notice that blacks in general do NOT support the gay agenda at all. They find it insulting to make homosexuality "equal" to civil rights, plus they are steeped in the Biblical injunctions against homosexuality.

BTW, This quote made me laugh: "He mentions Langston Hughes and Alec Baldwin as great African American figures who lead mostly closeted lives." I think they meant James Baldwin. Unless there's a prominent black "Alec Baldwin" that I've never heard of.

24 posted on 12/07/2011 7:27:45 PM PST by boop (I hate hippies and dopeheads. Just hate them. ...Ernest Borgnine)
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To: presidio9
 
"I KNOW BUT ONE CODE OF MORALITY FOR MEN WHETHER ACTING SINGLY OR COLLECTIVELY"
--Thomas Jefferson
 
Got Natural Law?
 
 
Sex, Evolution and Behavior
By Martin Daly and Margo Wilson
 
 
Got Socio-Biological Fitness?
 
 "Gay" penguins don't - not even in the San Francisco zoo
http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=San+Francisco+gay+penguins
 
FAIL.

25 posted on 12/07/2011 7:30:29 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: presidio9
Sixty-seven percent of black women are college graduates as compared to just thirty-seven percent of black men.

From what orifice did he pull those numbers?

26 posted on 12/07/2011 7:38:50 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but I want a President who loves mine.)
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To: presidio9
Detroiters elected elected Charles Pugh, an openly gay television reporter, to the Detroit City Council in 2009. It was an unheard of milestone in a city that boasts a robust, black church lobby.

Was his opponent white/Republican?

27 posted on 12/07/2011 7:43:02 PM PST by Graybeard58 (Of course Obama loves his country but I want a President who loves mine.)
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To: Right Wing Assault

As far as I am concerned churches should tell their congregations how important it is to repent of sins, homosexuality is one of them..it will destroy you...


28 posted on 12/07/2011 7:43:09 PM PST by aces
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To: presidio9

Are left handed turnips utilizing bovine pulcritude to obsess over regurgitation?

Do Flemish antioxidents work in tandem with aerial concupiscence to provide lateral hemoglobin?

Do endometrical mitochondria agglomerate in odd-numbered lassitude?

Do journalists pose incredibly inane questions that nobody could ever care about in attempts to convert their own blithering ignorance into pseudo-intellectual nonsense?


29 posted on 12/07/2011 7:52:53 PM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (Madoff screwed the rich. Bernanke screwed us all.)
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To: presidio9

“There were people who said that women should not have a voice or be in the pulpit.”

Yes. One of them is the Apostle Paul writing under the inspiration of the Holy Ghost in 1 Timothy 2:11-15:

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20timothy%202:11-15&version=NKJV

“And the Bible says that you shouldn’t eat shell fish so, at the end of the day, black people should stop eating crab and shrimp and then I can hear you.”

Someone needs to inform her that black(and non-black) people can eat crab and shrimp because the Lord declared the unclean foods clean:

Mark 7:17-19

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%207:17-19&version=ESVUK

and

Acts 10:9-16

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=ACTS%2010:9-16&version=NKJV

As for the main topic of this article, the New Testament has this to say:

Romans 1:24-27

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=romans%201:24-27&version=NKJV

and

1 Corinthians 6:9-10

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20corinthians%206:9-10&version=AMP

and

1 Timothy 1:9-10

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=1%20Timothy%201:9-10&version=ESVUK

And for those who try to play the “Jesus never said anything about homosexuality” trick, He defined marriage as consisting of a male and a female in Matthew 19:4-6

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2019:4-6&version=ESVUK

And the word fornications He used in Mark 7:21

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Mark%207:21&version=NKJV

and Matthew 15:19

http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Matthew%2015:19&version=NKJV

is translated from the Greek word porneia which means among other things, illicit sexual intercourse
adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.

So black(and non-black) Christians aren’t brainwashed on this topic. We’re just following God’s inerrant Word.


30 posted on 12/07/2011 8:06:50 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: boop
"He mentions Langston Hughes and Alec Baldwin as great African American figures who lead mostly closeted lives"

That is hilarious, and big news to Alec as well I'm sure. Better tell James Baldwin that somebody is stealing his act.
31 posted on 12/07/2011 8:09:01 PM PST by AndrewB (FUBO)
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To: presidio9
“At the end of the day, discriminating against LGBT people because of your own social prejudice is just wrong,” says Sharon Lettman-Hicks.

It is just as wrong as discrimination against people that believe homosexuality is wrong. "You must accept" is the latest version of "what you believe is wrong".

32 posted on 12/07/2011 9:49:25 PM PST by MortMan (Americans are a people increasingly separated by our connectivity.)
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To: Smokin' Joe

Dangit! Something else ruined....

Tell me about it. Henry was so upset when Bradley showed him this box that it left him speechless.

Thank you. I'm here all week. Remember to tip your waitress.

33 posted on 12/07/2011 10:10:17 PM PST by presidio9 (Islam is as Islam does.)
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To: presidio9

So, is the homosexual lobby insinuating that all religious people are weak-minded and easily influenced, or just black, religious people?


34 posted on 12/07/2011 10:50:22 PM PST by Washi
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To: presidio9

” Alec Baldwin as great African American figures “?????


35 posted on 12/08/2011 6:57:55 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: presidio9

the entire article is premised on the mating behavior being as immutable as skin color.


36 posted on 12/08/2011 7:03:29 AM PST by longtermmemmory (VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
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To: presidio9
"And the Bible says that you shouldn’t eat shell fish so, at the end of the day, black people should stop eating crab and shrimp and then I can hear you.”"

Evidently these protesters haven't read their Bible in context or entirety -- they skipped out a significant portion of Acts of the Apostles I see...

37 posted on 12/08/2011 7:04:31 AM PST by Cronos (Nuke Mecca and Medina now..)
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To: presidio9
Unfortunately, whatever their personal feelings, Black Americans are supporting "gay rights" by voting for Democrats.

Democrat Presidents appoint liberal federal judges . . . "gay rights."

I hope they're happy.

38 posted on 12/08/2011 8:15:33 AM PST by Zionist Conspirator (Ki-hagoy vehamamlakhah 'asher lo'-ya`avdukh yove'du; vehagoyim charov yecheravu.)
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To: Attention Surplus Disorder

LOL. I think I might love you.

“Bovine pulcritude” indeed.

You just made my day.


39 posted on 12/08/2011 10:58:40 AM PST by Conservaliberty (25 and conservative. I guess I have no heart, Oh, well, makes shooting the bad guys easier.)
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To: Venturer
It looks like the queers will now start directing their agenda towards the Church. Sick bastards.

The homo-left apparently are incredulous at the thought of someone having a religious belief.

40 posted on 12/08/2011 11:55:35 AM PST by Sans-Culotte ( Pray for Obama- Psalm 109:8)
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To: Cronos
” Alec Baldwin as great African American figures “?????

You noticed that too? I think the writer of this article has been watching too much TV and reading too little. James Baldwin, the black writer, would probably not be offended by this if he were still alive, but it would be nice if Alec Baldwin would exile himself like James Baldwin did.

41 posted on 12/08/2011 12:57:56 PM PST by Waryone
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