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EPA Claim Fracking Caused Wy. Water Contamination
|Dow Jones Newswires ^ | Thursday, December 08, 2011 | Ryan Tracy|

Posted on 12/08/2011 8:33:02 PM PST by Rabin

The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said Thursday that chemicals found in Wyoming drinking water were likely associated with hydraulic fracturing in natural gas wells in the area, raising tensions in an ongoing debate over the drilling practice.

(Excerpt) Read more at rigzone.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: epa; fracking; shale
Shale has just handed EPA a hammer. Wonder what they will do with it.

Rab

1 posted on 12/08/2011 8:33:07 PM PST by Rabin
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To: Rabin

The EPA is a rogue agency and their mission is to destroy this country.


2 posted on 12/08/2011 8:35:10 PM PST by DManA
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To: Rabin

Except the wells weren’t tested for the same stuff before the fracking.


3 posted on 12/08/2011 8:38:30 PM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: Rabin

FUEPA!


4 posted on 12/08/2011 8:38:43 PM PST by Old Sarge (RIP FReeper Skyraider (1930-2011) - You Are Missed)
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To: thackney

Ping.


5 posted on 12/08/2011 8:40:29 PM PST by Army Air Corps (Four fried chickens and a coke)
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To: Rabin

Getting rid of the EPA won’t do anything until we rewrite the Endangered Species Act, Clean Water Act, and Clean Air Act to allow more for more stringent scientific standards and bring business to equal footing with the environment in making regulations.


6 posted on 12/08/2011 8:43:47 PM PST by Free Vulcan (Vote Republican! You can vote Democrat when you're dead.)
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To: Rabin

There are some risks to drilling. That said, I support drilling to make us energy independent.

I do not support taking those risks to water etc so that drillers can liquefy and ship our gas and resources to China. We need to keep the price of energy low for American consumers and business, so that we can compete with global manufacturing and business. Maximizing the profits of drillers at USA expense I do not support.


7 posted on 12/08/2011 8:43:54 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: Rabin

Questions not posed nor answered:

1. How old are the gas wells in the area?
2. Is there surface casing through the fresh water zone?
3. How were they completed? Is the annular space between the pipe and the rock wall cemented? Were have geophysical logs been run to verify cement placement?
4. Has an integrity test been performed on the well to identify any casing leaks.
5. When was the hydraulic fracturing performed and are details on pressure, additives, etc. available?

Once having those answers there then could be serious discussion as to possible impact from hydraulic fracturing.


8 posted on 12/08/2011 8:45:25 PM PST by CedarDave
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To: apoliticalone
You don't understand how it works.

If we ship lots of energy products to other countries, the world price is forced down resulting in cheaper energy whether we get it from here or over seas.

That said, it certainly makes more sense for us to use our own and ship the surplus, if we can get to the surplus stage.

In either case, since we are the world's greatest user, the world price would fall when the biggest customer stops buying overseas.

But more than that, energy is a national security issue, one of several national security issues obummer has screwed up.

9 posted on 12/08/2011 8:51:57 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Rabin

This government is intent on destroying our nation. We have no steel industry. We have no farming industry. And they are going to see to it that we’ll have no oil industry. Small businesses are also going down the tube.

A FReeper said in a post 2 years ago concerning how Mexicans who can afford it are girding themselves for “days of terror,”:

“Poor America. So far from God and so close to Mexico.”

Oh, that millions of people in our nation would turn to God! What is it going to take?


10 posted on 12/08/2011 8:58:12 PM PST by TurkeyLurkey
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To: Rabin

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2011/09/07/halliburton-cfo-new-fracking-fluid-tastes-like-beer/


11 posted on 12/08/2011 9:01:48 PM PST by CIDKauf (No man has a good enough memory to be a successful liar.)
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To: Rabin

A good time to invest in GASFRAC-a small Canadian company that uses liquid propane instead of water to Frac


12 posted on 12/08/2011 9:21:13 PM PST by Antioch (Benedikt Gott Geschickt)
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To: CedarDave

Sacajaweau’s (POST 3), direction. All, spot on.

R


13 posted on 12/08/2011 9:52:14 PM PST by Rabin
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To: CedarDave

Sacajaweau’s (post 3), direction. All 5, spot on.

R


14 posted on 12/08/2011 9:57:12 PM PST by Rabin
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To: CedarDave

Fracking Fluid Fear-Mongering Farce

http://www.americanthinker.com/2011/08/fracking_fluid_fear-mongering_farce.html


15 posted on 12/08/2011 10:25:10 PM PST by DaveTesla (You can fool some of the people some of the time......)
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To: CedarDave
You must have spent a few years in the oilfield as you ask the right questions. I worked the rigs for 17 years. We were fracing back in 1966 when I started working in the oilfields. In 1966 is was not a new procedure.

The environazis have only become interested in fracing in relationship to shale gas, oil and light liquids. The technique of fracing the shale source rock has opened up a vast new horizon for the production of energy that will last many years.

Fracing is not new. What is new is fracing the shale source rock. When the enviromentalist realized what a huge increase in gases, oil, and distillates this would produce is when they started demonizing fracing.

The whole issue is not about ground water contamination which is minimal even with bad techniques. The issue is about keeping the USA hobbled by our lack of development of our huge energy sources in this nation.

The envirometalists are not patriots and by and large they are socialists and Marxists. Their objective is the destruction of our nation and capitalism.

16 posted on 12/08/2011 10:32:38 PM PST by cpdiii (Deckhand, Roughneck, Mud Man, Geologist, Pilot, Pharmacist. THE CONSTITUTION IS WORTH DYING FOR!)
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To: Rabin

Sounds like they are preparing the playing field. Too bad, that they are going to be cut loose in less than a year...

Maybe they can get jobs pumping gas.


17 posted on 12/08/2011 10:32:38 PM PST by The Antiyuppie ("When small men cast long shadows, then it is very late in the day.")
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To: cpdiii
When the enviromentalist realized what a huge increase in gases, oil, and distillates this would produce is when they started demonizing fracing.

Don't blame the environmentalists entirely. They're not smart enough to recognize what you said here. They're nothing more than useful idiots for the people who fund them, or the people who seek to control the supply of energy commodities.
18 posted on 12/08/2011 10:43:54 PM PST by nonamer
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To: cpdiii
When the enviromentalist realized what a huge increase in gases, oil, and distillates this would produce is when they started demonizing fracing.

Don't blame the environmentalists entirely. They're not smart enough to recognize what you said here by themselves. They're nothing more than useful idiots for the people who fund them, or the people who seek to control the supply of energy commodities.
19 posted on 12/08/2011 10:44:20 PM PST by nonamer
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To: Rabin

EPA has admitted they’ve never found a contaminated well.

Until now.

Fancy that. Just as the anti-frackers are becoming more shrill the EPA just happens to hit paydirt with a contaminiated well.

Right. Now tell me the EPA themselves didn’t contaminate it to get the results that they wanted. Just like the DOJ was planning on sneaking guns into Mexico so the Obama administration could create new gun laws using the havoc THEY CREATED as the basis to restrict 2d Amendment rights.

This administration is the most anti-American, anti-freedom administration in our history.


20 posted on 12/08/2011 10:50:40 PM PST by VeniVidiVici ("Si, se gimme!")
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To: VeniVidiVici
I read somewhere these wells are shallower than 2000 ft.

We run surface casing past that.

21 posted on 12/08/2011 10:54:30 PM PST by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: CedarDave

“...likely associated with hydraulic fracturing...”

Science!


22 posted on 12/08/2011 10:59:43 PM PST by SaxxonWoods (....The days are long, but the years are short.....)
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To: Rabin

>>Wonder what they will do with it.

Most likely something that involves demanding from some according to their ability, and giving to others according to their need. As usual.

BOHICA.


23 posted on 12/09/2011 3:34:49 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: old curmudgeon

“We” who? The same manipulative Royal Oligarchs who’ve corrupted the global economic infrastructure for their amoral hedonistic amusement?

NO SALE.


24 posted on 12/09/2011 3:37:57 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: VeniVidiVici; Carry_Okie
[the EPA just happens to hit paydirt with a contaminiated well.]

Uhuh.  No doubt the ensuing regulatory facade will conveniently further bankrupt any truly AMERICAN endeavors to develop OUR resources; and it will primarily benefit the usual NyLon scum who've been fracking America from within since long before Guss Hall and other Useful Idiots endowed them with the benefits rendered by the EPA...

 

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The Game Statistics

So, who are these guys at the NRDC? Well, it’s an interesting list.

Natural Resources Defense Council Board of Trustees

Chairman

Frederick A. O. Schwartz, Jr.

Partner, Cravath Swaine & Moore; (a British Law Firm) Former New York City Corporation Counsel (under Mayor Ed Koch)

Executive Director

Frances Beinecke

Co-founder, The New York League of Conservation Voters (with RFK Jr.)

Trustee

Laurance Rockefeller

Private philanthropist; Former Chairman, Rockefeller Brothers Fund; Former chairman, Citizens Advisory Committee on Environmental Quality; Trustee, the Laurance Rockefeller Charitable Trust

Trustee

Thomas A. Troyer

Partner, Caplin & Drysdale; Former Chairman, the Foundation Lawyers’ Group; Former member of the IRS Commissioner’s Advisory Group on Tax-exempt Organizations; (no conflict of interest there?) Board member, the Carnegie Corporation of New York

Pres & Co-founder

John H. Adams

Former Assistant US Attorney (New York)

Vice Chair

Adam Albright

Board member, Redefining Progress; Board Chair, Population Communications International; Program Chair, Conservation International

Vice Chair

Alan Horn

Chairman & Chief Operating Officer, Warner Brothers

Vice Chair

Burks Lapham

Chairman, Concern Inc.; Director, Chesapeake Bay Foundation (a relatively benign group)

Vice Chair

George Woodwell

Founding Director, Woods Hole Research Center; Co-founder, Environmental Defense Fund (they banned DDT, Alar, etc.)

Co-founder & Treas

Richard E. Ayres

Partner, Howrey & Simon; Former Chairman, National Clean Air Coalition

Trustee

Patricia Bauman

Member, Pew Environmental Health Commission; Former Manager, National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences; Co-Director, The Bauman Foundation

Trustee

William Richardson

Former US Secretary of Energy; Former US Ambassador to the United Nations; Former US Congressman (D-NM)

Trustee

Michael Finnegan

Managing Partner, J.P Morgan Securities

Is this "Natural Resources" defense, or natural resource SUPPLIERS defense?
Now, let’s look at who gives the NRDC money, shall we?

Top Funders of NRDC

Funder

Total Donated

Comments

Descriptions in bold are major energy investors

Pew Charitable Trusts

$11,568,000.00

Sunoco money

Blue Moon Fund

$7,818,735.00

This is W. Alton Jones Money (Citgo)

Energy Foundation

$6,965,000.00

Launched by The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, The Pew Charitable Trusts, and The Rockefeller Foundation. The Joyce Mertz-Gilmore Foundation joined as a funding partner in 1996, and The McKnight Foundation joined in 1998. In 1999, The David and Lucile Packard Foundation joined to support two programs: the U.S. Clean Energy Program (now the Climate Program) and the China Sustainable Energy Program. In 2002, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation joined to support advanced technology transportation and clean energy for the West.

John D. & Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation

$5,636,500.00

Bankers Life and Casualty money (investment portfolio unknown)

U.S. Environmental Protection Agency

$4,681,097.00

Your tax dollars at work subsidizing the interests of whom?

Turner Foundation

$3,795,167.00

CNN, and a lot more

Public Welfare Foundation

$3,500,000.00

Too confounded to determine

Joyce Foundation

$3,309,445.00

Timber Wealth

Charles Stewart Mott Foundation

$3,022,340.00

General Motors

Ford Foundation

$2,733,300.00

Ford

Beinecke Foundation

$2,150,000.00

Major player at Yale.

J. M. Kaplan Fund

$2,057,500.00

William Bingham Foundation

$1,995,000.00

Homeland Foundation

$1,733,000.00

San Francisco Foundation

$1,654,739.00

Rockefeller Brothers Fund

$1,377,510.00

Them again

McKnight Foundation

$1,365,500.00

Robert Sterling Clark Foundation

$1,310,000.00

Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation

$1,310,000.00

Bauman Family Foundation

$1,226,000.00

Nathan Cummings Foundation

$1,220,000.00

Educational Foundation of America

$1,210,000.00

Richard & Rhoda Goldman Fund

$1,205,000.00

Mertz Gilmore Foundation

$1,201,000.00

Carnegie Corporation of New York

$1,200,000.00

Park Foundation

$1,198,010.00

New York Community Trust

$1,186,821.00

Overbrook Foundation

$1,182,585.00

Surdna Foundation

$1,147,000.00

Bullitt Foundation

$1,122,675.00

William & Flora Hewlett Foundation

$1,075,000.00

Note also the participation with the Energy Foundation

Quod erat demonstratum.
Most, if not all of these people at NRDC are energy investors. As individuals, they would not possess the financial wherewithal to so completely manipulate a market, finance selectively sufficient misleading or outright fraudulent data, and coordinate the timing of political action, nationwide. Together however, they have the political clout to combine federal money with their own tax-exempt "charitable" donations to fund lawsuits that manipulate access to resources, control processing of energy feed-stocks, and set attainment targets and process specifications in a manner preferential to their investments. ALL of the resulting capital gains in their trusts are tax-exempt. In any other universe, that’s interstate racketeering, fraud, conspiracy, and tax evasion, all of which are federal felonies.
You may be surprised to find the Hewlett and Packard fortunes listed as energy investors, but they gave over $130 million to Stanford to research extraction of methane hydrates and are directly tied in with Exxon/Mobil in that effort to the tune of $300 million more. “Keeping it in the family” they've put Lynn Orr, husband of Susan Packard, in charge of the global energy project. The idea is that they can use the energy revenues and the carbon credits for removing a principal source of atmospheric methane, a powerful greenhouse gas. Unfortunately, the cost of marine operations is so high they need “carbon credits” to subsidize it or this will be a big loser of an investment. Curiously, if they disturb those nodules foolishly, they may end up releasing a great deal of methane to the surface which would release the gases into the atmosphere. What happens if they screw up? Can they be sued?

NRDC can’t be sued. Clinton EO 12986 indemnified them from such lawsuits as members in good standing at the IUCN, the United Nations' equivalent of the EPA. Nobody sued the NRDC for the cleanup costs of MTBE even though it contaminated drinking water wells across the State. Well it gets worse. Guess who is now making big moves in forcing State control of private and small municipal water supplies now that the groundwater has been poisoned for ten years? Yup, the NRDC.

http://www.wildergarten.com/wp_pages/articles/nrdc_energy_racketeering.html

 

Nothing to see there, moooove along.

With kudos as usual to FReeper Cary Okie.

25 posted on 12/09/2011 4:00:12 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: CedarDave

http://www.statesman.com/news/texas/inhofe-asks-epa-about-pavillion-and-fracking-2019167.html


26 posted on 12/09/2011 4:55:36 AM PST by Sacajaweau
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To: LomanBill

Another catchy turn of words that means nothing and adds absolutely nothing to the understanding of economics.

Natural resources, especially energy resources, are a source of wealth. To get the advantages of that wealth, they must be developed. Where and to whom you sell them makes some difference but does not alter the basic fact that they must be sold in order to gain wealth.

If our politicians do not have the smarts to work with the Canadians, they are going to sell it somewhere else.

What is the first thing any of us do when we need money? We sell something. Some of us sell our labor, some our timber, some our manufactured products and some our farm crops, just to name a few sources of income.

And some, in politics, sell their souls.

To say that selling our oil overseas is immoral is the same thing as to tell our farmers that they should not sell soybeans on the world market.


27 posted on 12/09/2011 5:32:23 AM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: CedarDave

The linked article said the shallowest gas wells were 1600 feet. Nobody fracs at that shallow a depth; had to be old traditional wells.


28 posted on 12/09/2011 5:35:16 AM PST by jdsteel (Give me freedom, not more government.)
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To: Sacajaweau
From your link:

Drilling has been going on in the Pavillion area for more than 40 years.

Well construction and completion practices have improved considerably in 40 years. Environmental concerns rate high in any oilfield activity today. Contamination is much more likely to come from a casing leak or poor cementing practices than from a one-time frac job.

One environmentalist said pinpointing fracking as the cause of contamination there has been difficult in part because petroleum companies in years past didn't publicly disclose the chemicals they pumped underground.

I call BS. Chemicals injected in the past, together with naturally occurring natural gas constituents (benzenes, toluene, xylenes, naphthalenes, etc.) would make their way into the groundwater in the event of a casing leak or poor cementing as mentioned above. Again, the presence of frac chemicals in groundwater does NOT mean that hydraulic fracturing caused them to be there.

29 posted on 12/09/2011 6:58:32 AM PST by CedarDave
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To: LomanBill
“We” who? The same manipulative Royal Oligarchs who’ve corrupted the global economic infrastructure for their amoral hedonistic amusement?

I like that. The new world economy where government czars aid and abet the oligarchs, and global crony capitalism reigns supreme with a Russian style economy. A few win big, most of us become the saps who lose. It's about cronyism, connections and corruption, and not transparent open markets, competence and risk reward.

30 posted on 12/09/2011 6:59:28 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: TurkeyLurkey
Oh, that millions of people in our nation would turn to God! What is it going to take?

A work of God?

I understand that some folks are relying on the Gospel According to Charles Finney to magically erase the consequences of rebellion and wickedness - that somehow an emotional appeal to avoiding temporal destruction is an artificial replication of the Great Awakening. But it is profane to act as if God is a talisman who moves to perfect our material comfort.

Stated another way, We are just as likely to Christianize America as Lot was able to Christianize Sodom.

When I mean Christianize, I am labeling a variant Western culture that has an equal or greater footing in society as atheism, Islam and secularism. Setting up creches, commencement prayers, and "God We Trust" on our currency is Christianizing the culture, but does nothing for one's position with God.

People talk about a Judeo/Christian ethic, as if it is a positive thing, but Judeo/Christian is the ultimate in oxymoron. Religious Jews, by definition, hate Jesus Christ and are against anything truly of the Kingdom of God. Therefore a "Judeo/Christian ethic" has nothing to do with the soul changing attributes, but has everything to do with outward appearances, temporary false piety, and social/cultural habits.

As in DL Moody's revivals, they were the cultural equivalence of a sugar buzz, a tent revival is the same as scoffing down a one pound bag of M&Ms. During the sugar spike, there is all kinds of energy and enthusiasm, immediately followed by the emotional/glucose drop and we are back to where we were before - and sometimes much worse.

How do you know that we aren't in God's End Game?

31 posted on 12/09/2011 7:05:28 AM PST by The Theophilus (Obama's Key to win 2012: Ban Haloperidol)
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To: Rabin

I think I’d demand a second opinion. I wouldn’t trust the EPA to accurately describe the phase of the moon.


32 posted on 12/09/2011 7:34:09 AM PST by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Rabin; Abathar; thackney

MY theory is that some enviro-whack-jobs got some fracking chemicals and dumped/pumped them into the ground water system so they could be ‘discovered’ by the EPA Stasi...........


33 posted on 12/09/2011 8:10:23 AM PST by Red Badger (Every child should have a meadow to play in..............)
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To: Red Badger; Army Air Corps
This field is rather unique in that decades ago, they actually did hydraulic fracturing IN the drinking water Aquifer rather than thousands of feet below it.

- - - - - - - - -

The agency also stressed that the findings are unique to Pavillion, where fracturing has taken place both in and below the drinking water aquifer and very close to drinking water wells — conditions that are not common elsewhere in the U.S. The region has been home to oil and gas drilling since the 1950s, and some of the 169 gas production wells in the area were fractured at points just 1,220 feet below the ground.

By contrast, in South Texas, energy companies are extracting natural gas from the Eagle Ford shale formation at depths ranging from 4,000 to 14,000 feet below the surface.

http://fuelfix.com/blog/2011/12/08/epa-says-hydraulic-fracturing-polluted-groundwater/

34 posted on 12/09/2011 8:21:11 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Red Badger; Army Air Corps
Note also the following from the Rig Zone Article:

The latest test results came from two wells that EPA itself constructed, and which reached to depths of about 775 and 970 feet, deeper than other private water wells in the area. It detected levels of benzene, a carcinogen, that exceeded safe drinking water standards as well as synthetic chemicals--glycols and alcohols--used in hydraulic fracturing fluid.

They didn't find those chemicals in people's water wells. They dug extra deep wells below where people were getting their water and found chemicals at the lower depths, not a health hazaard at the drinking water depth.

35 posted on 12/09/2011 8:26:44 AM PST by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: old curmudgeon
But more than that, energy is a national security issue, one of several national security issues obummer has screwed up.

I don't disagree there, but I'd expand national security to much more than energy. Self sufficiency is what national security is about and we've had 40 years where 536 paid members of government (give or take some of both parties) have worked to destroy our self sufficiency with their one way trade pacts that resulted in the destruction of the USA manufacturing base. They allowed open access to the USA while our products were closed off from access by the exporting countries. It was a one way street. Their job was to maintain policies that promoted a strong US economy (tariffs, etc) and instead they sold us out.

36 posted on 12/09/2011 8:51:56 AM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: apoliticalone

I was using energy as an example because it is something everyone is dependent upon.

As for other industries, you don’t need to sell me on that.

I made a very good living for many years selling heavy equipment to an industry that has all gone to the Orient leaving me with no customers.

My industry was just one of many, some of which we would truly be up the creek if a war or some other devastating event were to take place.

DC is full of very impractical people.


37 posted on 12/09/2011 3:40:27 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: Rabin
Shale has just handed EPA a hammer.

I would put nothing past this supremely politicized EPA, including falsifying the tests. In a Saul Alinsky world there are no lies, only tactics.

I never used to think conspiratorially like this but the Climategate emails--which are nothing less than conspirators speaking frankly about their manipulations of their data for political purposes--have changed my thinking.

38 posted on 12/09/2011 3:53:35 PM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: old curmudgeon

How’s that A$$paper digestin’ these days Wiley?

NyLon thieves sold lots of that overseas too.

FAIL.


39 posted on 12/09/2011 5:50:55 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: old curmudgeon

[What is the first thing any of us do when we need money? We sell something. ]

Uhuh. And COMMERCE BETWEEN MASTER AND SLAVE IS [still] DESPOTISM.

Frack that.


40 posted on 12/09/2011 5:54:35 PM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: LomanBill

I have no idea what that is about.


41 posted on 12/09/2011 9:45:50 PM PST by old curmudgeon
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To: old curmudgeon; apoliticalone

>>I have no idea

Obviously.

You have no idea about the fraud riddled asset backed securities that were deliberately manufactured ala the housing bubble - culminating in the systemic corruption and poisoning of the global economic infrastructure.

http://www.google.com/#sclient=psy-ab&hl=en&source=hp&q=Asspaper+Asset+Backed+Securities

Graduate from the Alan Greenspan School of Ostriches for facilitation of Economic Fraud did you?

 

Wile E Curmudgeon, Suuuper Genius.

FAIL

Tell us, Wile, how would you differentiate the type of economic interaction you bleat about and praise - from the activities of a prostitute who whores and squanders their God-given gifts toward the satisfaction of amoral appetites?


42 posted on 12/10/2011 6:19:46 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: apoliticalone
 It's about cronyism, connections and corruption, and not transparent open markets, competence and risk reward.
 
IOW,
 
COMMERCE BETWEEN MASTER AND SLAVE IS DESPOTISM.
 
That is the state that collective human nature has been repetitively manipulated into throughout history.  
 
 
Except for that time when....
 

...AND FOR THE SUPPORT OF THIS DECLARATION,

WITH A FIRM RELIANCE ON THE PROTECTION OF DIVINE PROVIDENCE,

WE MUTUALLY PLEDGE

OUR LIVES,

OUR FORTUNES,

AND OUR SACRED HONOR.

43 posted on 12/10/2011 6:54:08 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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To: The Theophilus; TurkeyLurkey
A work of God?
 
Read the writting on the wall...
 

Are we agreed it's worth conserving?
 
Not surprising the "fiscal" conservative Log Cabin  branch of the GeeOpie doesn't like to mention that little Godly Jeffersonian historical tidbit.
 
Frack them, and the fabulously interior decorated rainbow RINO jackwagon they rode in on.
 
 
 

44 posted on 12/10/2011 7:17:10 AM PST by LomanBill (Animals! The DemocRats blew up the windmill with an Acorn!)
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