Skip to comments.EPA Claim Fracking Caused Wy. Water Contamination
Posted on 12/08/2011 8:33:02 PM PST by Rabin
The U.S. Environmental Protection Agency said Thursday that chemicals found in Wyoming drinking water were likely associated with hydraulic fracturing in natural gas wells in the area, raising tensions in an ongoing debate over the drilling practice.
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The EPA is a rogue agency and their mission is to destroy this country.
Except the wells weren’t tested for the same stuff before the fracking.
Getting rid of the EPA won’t do anything until we rewrite the Endangered Species Act, Clean Water Act, and Clean Air Act to allow more for more stringent scientific standards and bring business to equal footing with the environment in making regulations.
There are some risks to drilling. That said, I support drilling to make us energy independent.
I do not support taking those risks to water etc so that drillers can liquefy and ship our gas and resources to China. We need to keep the price of energy low for American consumers and business, so that we can compete with global manufacturing and business. Maximizing the profits of drillers at USA expense I do not support.
Questions not posed nor answered:
1. How old are the gas wells in the area?
2. Is there surface casing through the fresh water zone?
3. How were they completed? Is the annular space between the pipe and the rock wall cemented? Were have geophysical logs been run to verify cement placement?
4. Has an integrity test been performed on the well to identify any casing leaks.
5. When was the hydraulic fracturing performed and are details on pressure, additives, etc. available?
Once having those answers there then could be serious discussion as to possible impact from hydraulic fracturing.
If we ship lots of energy products to other countries, the world price is forced down resulting in cheaper energy whether we get it from here or over seas.
That said, it certainly makes more sense for us to use our own and ship the surplus, if we can get to the surplus stage.
In either case, since we are the world's greatest user, the world price would fall when the biggest customer stops buying overseas.
But more than that, energy is a national security issue, one of several national security issues obummer has screwed up.
This government is intent on destroying our nation. We have no steel industry. We have no farming industry. And they are going to see to it that we’ll have no oil industry. Small businesses are also going down the tube.
A FReeper said in a post 2 years ago concerning how Mexicans who can afford it are girding themselves for “days of terror,”:
“Poor America. So far from God and so close to Mexico.”
Oh, that millions of people in our nation would turn to God! What is it going to take?
A good time to invest in GASFRAC-a small Canadian company that uses liquid propane instead of water to Frac
Sacajaweau’s (POST 3), direction. All, spot on.
Sacajaweau’s (post 3), direction. All 5, spot on.
Fracking Fluid Fear-Mongering Farce
The environazis have only become interested in fracing in relationship to shale gas, oil and light liquids. The technique of fracing the shale source rock has opened up a vast new horizon for the production of energy that will last many years.
Fracing is not new. What is new is fracing the shale source rock. When the enviromentalist realized what a huge increase in gases, oil, and distillates this would produce is when they started demonizing fracing.
The whole issue is not about ground water contamination which is minimal even with bad techniques. The issue is about keeping the USA hobbled by our lack of development of our huge energy sources in this nation.
The envirometalists are not patriots and by and large they are socialists and Marxists. Their objective is the destruction of our nation and capitalism.
Sounds like they are preparing the playing field. Too bad, that they are going to be cut loose in less than a year...
Maybe they can get jobs pumping gas.
EPA has admitted they’ve never found a contaminated well.
Fancy that. Just as the anti-frackers are becoming more shrill the EPA just happens to hit paydirt with a contaminiated well.
Right. Now tell me the EPA themselves didn’t contaminate it to get the results that they wanted. Just like the DOJ was planning on sneaking guns into Mexico so the Obama administration could create new gun laws using the havoc THEY CREATED as the basis to restrict 2d Amendment rights.
This administration is the most anti-American, anti-freedom administration in our history.
We run surface casing past that.
“...likely associated with hydraulic fracturing...”
>>Wonder what they will do with it.
Most likely something that involves demanding from some according to their ability, and giving to others according to their need. As usual.
“We” who? The same manipulative Royal Oligarchs who’ve corrupted the global economic infrastructure for their amoral hedonistic amusement?
Uhuh. No doubt the ensuing regulatory facade will conveniently further bankrupt any truly AMERICAN endeavors to develop OUR resources; and it will primarily benefit the usual NyLon scum who've been fracking America from within since long before Guss Hall and other Useful Idiots endowed them with the benefits rendered by the EPA...
The Game StatisticsSo, who are these guys at the NRDC? Well, its an interesting list.
Natural Resources Defense Council Board of Trustees
Frederick A. O. Schwartz, Jr.
Partner, Cravath Swaine & Moore; (a British Law Firm) Former New York City Corporation Counsel (under Mayor Ed Koch)
Co-founder, The New York League of Conservation Voters (with RFK Jr.)
Private philanthropist; Former Chairman, Rockefeller Brothers Fund; Former chairman, Citizens Advisory Committee on Environmental Quality; Trustee, the Laurance Rockefeller Charitable Trust
Thomas A. Troyer
Partner, Caplin & Drysdale; Former Chairman, the Foundation Lawyers Group; Former member of the IRS Commissioners Advisory Group on Tax-exempt Organizations; (no conflict of interest there?) Board member, the Carnegie Corporation of New York
Pres & Co-founder
John H. Adams
Former Assistant US Attorney (New York)
Board member, Redefining Progress; Board Chair, Population Communications International; Program Chair, Conservation International
Chairman & Chief Operating Officer, Warner Brothers
Chairman, Concern Inc.; Director, Chesapeake Bay Foundation (a relatively benign group)
Founding Director, Woods Hole Research Center; Co-founder, Environmental Defense Fund (they banned DDT, Alar, etc.)
Co-founder & Treas
Richard E. Ayres
Partner, Howrey & Simon; Former Chairman, National Clean Air Coalition
Member, Pew Environmental Health Commission; Former Manager, National Institute for Environmental Health Sciences; Co-Director, The Bauman Foundation
Former US Secretary of Energy; Former US Ambassador to the United Nations; Former US Congressman (D-NM)
Managing Partner, J.P Morgan SecuritiesIs this "Natural Resources" defense, or natural resource SUPPLIERS defense?Now, lets look at who gives the NRDC money, shall we?
Top Funders of NRDC
Descriptions in bold are major energy investors
Pew Charitable Trusts
Blue Moon Fund
This is W. Alton Jones Money (Citgo)
Launched by The John D. and Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation, The Pew Charitable Trusts, and The Rockefeller Foundation. The Joyce Mertz-Gilmore Foundation joined as a funding partner in 1996, and The McKnight Foundation joined in 1998. In 1999, The David and Lucile Packard Foundation joined to support two programs: the U.S. Clean Energy Program (now the Climate Program) and the China Sustainable Energy Program. In 2002, the William and Flora Hewlett Foundation joined to support advanced technology transportation and clean energy for the West.
John D. & Catherine T. MacArthur Foundation
Bankers Life and Casualty money (investment portfolio unknown)
U.S. Environmental Protection Agency
Your tax dollars at work subsidizing the interests of whom?
CNN, and a lot more
Public Welfare Foundation
Too confounded to determine
Charles Stewart Mott Foundation
Major player at Yale.
J. M. Kaplan Fund
William Bingham Foundation
San Francisco Foundation
Rockefeller Brothers Fund
Robert Sterling Clark Foundation
Geraldine R. Dodge Foundation
Bauman Family Foundation
Nathan Cummings Foundation
Educational Foundation of America
Richard & Rhoda Goldman Fund
Mertz Gilmore Foundation
Carnegie Corporation of New York
New York Community Trust
William & Flora Hewlett Foundation
Note also the participation with the Energy FoundationQuod erat demonstratum.Most, if not all of these people at NRDC are energy investors. As individuals, they would not possess the financial wherewithal to so completely manipulate a market, finance selectively sufficient misleading or outright fraudulent data, and coordinate the timing of political action, nationwide. Together however, they have the political clout to combine federal money with their own tax-exempt "charitable" donations to fund lawsuits that manipulate access to resources, control processing of energy feed-stocks, and set attainment targets and process specifications in a manner preferential to their investments. ALL of the resulting capital gains in their trusts are tax-exempt. In any other universe, thats interstate racketeering, fraud, conspiracy, and tax evasion, all of which are federal felonies.You may be surprised to find the Hewlett and Packard fortunes listed as energy investors, but they gave over $130 million to Stanford to research extraction of methane hydrates and are directly tied in with Exxon/Mobil in that effort to the tune of $300 million more. Keeping it in the family they've put Lynn Orr, husband of Susan Packard, in charge of the global energy project. The idea is that they can use the energy revenues and the carbon credits for removing a principal source of atmospheric methane, a powerful greenhouse gas. Unfortunately, the cost of marine operations is so high they need carbon credits to subsidize it or this will be a big loser of an investment. Curiously, if they disturb those nodules foolishly, they may end up releasing a great deal of methane to the surface which would release the gases into the atmosphere. What happens if they screw up? Can they be sued?
NRDC cant be sued. Clinton EO 12986 indemnified them from such lawsuits as members in good standing at the IUCN, the United Nations' equivalent of the EPA. Nobody sued the NRDC for the cleanup costs of MTBE even though it contaminated drinking water wells across the State. Well it gets worse. Guess who is now making big moves in forcing State control of private and small municipal water supplies now that the groundwater has been poisoned for ten years? Yup, the NRDC.
Nothing to see there, moooove along.
With kudos as usual to FReeper Cary Okie.
Another catchy turn of words that means nothing and adds absolutely nothing to the understanding of economics.
Natural resources, especially energy resources, are a source of wealth. To get the advantages of that wealth, they must be developed. Where and to whom you sell them makes some difference but does not alter the basic fact that they must be sold in order to gain wealth.
If our politicians do not have the smarts to work with the Canadians, they are going to sell it somewhere else.
What is the first thing any of us do when we need money? We sell something. Some of us sell our labor, some our timber, some our manufactured products and some our farm crops, just to name a few sources of income.
And some, in politics, sell their souls.
To say that selling our oil overseas is immoral is the same thing as to tell our farmers that they should not sell soybeans on the world market.
The linked article said the shallowest gas wells were 1600 feet. Nobody fracs at that shallow a depth; had to be old traditional wells.
Drilling has been going on in the Pavillion area for more than 40 years.
Well construction and completion practices have improved considerably in 40 years. Environmental concerns rate high in any oilfield activity today. Contamination is much more likely to come from a casing leak or poor cementing practices than from a one-time frac job.
One environmentalist said pinpointing fracking as the cause of contamination there has been difficult in part because petroleum companies in years past didn't publicly disclose the chemicals they pumped underground.
I call BS. Chemicals injected in the past, together with naturally occurring natural gas constituents (benzenes, toluene, xylenes, naphthalenes, etc.) would make their way into the groundwater in the event of a casing leak or poor cementing as mentioned above. Again, the presence of frac chemicals in groundwater does NOT mean that hydraulic fracturing caused them to be there.
I like that. The new world economy where government czars aid and abet the oligarchs, and global crony capitalism reigns supreme with a Russian style economy. A few win big, most of us become the saps who lose. It's about cronyism, connections and corruption, and not transparent open markets, competence and risk reward.
Oh, that millions of people in our nation would turn to God! What is it going to take?
A work of God?
I understand that some folks are relying on the Gospel According to Charles Finney to magically erase the consequences of rebellion and wickedness - that somehow an emotional appeal to avoiding temporal destruction is an artificial replication of the Great Awakening. But it is profane to act as if God is a talisman who moves to perfect our material comfort.
Stated another way, We are just as likely to Christianize America as Lot was able to Christianize Sodom.
When I mean Christianize, I am labeling a variant Western culture that has an equal or greater footing in society as atheism, Islam and secularism. Setting up creches, commencement prayers, and "God We Trust" on our currency is Christianizing the culture, but does nothing for one's position with God.
People talk about a Judeo/Christian ethic, as if it is a positive thing, but Judeo/Christian is the ultimate in oxymoron. Religious Jews, by definition, hate Jesus Christ and are against anything truly of the Kingdom of God. Therefore a "Judeo/Christian ethic" has nothing to do with the soul changing attributes, but has everything to do with outward appearances, temporary false piety, and social/cultural habits.
As in DL Moody's revivals, they were the cultural equivalence of a sugar buzz, a tent revival is the same as scoffing down a one pound bag of M&Ms. During the sugar spike, there is all kinds of energy and enthusiasm, immediately followed by the emotional/glucose drop and we are back to where we were before - and sometimes much worse.
How do you know that we aren't in God's End Game?
I think I’d demand a second opinion. I wouldn’t trust the EPA to accurately describe the phase of the moon.
MY theory is that some enviro-whack-jobs got some fracking chemicals and dumped/pumped them into the ground water system so they could be ‘discovered’ by the EPA Stasi...........
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The agency also stressed that the findings are unique to Pavillion, where fracturing has taken place both in and below the drinking water aquifer and very close to drinking water wells conditions that are not common elsewhere in the U.S. The region has been home to oil and gas drilling since the 1950s, and some of the 169 gas production wells in the area were fractured at points just 1,220 feet below the ground.
By contrast, in South Texas, energy companies are extracting natural gas from the Eagle Ford shale formation at depths ranging from 4,000 to 14,000 feet below the surface.
The latest test results came from two wells that EPA itself constructed, and which reached to depths of about 775 and 970 feet, deeper than other private water wells in the area. It detected levels of benzene, a carcinogen, that exceeded safe drinking water standards as well as synthetic chemicals--glycols and alcohols--used in hydraulic fracturing fluid.
They didn't find those chemicals in people's water wells. They dug extra deep wells below where people were getting their water and found chemicals at the lower depths, not a health hazaard at the drinking water depth.
I don't disagree there, but I'd expand national security to much more than energy. Self sufficiency is what national security is about and we've had 40 years where 536 paid members of government (give or take some of both parties) have worked to destroy our self sufficiency with their one way trade pacts that resulted in the destruction of the USA manufacturing base. They allowed open access to the USA while our products were closed off from access by the exporting countries. It was a one way street. Their job was to maintain policies that promoted a strong US economy (tariffs, etc) and instead they sold us out.
I was using energy as an example because it is something everyone is dependent upon.
As for other industries, you don’t need to sell me on that.
I made a very good living for many years selling heavy equipment to an industry that has all gone to the Orient leaving me with no customers.
My industry was just one of many, some of which we would truly be up the creek if a war or some other devastating event were to take place.
DC is full of very impractical people.
I would put nothing past this supremely politicized EPA, including falsifying the tests. In a Saul Alinsky world there are no lies, only tactics.
I never used to think conspiratorially like this but the Climategate emails--which are nothing less than conspirators speaking frankly about their manipulations of their data for political purposes--have changed my thinking.
How’s that A$$paper digestin’ these days Wiley?
NyLon thieves sold lots of that overseas too.
[What is the first thing any of us do when we need money? We sell something. ]
Uhuh. And COMMERCE BETWEEN MASTER AND SLAVE IS [still] DESPOTISM.
I have no idea what that is about.
>>I have no idea
You have no idea about the fraud riddled asset backed securities that were deliberately manufactured ala the housing bubble - culminating in the systemic corruption and poisoning of the global economic infrastructure.
Graduate from the Alan Greenspan School of Ostriches for facilitation of Economic Fraud did you?
Wile E Curmudgeon, Suuuper Genius.
Tell us, Wile, how would you differentiate the type of economic interaction you bleat about and praise - from the activities of a prostitute who whores and squanders their God-given gifts toward the satisfaction of amoral appetites?
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